Unpaid work offer!?!

The Saxmachine:
Yellow pages will be next.

I typed Haulage into google maps and found numbers that way and phoned round. I counted 90 companies that have been contacted and stated that I am available to work immediately and willing to relocate etc. I have 5 applications to fill and one informal interview on Monday.

Well you obviously a lot younger than me as I would have done my yellow pages 1st then nicked my mam as her is slightly different to mine goes further south then mine then googled but that just me if you know anyone in your area who is involved with transport you could ask them if they here anything to let you know as that is how a lot of people get the job ( ok that wont work for me long story )

Also try the courier firms in your area when you out keep a look out for a van etc with a number on so you can phone them

Thanks for the advice there.

My instructor has been trying to help me out with a couple of people in the Yarmouth area and the interview I’ve got is with Tuffnells in Ipswich and it was my Uncle who’s night manager there who informed me of the job possibility.

I know I’ll get there eventually I just need to be relentless.

Saxmachine.

I don’t mean my post as a personal attack on you, indeed, I have a grudging admiration for you determination. Being the first to do it is a good idea, but I fear it will become the expected thing for people in your position to do.

Good luck fella.

It would be one thing to offer to go out with the regular driver on a couple of days to gain an understanding of how the work is done .Please lets not have drivers doing it for no payment whatsoever.If word got out in the yard the regulars would have your car torched labour rates are low you wont be popular if you reduce them further.

alamcculloch:
It would be one thing to offer to go out with the regular driver on a couple of days to gain an understanding of how the work is done

Yes, that’s how I started, aged 26, my first day ever in a truck was going with my mate for the ride in 1986 in an ERF C60, we took newsprint from Kemsley Mill to Fleet Street when newspapers were still printed there, on a roped & sheeted trailer.

We folded up the sheets in the middle of Fleet Street, I will always remember that.

But this was my mate taking me along for the ride, not a company taking me for a ride…

job centre started this wasn’t it called a job trial ? two weeks work see if the employer liked you or you liked them? if you left the work trial you lost your benefits.

what a sales pitch. spend 2 grand with me getting your licence, then i will send you round to see my mate who runs wagons, he will let you drive one for two weeks for nowt. let you go, then my next pass will do the same.
how long before someone works this out.

Harry Monk:

alamcculloch:
It would be one thing to offer to go out with the regular driver on a couple of days to gain an understanding of how the work is done

Yes, that’s how I started, aged 26, my first day ever in a truck was going with my mate for the ride in 1986 in an ERF C60, we took newsprint from Kemsley Mill to Fleet Street when newspapers were still printed there, on a roped & sheeted trailer.

Me too, in 1984, in a Ford Cargo and he even let me drive it for a while. We went from Park Royal to Atherstone and back.

Harry Monk:
But this was my mate taking me along for the ride, not a company taking me for a ride…

Same.

Seems the board is not that positive about this one. I did start my involvement in this thread by saying

As a training provider the Holy Grail would be to find a sure way to get the trainees into employment once they had passed.

If I was to offer completely free LGV courses would anyone take up the offer. Apparently not as there is no point spending valuable time getting a licence if you cannot get a job afterwards.

So why do people spend hundreds to get the licence ?

This is a massive industry with approx 400,000 drivers actively working (figures from around 2008). Every single one of them got their 1st start. I am not saying that working for nothing is the right thing. I am saying and will continue to say that offering a weeks work to prove yourself when you have absolutely nothing going for you except a 2 day old pass certificate is just 1 of many different options available.

I guarantee if any company promised a full time job with decent wages subject to you satisfying them of your ability and work ethic and you had just passed the test you would offer a week’s labour for nothing. Either that or continue watching Jeremy Kyle and Loose Women every day.

I do totally agree that training providers should not make false claims about job prospects that they cannot deliver on. I also think that if a training provider could arrange an opportunity however slim for a 1st job afterwards then that opportunity should be fully embraced.

Is any board member’s glass half full or is everyone happy to blame someone else for them not working. (Positive people only please PM me and lets see if we can get a few people working)

Keep smiling

LGVTrainer:
Seems the board is not that positive about this one. I did start my involvement in this thread by saying

As a training provider the Holy Grail would be to find a sure way to get the trainees into employment once they had passed.

If I was to offer completely free LGV courses would anyone take up the offer. Apparently not as there is no point spending valuable time getting a licence if you cannot get a job afterwards.

So why do people spend hundreds to get the licence ?

In large part because of the advertisements in tabloid newspapers suggesting that taking the LGV lessons and test is a bullet-proof way to earn £40,000 a year doing a work pattern which completely suits the applicant in an industry where you will never be unemployed.

During a recession, there are many worried people clutching a small redundancy cheque and hoping to make provision for their future. I would feel sorry for anyone who spent over £2,000 only to discover that their chance of obtaining paid work with their new licence was virtually non-existent.

I hope you explain this to anyone who enquires about lessons.

Its not easy being positive in this financial climate.Prospective drivers are competing for work with returning drivers who gave up the road to do a better job.When that dried up they have fell back on their trusty HGV licence,there are also hordes of police men and firemen who dont mind doing a wee job on their many days off.Then there are the army and terriers some joined up mainly to get their lorry licence and others have a training grant when they leave.I am sorry to say that the outlook is bleak for newbies .

Its not easy being positive in this financial climate.Prospective drivers are competing for work with returning drivers who gave up the road to do a better job.When that dried up they have fell back on their trusty HGV licence,there are also hordes of police men and firemen who dont mind doing a wee job on their many days off.Then there are the army and terriers some joined up mainly to get their lorry licence and others have a training grant when they leave.I am sorry to say that the outlook is bleak for newbies .

Harry

I am one of many providers that do not make claims of untold riches. I would say though that most candidates come on the course with a fairly clear idea of what their future holds.

Those with jobs already tend to pass then stay with their current job until they find a driving job. Of those that are unemployed we certainly give many different options for finding a job. I will say in truth that I have never suggested working for nothing but I can also say that many have found work listening to some of the “Outside the box” ideas we present.

Of course we never say their chances are “virtually non-existent” because that is not the truth. Yes we are in business but like many others we will only survive if we offer a value for money service. This does include experienced advice about getting the 1st start.

I know I am not alone in this and probably every training provider that bothers to give their time to help others on this board is much the same.

@ LGVTrainer

If you know of companies who need drivers why not just say who they are, if a company needs or is looking for drivers they will not refuse to fill those vacancies until they can get someone to work a couple of weeks for nothing because that would be business suicide.

If you prefer to only tell new drivers of the vacancies fare enough, but I still see no reason why anyone would need to work for free regardless of whether it’s for a week or a month.

Given the current economic climate no worthwhile company is going to create vacancies to give a new driver an opportunity, so if a vacancy exits with a company who are prepared to take on new drivers why not point a new driver in the direction and let him/her get paid for doing the work they’ve paid a lot of money to be trained for.

Getting people to work a few weeks for nothing seems like a good business idea for training companies but not such a good deal for the people who have invested so much money energy and hope in what they see as their future.

LGVTrainer:
Is any board member’s glass half full…

I don’t believe this is a glass half full or half empty situation. I think in this case the glass is too big.

I guess it would depend on how you value your services but as others have said it is advisable NOT to take this offer. Most companies have a system where they can take you on a months ‘trial’ to evaluate you. I would recommend you try that option for a whole host of reasons but mostly because it does not devalue you as a person with standards.

I have taken advice on this today from a few friends in different types of employment and they all agreed this was a bad bad idea.

Good Luck :wink:

whose to say this company at the end of the two weeks wont turn round with a nice small cheque,thanking the driver for having the guts and ballls to prove himself ,to not be “proud” and stubbon and be a little adventorous…
realistically theyre not going to throw the keys to him at 9 a,m monday morning and say “theyre you go drive,see you friday”…i would imagine that they will be riding shotgun with an experienced driver,learn the ropes,ask all the questions that after a while in the job seem so trivial but in the first few weeks are very confusing…
whos to say this will be no different to what you guys done for a few days,only an extended period…alot of insurance companys are asking for 2 years/must have drove for 180 days in the last year…so why would this company let him out on the open road on his own,
if it was an experienced driver of many years asking the same question then i would expect the replys that a fair few of you have given…but its not its a newly qualified driver trying to get into the industry…i dont believe theyre gong to threaten your thousands of ££££££££££££ a year jobs,
OK,worst case scenario the two weeks pass,hes shot a couple of loads,took out a lampost,missed a few timed delivery slots and let himself and the company down badly,the company say " sorry mate,you re not the man for the job",a bruised ego from the driver and also knowing hes missed a golden opportunirty to get into the industry,the company have to sort out his mess.
another scenario,he has the best two weeks of his life,drives supurb,gets amongst the work and proves himself and they let him go saying “cheers easy,whers the next one.”…how long do you think it will take to spread like wild fire that xxxxx company done this and theyre ripping newly qualified drivers off,all the trainers that speak to each other on test days giving the warnings out that said company is just trying it on.
This may turn out to be a extended period of what you guys done with your mates for a few days…when you went out with your mates health and safety was probably a pair of gloves,was there digi cards,did the trucks run at 44t,he may spend a few days in the class room…times change.
why not give this guy the backing,let him experience it for himself…then if it does turn out to be scam,dont say told you so,but warn others,let the trainers warn the students about said company…
@ saxmachine,go for it mate times change and so do companys attitudes to recruiting…give it your best shot.it may be the best thing you ve ever done,and then you might be on top $$$$$$$$$$$$ too.

good luck

andy

Can’t believe I’ve just read this post! :imp:

Working for nothing? Don’t do it for ANY reason, period. Any company that will let you are a bunch of crooks and will only ever treat you like ■■■■■■ I wouldn’t touch their wagons with a ten foot pole if that’s their attitude. They will just take, take ,take and you’ll get nothing back, especially not respect and highly unlikely a job. After your two week trial - you are still an inexperienced driver - so what then?Two more weeks at a fiver a day? Or just carry on for a couple of year s for freeuntil you’ve got the experience - then we might pay you. But more likely we’ll find another mug to do it for free - after all the company director will be able to buy a new Porsche every year if some of our drivers don’t get paid!!! Madness! :unamused:

Maybe newbies could offer to pay for the diesel as an incentive to gain experience? On the basis I put £350 worth of diesel in the tractor for two days work- I’ll be paying the company about £600 a week to employ me!!!

It’s 2011 - slave labour died out almost 200 years ago didn’t it?

I have had my licence only 14 months. Have already done work for two companies (one of them Pickfords, incl. class 1) and been paid the same rates as everyone else. How? By determination and pushing myself forward. You might as well sign on dole mate as work for nothing.

Working for nothing means only one thing. You have the word MUG across your forehead. Anyone that does it must have a serious lack of respect for themselves,and I agree with the other posts saying I wouldn’t employ someone that had worked for nothing - I’d consider them a bit soft in the head to be honest - no offence intended to anyone here.

The work is out there- just stick at it and you will eventually land a decent job - with pay at the end of the day…as it should be :laughing:

Truckulent:
Can’t believe I’ve just read this post! :imp:

Working for nothing? Don’t do it for ANY reason, period. Any company that will let you are a bunch of crooks and will only ever treat you like [zb]. I wouldn’t touch their wagons with a ten foot pole if that’s their attitude. They will just take, take ,take and you’ll get nothing back, especially not respect and highly unlikely a job. After your two week trial - you are still an inexperienced driver - so what then?Two more weeks at a fiver a day? Or just carry on for a couple of year s for freeuntil you’ve got the experience - then we might pay you. But more likely we’ll find another mug to do it for free - after all the company director will be able to buy a new Porsche every year if some of our drivers don’t get paid!!! Madness! :unamused:

Maybe newbies could offer to pay for the diesel as an incentive to gain experience? On the basis I put £350 worth of diesel in the tractor for two days work- I’ll be paying the company about £600 a week to employ me!!!

It’s 2011 - slave labour died out almost 200 years ago didn’t it?

I have had my licence only 14 months. Have already done work for two companies (one of them Pickfords, incl. class 1) and been paid the same rates as everyone else. How? By determination and pushing myself forward. You might as well sign on dole mate as work for nothing.

Working for nothing means only one thing. You have the word MUG across your forehead. Anyone that does it must have a serious lack of respect for themselves,and I agree with the other posts saying I wouldn’t employ someone that had worked for nothing - I’d consider them a bit soft in the head to be honest - no offence intended to anyone here.

The work is out there- just stick at it and you will eventually land a decent job - with pay at the end of the day…as it should be :laughing:

WOW! :open_mouth: That’s an ‘epic’ rant for a Sunday morning. :open_mouth:

clarkyboy:
whose to say this company at the end of the two weeks wont turn round with a nice small cheque,thanking the driver for having the guts and ballls to prove himself ,to not be “proud” and stubbon and be a little adventorous…

Yes right and pigs will fly, lets try to keep it real shall we :confused:

clarkyboy:
realistically theyre not going to throw the keys to him at 9 a,m monday morning and say “theyre you go drive,see you friday”…i would imagine that they will be riding shotgun with an experienced driver,learn the ropes,ask all the questions that after a while in the job seem so trivial but in the first few weeks are very confusing…

There’s nothing in the OPs post to indicate that will happen, he’s been offered two weeks work for free not two weeks training.

clarkyboy:
whos to say this will be no different to what you guys done for a few days,only an extended period…alot of insurance companys are asking for 2 years/must have drove for 180 days in the last year…so why would this company let him out on the open road on his own,

Re-read the original post there’s nothing about training, he’s been offered a possibility of two weeks work if he’s prepared to do it for free.

clarkyboy:
if it was an experienced driver of many years asking the same question then i would expect the replys that a fair few of you have given…but its not its a newly qualified driver trying to get into the industry…i dont believe theyre gong to threaten your thousands of ££££££££££££ a year jobs

When people work a week for nothing they deprive someone else of a weeks wage, it may not be an experienced driver it could and is likely to be another inexperienced driver who loses out.

clarkyboy:
OK,worst case scenario the two weeks pass,hes shot a couple of loads,took out a lampost,missed a few timed delivery slots and let himself and the company down badly,the company say " sorry mate,you re not the man for the job",a bruised ego from the driver and also knowing hes missed a golden opportunirty to get into the industry,the company have to sort out his mess.

But you was saying earlier in your post that he would probably have an experienced driver with him to keep him out of trouble :confused:

clarkyboy:
another scenario,he has the best two weeks of his life,drives supurb,gets amongst the work and proves himself and they let him go saying “cheers easy,whers the next one.”…how long do you think it will take to spread like wild fire that xxxxx company done this and theyre ripping newly qualified drivers off,all the trainers that speak to each other on test days giving the warnings out that said company is just trying it on.

This idea is being promoted by trainers because it would be a good selling point for training, how much better could it get than to be able to tell prospective trainees that you can guarantee them an opportunity of work after they pass the test.
I’m not suggesting that any of the trainers here are deliberately trying to con anyone but they do have a vested interest in promoting this idea.

clarkyboy:
This may turn out to be a extended period of what you guys done with your mates for a few days…when you went out with your mates health and safety was probably a pair of gloves,was there digi cards,did the trucks run at 44t,he may spend a few days in the class room…times change.

I think you may be misunderstanding what people have said about going out with their mates, and the idea that a company is going to let a new driver spend a couple of days in a classroom borders on the unreal.
If a company was that serious about giving a training opportunity to a new driver don’t you think they would take some time to interview prospective candidates to sort out who is likely to be worthy of the opportunity.

clarkyboy:
why not give this guy the backing,let him experience it for himself…then if it does turn out to be scam,dont say told you so,but warn others,let the trainers warn the students about said company…

I’ve already wished the guy luck regardless of what he decides to do but I can’t pretend that working for nothing is a good thing.

A possible offer of work was made on the understanding that he first does a couple of weeks work for free and the OP asked the question “How does that sound to you guys?”, many people have taken the trouble to say what we think of the idea but at the end of the day the OP has to make up his own mind.

Advise was asked for and received, it may not be the advise you would have liked to be given but nevertheless people have given their honest opinions :wink:

Let me ask you something, do you really believe that after working for free for a couple of weeks the new driver is going to be offered a job on full pay and walk away into the sunset smiling and live happily ever after ? … As the song says “only in the movies, it only happens in the movies”.

In reality what’s likely to happen is one of two things, either he will be let go and the company will try to find someone else who’s willing to work for nothing or if he does very well and the company decide to keep him on they will know he’s desperate for work and willing to be taken advantage of so they will likely offer him a job but say that they can’t yet pay him the full rate as he still needs more experience, he will then be kept on low wages for as long as he’s prepared to put up with it and in all probability given the jobs that no-one else wants to do, he will in all probability be treated like a door mat.
While he’s being treated like this another driver who is not prepared to be taken advantage of is still out of work and not earning.

Sorry to disappoint you mate but that is the reality of life today and it’s not going to change any-time soon.

Although there is such a similar thing in place along with the job centre but it is a 1 week work trial although you are allowed to keep all your benefits but this has to be agreed with said firm & job centre :unamused: