One of the biggest anomalies I find in the rules is you can do an hours work followed by 4.5 hrs driving but you can’t do 4.5 hrs driving followed by an hours work. It’s written wrong.
rangechange59:
ok so you take a 45 min break then fuel up,park the truck.who is to say your boss or fitter wants to move your truck to do a job or put an extra drop on the truck when you have left.i would pull the card and if stopped by vosa just say that you dont know about the missing mileage because you were off duty at home,this has happened to me in the past,vosa guy wanted to know why the truck had been moved over the weekend i told him that if he looked at the tyres he would see that 2 of them were new and there were not like that when i left it parked up on friday night
If Vosa/DVSA/ or whatever this week, were to ask me about any truck movements and mileage malarkey over a weekend, they’d get a ’ No idea, don’t care. I wasn’t working so couldn’t care less what the truck does after I finish duty, nothing to do with me !’ answer.
Mattwoodtransport:
One of the biggest anomalies I find in the rules is you can do an hours work followed by 4.5 hrs driving but you can’t do 4.5 hrs driving followed by an hours work.
Says who?
Conor:
nightline:
Next thing will be someone saying do I need a drivers letter of attestation because the truck was moved, first you don’t own the truck and that’s what your digi card is for to show YOUR DRIVING TIME, The mind boggles
Another dumbass…
Its actually to show a record of all activity during a duty period as well as rest periods when not on duty.
So you sit at home thinking did my truck move the weekend and if it did how do I explain it to someone if I get stopped.
As I said you don’t own the truck and what happens over the weekend in nothing to do with you if your not working.
Then there’s the digi card and that tells them you were off and the last time you worked, so its up to the job to prove that.
A lot of trucks get moved over the weekend, so to take a 45 when your back a base to fuel up and move across the road, well as I said the mind boggles. How some people on here dress themselves in the morning with some of the questions asked here.
Mattwoodtransport:
One of the biggest anomalies I find in the rules is you can do an hours work followed by 4.5 hrs driving but you can’t do 4.5 hrs driving followed by an hours work. It’s written wrong.
I agree, it’s strange that the way it’s written you can wear yourself out ■■■■■■■ heavy sacks for 1.5 hours then do 4.5 hours driving, but you can’t legally do 4.5 hours driving followed by 5 minutes paperwork 
OK generally it won’t affect people but you have to wonder if anyone actually read what they wrote before sending it out as a directive.
I don’t know if it was written wrong or translated/interpreted wrong but it certainly makes no sense.
Contraflow:
Says who?
Says the regulations.
nightline:
How some people on here dress themselves in the morning with some of the questions asked here.
+1
Contraflow:
Says who?
The requirement is that 4h30 of driving must immediately be followed by a break, but if you stopped and the tacho was at 4h29 you could do some other work before starting the break.
nightline:
So you sit at home thinking did my truck move the weekend and if it did how do I explain it to someone if I get stopped.
I think he was referring to the second part of the post where you said the tacho is for recording driving time and was pointing out it is to record all duty time and the daily and weekly rests in between.
Any “driving without card” between a driver’s duty would be recorded on the vehicle and not a driver’s card and normally wouldn’t be attributed to any specific driver unless it looked suspicious. And the DVSA wouldn’t normally be interested in it unless the distances were excessive, anyway.
Glen A9:
Contraflow:
Says who?The requirement is that 4h30 of driving must immediately be followed by a break…
…from driving.
Contraflow:
Glen A9:
Contraflow:
Says who?The requirement is that 4h30 of driving must immediately be followed by a break…
…from driving.
Other work isn’t a break.
Glen A9:
Contraflow:
Glen A9:
Contraflow:
Says who?The requirement is that 4h30 of driving must immediately be followed by a break…
…from driving.
Other work isn’t a break.
No ■■■■ Sherlock.
It’s a break from driving though.
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I think he was referring to the second part of the post where you said the tacho is for recording driving time and was pointing out it is to record all duty time and the daily and weekly rests in between.
Any “driving without card” between a driver’s duty would be recorded on the vehicle and not a driver’s card and normally wouldn’t be attributed to any specific driver unless it looked suspicious. And the DVSA wouldn’t normally be interested in it unless the distances were excessive, anyway.
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At last someone who can dress themselves in the morning, common sense
Contraflow:
No [zb] Sherlock.
So what’s you point then? If the tacho is on 4h30 driving time a break must be started immediately.
I think he was referring to the second part of the post where you said the tacho is for recording driving time and was pointing out it is to record all duty time and the daily and weekly rests in between.
Any “driving without card” between a driver’s duty would be recorded on the vehicle and not a driver’s card and normally wouldn’t be attributed to any specific driver unless it looked suspicious. And the DVSA wouldn’t normally be interested in it unless the distances were excessive, anyway.
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At last someone who can dress themselves, its not about following the rule’s or not following the rules, its about common sense witch is missing here a lot if you go by the post
stop at gate…pull card…do what you want…end of. hw unimportant is it? itl never be an issue apart from a tosco type job where it would be a murder inquiry from the office,not vosa.id have a set of cards for mainland,and another set for ireland.anytime the questions asked about the hundreds of missing miles between cards then the answers always…dont know,dont care,talk to the owner.no idea…his probem,not mine.the cards your looking at are ok as there well fiddled,and byebye.
nightline:
Then there’s the digi card and that tells them you were off and the last time you worked, so its up to the job to prove that.
A lot of trucks get moved over the weekend, so to take a 45 when your back a base to fuel up and move across the road, well as I said the mind boggles. How some people on here dress themselves in the morning with some of the questions asked here.
I’d suggest you should read shep’s comments.In this case we’re dealing with the situation of a known driver who’s just removed a card/chart but a vehicle that’s kept moving.Even in the old days of analogue tachos any such discrepancy needed a water tight explanation as to the reasons as to why a chart went directly from a period of driving to a manual entry or vice versa.However it now seems that with digi tachos the vehicle will also actually record any movement that isn’t shown on the driver’s card. 
The relevant part of the regs being that offroad driving in the yard counts as driving time and its no good trying to say to the EU stapo that driving time ends as soon as you leave the public highway and go through the yard gates.In which case they’ll expect any discrepancies in that regard explained to ‘their’ satisfaction based on the idea of guilty until proven innocent. 
well i just like to run belt as much as i can to suit myself.most of the companies ive worked for also run bent and are quite happy with me and everyone else doing so…vosa know we run bent,we know that vosa know,and vosa knows that we know vosa knows,etcetc…if your on paddy ,or ni. plates,then your fair game as every time theres a weighbridge open,then its like an irish convention.definately makes life more interesting than plobbing around at 56…plod let the macodougalls away with plenty as they tend to go round in circles getting nowhere,and sometimes to a certain extent its the same over here.knowing and proving,and never the twain shall meet…then lorries need paid for you know… 
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Carryfast:
nightline:
Then there’s the digi card and that tells them you were off and the last time you worked, so its up to the job to prove that.
A lot of trucks get moved over the weekend, so to take a 45 when your back a base to fuel up and move across the road, well as I said the mind boggles. How some people on here dress themselves in the morning with some of the questions asked here.I’d suggest you should read shep’s comments.In this case we’re dealing with the situation of a known driver who’s just removed a card/chart but a vehicle that’s kept moving.Even in the old days of analogue tachos any such discrepancy needed a water tight explanation as to the reasons as to why a chart went directly from a period of driving to a manual entry or vice versa.However it now seems that with digi tachos the vehicle will also actually record any movement that isn’t shown on the driver’s card.
The relevant part of the regs being that offroad driving in the yard counts as driving time and its no good trying to say to the EU stapo that driving time ends as soon as you leave the public highway and go through the yard gates.In which case they’ll expect any discrepancies in that regard explained to ‘their’ satisfaction based on the idea of guilty until proven innocent.
Another person who cant dress themselves in the morning, Read the post its not political its common sense
nightline:
Carryfast:
nightline:
Then there’s the digi card and that tells them you were off and the last time you worked, so its up to the job to prove that.
A lot of trucks get moved over the weekend, so to take a 45 when your back a base to fuel up and move across the road, well as I said the mind boggles. How some people on here dress themselves in the morning with some of the questions asked here.I’d suggest you should read shep’s comments.In this case we’re dealing with the situation of a known driver who’s just removed a card/chart but a vehicle that’s kept moving.Even in the old days of analogue tachos any such discrepancy needed a water tight explanation as to the reasons as to why a chart went directly from a period of driving to a manual entry or vice versa.However it now seems that with digi tachos the vehicle will also actually record any movement that isn’t shown on the driver’s card.
The relevant part of the regs being that offroad driving in the yard counts as driving time and its no good trying to say to the EU stapo that driving time ends as soon as you leave the public highway and go through the yard gates.In which case they’ll expect any discrepancies in that regard explained to ‘their’ satisfaction based on the idea of guilty until proven innocent.
Another person who cant dress themselves in the morning, Read the post its not political its common sense
If I’ve read it right the OP is based on the flawed delusion of driving time ending at the yard gates.As opposed to when the vehicle is finally parked up at the end of the shift.Which seems to fit shep’s warning to me.