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Check out @VolvoTrucks’s Tweet: twitter.com/VolvoTrucks/status/ … 22016?s=09 This is what they have for shunting it is early days so let’s see what happens

It could work in a few places but it is definitely a specialised bit of kit. Probably won’t have mass appeal.

Don’t these ■■■■■ understand, that if you replace just about every worker with a robot, that there won’t be anybody left earning money to buy the ■■■■ that the robots make■■?

the nodding donkey:
Don’t these [zb] understand, that if you replace just about every worker with a robot, that there won’t be anybody left earning money to buy the [zb] that the robots make■■?

Think its just one of those things.

We cant push ourselves forward if don’t improve on things constantly and then adapt.
telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 … rsity-one/
interesting article that shows what jobs are at risk of automation.

I have no doubt that when the industrial revolution began people feared for jobs as well.

It’s impressive alright, and I could see it shunting in the immediate future, still think it’s a long way from being on a road though.

I’m unsure about job replacement and I don’t think that just because the industrial revolution happened and new jobs were made, that it automatically translates to the technological revolution that we are seeing. I’ve read a couple of books by ‘experts’ and since none of them can decide and can write convincingly for both sides of the coin, I’ll continue to have reservations.

It only wants a pair of cartoon type arms with gloves on to sort out the susies and landing legs itself and it’s away!

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Dozy might actually get home on a Friday if there aren’t any planners to argue with.

I’d imagine the cost for the complete set up on this will be astronomical,also instead of the shunter wouldn’t they need an operator to oversee the computer side of things so it’s not saving on staff costs and also as most big depots run 24/7 now they’d need at least 2 of them assuming they will need to be charged at some point,not forgetting the companies would still need an old fashioned diesel tug & human shunter on standby in case something went wrong with the technology…
Don’t think they’ll flog many.

When shunters are replaced by autonomous tugs, who will shout at us when we get in their way?

Where does the trailer manager sit when he’s not doing the suzies?? Will these just hook up to a trailer do a tug test then notify them the trailer is ready to be pulled? When it gets to where the trailer is to be dropped will it be able to stop if someone feels the need to walk behind the trailer?
Presumably it will need someone to reapply the parking brakes on the trailer??

And it’s ridiculously slow :laughing:
How many trailer moves a day would that manage at a big RDC like Nisa Scunny where they have bays on each side of the building ?!

Shunters replaced by robots? I just broke out into a cold sweat! Oh god! If they get one of those at our place, management will find out we do f.a.

I’ll have to sit at home on the dole watching YouTube. Brothers, we must band together to sabotage this evil :smiling_imp:

Trailer manager :laughing:

Well I wish Volvo all the best…MY ARE .
How would Mr Volvo like it if I put him out of work and on the dole .
It’s a fact that ‘white collar’ middle class workers are now finding their jobs under threat in the near future because they will be replaced by robots.
It is also a fact that 20% of workers in Silicon Valley USA will be replaced by robots within a few years .
How the hell is the world going to function when we are all out of work .
Are these smart Ar
es as smart as they think.

ytrehodluap:
Where does the trailer manager sit when he’s not doing the suzies?? Will these just hook up to a trailer do a tug test then notify them the trailer is ready to be pulled? When it gets to where the trailer is to be dropped will it be able to stop if someone feels the need to walk behind the trailer?
Presumably it will need someone to reapply the parking brakes on the trailer??

That was my thought too. No sign of any suzies. We saw the thing go under and we saw the thing pulling a trailer, but not the bit in between. Is there an electronic link between the two to release the brakes? Where does the air pressure come from? Does it need a specialised trailer to be able to work?

Lot of negatively towards it. :stuck_out_tongue:

The suzies seems irrelevant to me and I think a few of you guys are just pointing out petty flaws in it. If they can design a machine that can drive trailers around itself I am sure they can implement a system to connect a few air/elec lines…

Techonogly and innovation pushes the human race forward. You may have to adapt when change comes but I don’t think change will be a bad thing.
This change though will be a gradual thing and will not happen in the next 10 years and possibly not even in the next 20.
I just done a quick search on indeed and there are tons of basic no qualification needed data entry jobs advertised. Companies have been able to automate this job before but they haven’t along with a load of similar jobs. Us truck drivers will not be the first to get hit when the age of automation comes.

The real question is.
Who will be our John Connor? :laughing: :laughing:

Seriously though is this what sailors were saying when they saw aeroplanes for the first time?

The 60 year old Scammel system connected brakes and lights. Aircraft connect fuel lines for air/air refuelling.
As Adam says, the connections are minor details.

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the nodding donkey:
Don’t these [zb] understand, that if you replace just about every worker with a robot, that there won’t be anybody left earning money to buy the [zb] that the robots make■■?

That argument has been repeated endlessly since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. All that has happened is that a new technology has created more jobs in different sectors. For example when the internal combustion engine saw off horse and cart it resulted in more people being employed in transportation than before doing everything from engineering jobs involved in making the parts to petrol stations pumping fuel and garages to service the vehicles with some of those jobs, for example petrol station staff, never existing prior to its invention and widespread use.

Despite increased automation 2018 has seen the highest number of people in employment in our nation’s history with almost historical low levels of unemployment.

This is fantastic. I don’t know how they would operate it practically - but there is nothing I can see which couldn’t be easily engineered around.

Lack of someone to plug in air lines. All you need is a working shunt button - and then a simple motor to activate it attached to the shunt button. The same for putting the parking break back on. You could control that using something as simple as a rasberri pi - but in reality, they will have something more complicated and sophisticated lined up. You could reverse engineer this into existing trailers for very little. I honestly could do this myself for less than £100. I don’t see shunters playing with legs - they simply lift the trailer - this could do the same thing.

In terms of how will you know if something is walking behind it. Well, that’s rather simple - they will only be reversing onto bays. So all you need to have is some sort of sensor around the bays communicating with it. The same system that works wirelessly with the trailer brake and shunt buttons. Or even more simple - you have a rule that no one enters the live area of the yard unless they are all shut down. Which you could do with a push of a button.

And the nice thing about this - it’s actually intelligent logistics. Rather than waiting for hours to be tipped. You put the trailer in the correct place. Pick up an empty and then forget about it. It will only work in certain circumstances but it will work. This is the future guys - and I think it’s fantastic.

People will still need to be employed - this isn’t going to be a driverless environment. But in 10 years time you won’t see shunters with tugs at RDC’s.

Conor:

the nodding donkey:
Don’t these [zb] understand, that if you replace just about every worker with a robot, that there won’t be anybody left earning money to buy the [zb] that the robots make■■?

That argument has been repeated endlessly since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. All that has happened is that a new technology has created more jobs in different sectors. For example when the internal combustion engine saw off horse and cart it resulted in more people being employed in transportation than before doing everything from engineering jobs involved in making the parts to petrol stations pumping fuel and garages to service the vehicles with some of those jobs, for example petrol station staff, never existing prior to its invention and widespread use.

Despite increased automation 2018 has seen the highest number of people in employment in our nation’s history with almost historical low levels of unemployment.

There are issues with the type of jobs being created though. The well paid skilled jobs are the first to be axed because it’s cost effective to do so. The lower paid jobs are left.
Technology helps us design bridges. No one has yet built a robot to clean toilets, I think you’ll find.
And we’ve only had the Industrial Revolution with us for a couple of hundred years. That is no reason to suggest it’ll be the same world (or any world!) in another century or so.
Looking at the past only shows us things change. It doesn’t show the change will be along the same tracks.
Technology providing new jobs in the past is no reason to assume it will ALWAYS do so. There is no inherent reason to assume this, is there?

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