So I pull into the trailer park with 4 hours and 27 minutes driving time and 5 minutes working time left. The problem is I have about 10 minutes of extra work (and a few minutes of driving) to do, fueling up etc but am now in the stupid situation of having to take 45 minutes break just to do 10 minutes extra. I just want to go home.
Panick:
So I pull into the trailer park with 4 hours and 27 minutes driving time and 5 minutes working time left. The problem is I have about 10 minutes of extra work (and a few minutes of driving) to do, fueling up etc but am now in the stupid situation of having to take 45 minutes break just to do 10 minutes extra. I just want to go home.
just go over and take print out and write on it why as your back at base or take card out as you’re allowed some leeway
I wouldn’t take another 45 for just 10mins
No one else would actually take that 45min. Card out as you drive through the gate.
Your in your yard. Card out, simple
mrginge:
No one else would actually take that 45min. Card out as you drive through the gate.
I would be eating dinner at home by the end of the 45 
Panick:
So I pull into the trailer park with 4 hours and 27 minutes driving time and 5 minutes working time left. The problem is I have about 10 minutes of extra work (and a few minutes of driving) to do, fueling up etc but am now in the stupid situation of having to take 45 minutes break just to do 10 minutes extra. I just want to go home.
I aint the biggest fan of the ott side of some tacho rules either mate, but I usually use the common sense rule in these situations. So I say.
Do I sit for 45 mins with my finger up my arse, or do I bend a rule (that I can not get a painful death sentence for bending anyway) fuel up and ■■■■ off home 
No brainer, as I said, Common Sense.
robroy:
Panick:
So I pull into the trailer park with 4 hours and 27 minutes driving time and 5 minutes working time left. The problem is I have about 10 minutes of extra work (and a few minutes of driving) to do, fueling up etc but am now in the stupid situation of having to take 45 minutes break just to do 10 minutes extra. I just want to go home.I aint the biggest fan of the ott side of some tacho rules either mate, but I usually use the common sense rule in these situations. So I say.
Do I sit for 45 mins with my finger up my arse, or do I bend a rule (that I can not get a painful death sentence for bending anyway) fuel up and [zb] off home
ok so you take a 45 min break then fuel up,park the truck.who is to say your boss or fitter wants to move your truck to do a job or put an extra drop on the truck when you have left.i would pull the card and if stopped by vosa just say that you dont know about the missing mileage because you were off duty at home,this has happened to me in the past,vosa guy wanted to know why the truck had been moved over the weekend i told him that if he looked at the tyres he would see that 2 of them were new and there were not like that when i left it parked up on friday night
blue estate:
just go over and take print out and write on it why as your back at base or take card out as you’re allowed some leeway
No you’re not and do it regularly enough and you’ll see yourself being hauled in front of the TM.
I’d have just parked the truck up and gone home and worried about it on Monday or if the wagon is double shifted leave a note on the dash for the next driver. If the TM complained I’d ask them if they really wanted to pay me an extra hour just to fuel up…that’s assuming you could take a 45 because if you were at 12hr 55m with no reduced daily rests left or 14h 55m then you can’t take a 45m anyway.
Ok shoot me down in flames but it Must be a big yard ? What’s up with 15 on the pump to clear the working time and carry on with your 10 mins of other work ?
Next thing will be someone saying do I need a drivers letter of attestation because the truck was moved, first you don’t own the truck and that’s what your digi card is for to show YOUR DRIVING TIME, The mind boggles
Next thing will be someone saying do I need a drivers letter of attestation because the truck was moved, first you don’t own the truck and that’s what your digi card is for to show YOUR DRIVING TIME, The mind boggles
Da thuks a trailer park???You American?
Yeah I’m usually sensible and if I go over by the odd 10 minutes it’s OK but it seems to happen a lot so if I can avoid it I do. Also have to cross a public road to get fuel/get to the office so it’s dodgy ground if the worst was to happen.
read the bottom of page 22 and start of page 23 of this document then you can make your own mind up what to do.
Personally if it is just an occasional thing that doesn’t happen regularly then I’d leave the card in, do the bits I have to do - don’t bother with a break, print out, write down your reasons and clear off home. No worries.
As has been said you cannot be fined for an historical offence and as long as it isn’t a regular occurrence DVSA will be fine with it. Worse case is an infringement from the company or maybe some DVSA bod moaning and huffing/puffing about you being criminal of the year - but he can’t do anything about it anyway.
If you make a habit of this kind of thing then be careful as repeat offences can land you/your boss in court or in front of a TC.
I would never remove my card and hide the extra time. That would be a serious offence of creating false records whereas going over your driving time by a few minutes is a verbal warning if anything at all. I know which I’d choose. Never create false records, tell lies or try to hide things as these offences invariably end in tears.
PS - Yes the rules can seem a little stupid but thems the rules we have to work with
although the rules/law sometimes seem to go against you as in i can’t get home ,i can’t get to my favourite place to park and so on if it wasn’t for rules/law then unsavoury characters in the transport office would be forcing /blackmailing drivers to work round the clock and i’m sorry to say but spineless drivers would do it , ive seen it all before years ago and still see it today ,remember that tacho will prove you wrong but will also prove you right
scrotumscratcher:
although the rules/law sometimes seem to go against you as in i can’t get home ,i can’t get to my favourite place to park and so on if it wasn’t for rules/law then unsavoury characters in the transport office would be forcing /blackmailing drivers to work round the clock and i’m sorry to say but spineless drivers would do it , ive seen it all before years ago and still see it today ,remember that tacho will prove you wrong but will also prove you right
As I said a lot of the tacho rules do get on my ■■■■ big style, but not as much as some of the guys on here who come on these threads quoting all this ■■■■■■■■, chapter and verse like a ■■■■ religious mantra, and without a hint of irony…You know who you are ( although he hasn’t been on yet 
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(Nice to see one tacho guy on this thread being a bit more ‘real world’ btw)
However you are spot on with that comment mate, the combination of unscrupulous tm.s and drivers lacking testicles would make for havoc on the roads.
The 80s were very much ‘of their time’… ok granted we did make money out of the habitual and routine fiddling, but I do not think anybody wants to go back to those days. You could, and did, get away with it then, but today is SO different, and rightly so.
I do try and work 99.9% legal but at the same time look after no.1, and certainly do not get all… ‘time of the month’ over minor and trivial infringements, as a lot seem to do on here.instead I try and apply logic and common sense.
A few guys at work told me they would have pulled their card and carried on. Like I say, happy to stretch rules when I have to but if I can avoid breaking then I will.
Pull the card and then manual entry on the next day to account for the time, including break etc.
Best of both worlds
nightline:
Next thing will be someone saying do I need a drivers letter of attestation because the truck was moved, first you don’t own the truck and that’s what your digi card is for to show YOUR DRIVING TIME, The mind boggles
Another dumbass…
Its actually to show a record of all activity during a duty period as well as rest periods when not on duty.