ROG:
This is not likely to change until compulsory periodic driving assessments with advice on improvements if necessary are introducedDrivers pass a basic test and … that’s it
+1
You can certainly tell the professionals from the non professionals by their posts and their attitudes. 
I’ve only just passed my Cat C but it pains me to see people who bumble along a slip road at 40 mph and then expect anything they encounter in lane 1 to move out of the way to let them on. The slip road is there to billions up speed to safely join the carriageway, giving way to traffic already on there. I always try to be up to 60 on the slip as a minimum and then either speed up or slow down to join depending on what is nessecary.
It’s like people who have stopped on the hard shoulder, instead of getting to speed by running up the lane and joining safely they seem to think it is ok to get rolling and then bang it into lane 1
ROG:
This is not likely to change until compulsory periodic driving assessments with advice on improvements if necessary are introducedDrivers pass a basic test and … that’s it
I agree but the government could help by providing educational advertising, they’ve done it for bikers cyclists and drink drivers so why not use the same techniques to try to educate people about something that is an obvious problem on motorways and duel carriageways.
albion1971:
You can certainly tell the professionals from the non professionals by their posts and their attitudes.
I maybe entitled to use the middle lane but that doesn’t mean I have too.
Being forced to use it to avoid billy no balls I drive a truck is a different matter! 
ROG:
This is not likely to change until compulsory periodic driving assessments with advice on improvements if necessary are introducedDrivers pass a basic test and … that’s it :shock:
A basic test that doesn’t include any practical motorway driving.
I get the same thing, had heavy traffic trying to join and heavy traffic in the second lane. Still got a kid in a saxo try and merge into the side of me. When he had to slam the brakes on he decided this was all my fault… flashing, beeping and swearing at me…it’s annoying
I’ve also broke my neck to pull out only to have them floor it at the last minute to get in front making me look a right ■■■■■
The issue is they are on taught how to pass a basic test.They have never been taught to join a fast moving road safely or the proper rules of giving way to traffic on the main carrageway.
It wont change until the test and learning parts are changed to include dual carriage ways and motorways.How many times have you seen someone driving down the hard shoulder trying to get on to the motorway because they did not give way in busy traffic.
Colin_scottish:
The issue is they are on taught how to pass a basic test.They have never been taught to join a fast moving road safely or the proper rules of giving way to traffic on the main carrageway.It wont change until the test and learning parts are changed to include dual carriage ways and motorways.How many times have you seen someone driving down the hard shoulder trying to get on to the motorway because they did not give way in busy traffic.
They have been taught like every driver on the road only some learn and some do their own thing. Every driver that has passed a basic car test and basic LGV test has been taught how to drive on a duel carriageway and a motorway.
Maybe not all practically but certainly in theory. Every driver should know the highway code whch explains exactly how to join a motorway etc.
The problem is drivers pass basic tests and do not bother to learn anymore hence we have numpties that do not have a clue.
Non professional drivers do not help the issue any infact probably make it worse by having the attitude…I am right, you are wrong…I will do my best not to help.
albion1971:
Colin_scottish:
The issue is they are on taught how to pass a basic test.They have never been taught to join a fast moving road safely or the proper rules of giving way to traffic on the main carrageway.It wont change until the test and learning parts are changed to include dual carriage ways and motorways.How many times have you seen someone driving down the hard shoulder trying to get on to the motorway because they did not give way in busy traffic.
They have been taught like every driver on the road only some learn and some do their own thing. Every driver that has passed a basic car test and basic LGV test has been taught how to drive on a duel carriageway and a motorway.
Maybe not all practically but certainly in theory. Every driver should know the highway code whch explains exactly how to join a motorway etc.The problem is drivers pass basic tests and do not bother to learn anymore hence we have numpties that do not have a clue.
Non professional drivers do not help the issue any infact probably make it worse by having the attitude…I am right, you are wrong…I will do my best not to help.
I fully understand what you are saying i feel new drivers in cars or hgv should have a lot more time on motorways.It should happen but it wont because it will then come down to the cost and time.
I think some drivers a set in there ways on the road and it wont change.Must be the attitiude of i must get in front and thats one other problem.
I’ve been getting that this week with the A3 exiting traffic joining the Clockwise M25 at J10… The on-slip is real-easy. It goes into a new 1st lane (of four now) - so there’s no need for any difficulty joining at all.
I’m coming past the junction, already on the M25 clockwise, waiting the joiner to either let me get back over to the left, or pull into L2 behind me, so I can also get out of their way to the left.
Nope. The buggers just want to undertake me at 56.000001 mph on the inside lane, leaving me high and dry in L2 with a VOSA car flanking me in L3, seeing this apparent lane hogger to his left FFS. 
Colin_scottish:
albion1971:
Colin_scottish:
The issue is they are on taught how to pass a basic test.They have never been taught to join a fast moving road safely or the proper rules of giving way to traffic on the main carrageway.It wont change until the test and learning parts are changed to include dual carriage ways and motorways.How many times have you seen someone driving down the hard shoulder trying to get on to the motorway because they did not give way in busy traffic.
They have been taught like every driver on the road only some learn and some do their own thing. Every driver that has passed a basic car test and basic LGV test has been taught how to drive on a duel carriageway and a motorway.
Maybe not all practically but certainly in theory. Every driver should know the highway code whch explains exactly how to join a motorway etc.The problem is drivers pass basic tests and do not bother to learn anymore hence we have numpties that do not have a clue.
Non professional drivers do not help the issue any infact probably make it worse by having the attitude…I am right, you are wrong…I will do my best not to help.I fully understand what you are saying i feel new drivers in cars or hgv should have a lot more time on motorways.It should happen but it wont because it will then come down to the cost and time.
I think some drivers a set in there ways on the road and it wont change.Must be the attitiude of i must get in front and thats one other problem.
Yes you are quite correct but it’s not just the new drivers that are to blame.
Unfortunately some older drivers are worse.
Complacency bad habits and bad attitude all contribute.
We seem to be getting closer to an unwritten rule of over take either side which might work in rare cases.But is more often a case of blocking left hand lane changes and with those inside lane entry slip layouts being one of the worst examples.As for lane discipline it is really irrelevant and possibly dangerous in that environment.In which case either the law needs to enforce the rule of overtake on the right only or forget all about the rule of lane discipline.
Winseer:
I’ve been getting that this week with the A3 exiting traffic joining the Clockwise M25 at J10… The on-slip is real-easy. It goes into a new 1st lane (of four now) - so there’s no need for any difficulty joining at all.
I’m coming past the junction, already on the M25 clockwise, waiting the joiner to either let me get back over to the left, or pull into L2 behind me, so I can also get out of their way to the left.Nope. The buggers just want to undertake me at 56.000001 mph on the inside lane, leaving me high and dry in L2 with a VOSA car flanking me in L3, seeing this apparent lane hogger to his left FFS.
Your being to nice mate, making life easy for them.
These days there seems to be so many ■■■■ bags with no clue that I now don’t bother.
99% of the time if I am nice (maybe I’m in a good mood cause its Friday) and move over for the muppets, they do the same as above and leave you hanging out to dry. They then disappear into the distance with out so much as a hand up.
Now, the only time I bother is if its another truck that wants to join as I know that he’ll know what he’s bloody doing.
The rest can go **** em selves! 
I love the evil look from the passenger when the car joining doesn’t make it to speed so has to slam on the anchors before ducking behind.
Seggons:
If in doubt, just pull out…
I’ve not seen anyone else say it so I will, that lorry driver is a fupping idiot. How the hell did he manage to create such a disaster out of an easily avoided situation?
switchlogic:
Seggons:
If in doubt, just pull out…I’ve not seen anyone else say it so I will, that lorry driver is a fupping idiot. How the hell did he manage to create such a disaster out of an easily avoided situation?
Funnily enough, I thought that hitting her up the arse would have been far more preferable!
Heat of the moment and everything else though and it turns out differently.
Speaking from experience my automatic reaction was to turn the wheel a tad.- vid110.photobucket.com/albums/n9 … bkh0e6.mp4
Just the sort of driver I am talking about in the video but according to Gembo you can trust all truck drivers as you know what they will do.
Why do so many take the wrong actions? Exactly like a said. Bad attitude and completely non professional.
albion1971:
Just the sort of driver I am talking about in the video but according to Gembo you can trust all truck drivers as you know what they will do.Why do so many take the wrong actions? Exactly like a said. Bad attitude and completely non professional.
What ‘bad attitude’? 
Why should I have to keep making allowances for other peoples ■■■■ poor driving standards?
Should I therefore adjust my speed for some muppet on a slip road do you suggest?
I don’t think so.
I gota say, 9 times out of 10, truck drivers down this end of the world are pretty good and are gents.
Sure, you get the odd bad one but its fairly rare down here in Devon / Cornwall.
albion1971:
Just the sort of driver I am talking about in the video but according to Gembo you can trust all truck drivers as you know what they will do.Why do so many take the wrong actions? Exactly like a said. Bad attitude and completely non professional.
I didn’t see much fault with Gembo’s incident. I thought he handled it quite nicely