Robert Haynes:
As for faults its simple. Get them to sign a letter stating it is roadworthy. If they say no it can’t be and they are not worth working for.
And be aware that just because they say yes doesn’t alter the fact that you, as the driver, remain criminally liable for driving an unroadworthy vehicle.
Robert Haynes:
If you are covering any sort of distance I think you can ask for a radio under HSE regs.
Neil, where are you? 
Wheel Nut:
Robert Haynes:
If you are covering any sort of distance I think you can ask for a radio under HSE regs.Neil, where are you?
I’m sure he’ll be along if he sees that 
tachograph:
Wheel Nut:
Robert Haynes:
If you are covering any sort of distance I think you can ask for a radio under HSE regs.Neil, where are you?
I’m sure he’ll be along if he sees that
I know nothing about H&S regulations, and have no wish to know anything about them, so have no idea whether that is factual or not.
Does rather smell of MMTM* /Urban Myth though. 
*©
Robert Haynes:
If you are covering any sort of distance I think you can ask for a radio under HSE regs.
what complete BS.
how the hell can not having a stereo affect your health or your safety?
are you on drugs mr robert haynes?
MMTM!!! 
I worked for a company for 5 years where most didnt have radios! We asked, oh yes, but most were repeatedly nicked.
Most drivers had their own portable radios in the cabs. I still have my iRiver MP3 player (H120).
Saratoga:
I worked for a company for 5 years where most didnt have radios! We asked, oh yes, but most were repeatedly nicked.Most drivers had their own portable radios in the cabs. I still have my iRiver MP3 player
Sorted, jobs a good’n.
You listen to the stuff you like and don’t even have to listen to some Rodney dj waffling on about some uninteresting rubbish.
Unfortunately, I’m still addicted to the audio books and the radio 4 and 2 comedy shows that are loaded on my MP3 player.
One day I shall escape such things and move onto, er, um, normal stuff
If a vehicle I take out at work has problems on it that I don’t know about it until later; where do I stand in law with this?
For example, if I get stopped by Vosa? Is this where they issue notices and stuff?
Having reported said fault, if I assume that the fault has been fixed and take that vehicle again, say, a fortnight later and the problem developed again, what is your point of views of this.
Once you’ve given me some replies 
I’ll scrape some of the mud away 
This particular vehicles’ fault reporting sheet is apparently missing, and there are several reports off this particular error. The truck is still roadworthy to a degree. Having spoken to management today I have refused to take that vehicle has been fixed but the response was “well, someone else will take it” 
Thanks for reading
It would really depend on the fault, If it was a fault that would cause the vehicle to fail an MOT or inspection then it should not be on the road until the fault is rectified. If it was just the air conditioning or heated mirrors that were not working then these are a nuisence to the driver but are not stopping the vehicle being road worthy.
I have refused to take out vehicles that I have felt were not safe, but have had many a moan about wagons with radios not working etc. Really we need more info on the fault to give better answers.
Also when VOSA go through the records they do it in style, When I was a TM I had a 6.5t loose something out of a back door, a cop car was following with a VOSA guy on board, He issued the prohibition notice, and also told me i had to get the vehicle recovered as he would not let it be driven, All that had happend was the rear door catch had broken, but we were not allowed just to strap it up. We then had to get it recovered to a garage, they had to fix the catch (all of about 20 min work) then we had to wait a week to get it re MOT’d. After that VOSA paid us a visit to inspect our records. The guy was very thorough, but I have to say the company I was working for were very hot on paperwork, so all tachos were there etc, the only thing he found was 1 vehicle inspection was 3 days late and that had been 15 months prior to his inspection, but he was considering taking us to court over it.
smcaul:
It would really depend on the fault, If it was a fault that would cause the vehicle to fail an MOT or inspection then it should not be on the road until the fault is rectified. If it was just the air conditioning or heated mirrors that were not working then these are a nuisence to the driver but are not stopping the vehicle being road worthy.I have refused to take out vehicles that I have felt were not safe, but have had many a moan about wagons with radios not working etc. Really we need more info on the fault to give better answers.
Ok, the vehicle in question it seems may have a faulty tacho. It was reported to the engineer some time ago (more than a month) and had been reported that the needle was sticking at the top speed of the time, until the head was removed and put back in.
So if you’re doing 70 and you slow to 50 the needle will stay on 70 unless you remove the head to reset it.
I’ve told management I won’t drive it and think it’s got some bearing on my being flashed on the A14 last week It’s still being used.
Most if not all the trucks of 7.5t spec or below don’t have radios, 24v (ciggy, accessorie, etc) socket and very often no way to lock the cab. Some of the issues with trucks are being dealt with as I spoke to the MD last week and also my next-inline manager. The faults are written in the fault book, so we do have a written record…
Ok, so the things that would cause the truck not to go out? Is there a list or is it just the things that would affect the driving, handling and braking safely rather than things like radio, heating, air-con (not on our trucks!) and heated electric mirrors (sorry, what are they?!)
What about things like windscreen squirty thingies not working? 
Ask about article 16 E.C.38121/85.
In the event of a breakdown or faulty operation of the equipment the employer shall have it repaired by an approved fitter or workshop as soon as circumstances permit.
You could also phone VOSA, they will not ask for your details there number is here…vosa.gov.uk/vosa/vosalocatio … eareas.htm
smeserver:
Ok, so the things that would cause the truck not to go out? Is there a list or is it just the things that would affect the driving, handling and braking safely rather than things like radio, heating, air-con (not on our trucks!) and heated electric mirrors (sorry, what are they?!)What about things like windscreen squirty thingies
There is a list, but I’ve no idea where to find it.
Some of the things would be,
windscreen squirty thingies not working (washers? ), wipers too - restricted vision.
Lights not working, especially headlights, tail/brake lights and indicators.
Obviously anything which adversly affects braking, steering and general handling needs to be checked by a mechanic.
Heating not working wouldn’t be a fault which would put a vehicle off the road, but would you take a wagon out in this day n age without it? Also, you can become less attentive to your driving due to the effects of cold.
Radio or air-con being in-op’ wouldn’t be a VOR fault either. My phone has a built in radio, unfortunately even my phone doesn’t have air-con .
Although you are the driver and ultimately responsible for using the vehicle, you cannot put a vehicle off the road. You can inform your boss that you think a fault makes a vehicle un-roadworthy, he can tell you to get it checked out by his mechanic and if the mechanic says it is roadworthy and signs it off that way, you will have to take it out, even if its only down to your nearest dealer mechanic. You can refuse to take it out, of course, but be prepared to be sent home without pay.
Thanks Simon
Cheers
The TC will expect to see some sort of defect reporting. They prefer Nil Defect reports which put the onus on; Guess who, Yes, YOU
If there is a defect and you dont mark it on the sheet, that is down to you. Even if there is a slight defect for a week, write it down everyday in the defect book, also make sure the office are aware with every phone call.
Its called pester power
Just pick up any copy of a commercial motor and read the legal pages, VOSA and the TC have much more power than the magistrates courts
DEFECTS. When you have to drive a vehicle and after checking it
out find that you have some problems, What type of defect is it
ie. a lightbulb.or a broken mirror you can fix your self, but what if
upon driveing away and you test the brakes they pull unevenly. or the
steering wheel judders+shakes this is for me a reason to stay in the yard
and get it repaired straight away, If the problem is not one which
involves the deterioration of any safety point ,and would not be considered
a GV9 by the VOSA Then write two reports 1 for the traficmanager and
the second as a copy for you, when giveing the 1st copy up get them to
sign ,date, with your firms stamp on it this will prove that you have
done your part towards better reporting and if a problem occours
you have written proof as to what action you had taken,
brit pete:
DEFECTS. When you have to drive a vehicle and after checking it out find that you have some problems, What type of defect is itie. a lightbulb. or a broken mirror you can fix your self, but what if upon driving away and you test the brakes they pull unevenly, or the steering wheel judders+shakes this is for me a reason to stay in the yard and get it repaired straight away
I’d say that this was a safety issue, as it could cause you to skid and/or spin under heavy (emergency) braking. i.e. someone cuts you up, you have to brake hard, and that causes you to spin/jacknife.
Yes mate you are right, it is a safety fault but you must first have had
this fault show its self and you must do a check on your brakes
which shows on your tacho,to do this you have to be doing 25kmh
to show on the tacho. When this fault then occours can you act to
ensure that the fault is fixed straight away.