Right, I’m going to cut the crap and for the people who are going to say ‘I told you so’ I know
Today I opened my wage slip to find I have only been paid for 1 days work last week, even though I worked both Monday and Tuesday although on the Tuesday I left at about half 2 (6 hours in) now I did ask my boss if it would be okay for me to get myself to the doctors due to having sharp stomach pains and she said to me ‘Yeah it’s okay, if you’re ill there’s no use you being here’ or words to that effect. And was told if im not going in on Wednesday to phone in, Turned out I had a stomach bug and I got food poisoning from the food I had for lunch
I phoned the people I work for asking them about it today, and I was told that they won’t have paid me because I ‘walked out’ on the job and they can refuse to pay me. Even though I never ‘walked out’ in the sense of not giving a ■■■■ and packing the job in, I asked my boss if it would be okay to get myself off to the doctors for above reasons and she said it was okay. Now there are other people who have done the same thing (One of the girls who was pregnant walked out due to being sick or somewhat) and still got paid. Now she could have said no I need you here and I would have tried to manage some how that wouldn’t have been a problem. When I phoned them to let them know about me not going in on the wednesday and that I had to leave that day at about half 2 due to stomach pains he never told me that I wouldn’t be getting paid for the hours I worked that day.
Needless to say I am looking for other work, in fact I have an interview/assessment on Wednesday next week to get trained up to work in a transport office and I am looking for other work besides that. But my question is can they refuse to pay me for the hours I’ve worked although I left due to ill health. I know it wasn’t life or death but when it affects how you work and prevents you doing your job properly there isn’t much you can do. And if not is there much point me doing anything about it? Considering I’m only on £5 an hour for the sake of £30 is it worth the hassle?
All help will be appreciated, smart arse comments kept to ones self please.
Don’t let them away with it mate, you work, they pay, simple rules they should abide by. As for where you legally stand I don’t know as you hadn’t been there that long and it will be your word against theirs as to wether you had permission to go or not.
All you can do is go and speak to them BEFORE you do any more work for them and try and sort it. If they won’t budge it’s your call, but I would be looking to cover my losses if you get my meaning
Hope you get it sorted mate, 30 quid is 30 quid, they ain’t worth your time and effort but it’s principles mate
jonnytruckfest:
Right, I’m going to cut the crap and for the people who are going to say ‘I told you so’ I know
Today I opened my wage slip to find I have only been paid for 1 days work last week, even though I worked both Monday and Tuesday although on the Tuesday I left at about half 2 (6 hours in) now I did ask my boss if it would be okay for me to get myself to the doctors due to having sharp stomach pains and she said to me ‘Yeah it’s okay, if you’re ill there’s no use you being here’ or words to that effect. And was told if im not going in on Wednesday to phone in, Turned out I had a stomach bug and I got food poisoning from the food I had for lunch
I phoned the people I work for asking them about it today, and I was told that they won’t have paid me because I ‘walked out’ on the job and they can refuse to pay me. Even though I never ‘walked out’ in the sense of not giving a [zb] and packing the job in, I asked my boss if it would be okay to get myself off to the doctors for above reasons and she said it was okay. Now there are other people who have done the same thing (One of the girls who was pregnant walked out due to being sick or somewhat) and still got paid. Now she could have said no I need you here and I would have tried to manage some how that wouldn’t have been a problem. When I phoned them to let them know about me not going in on the wednesday and that I had to leave that day at about half 2 due to stomach pains he never told me that I wouldn’t be getting paid for the hours I worked that day.
Needless to say I am looking for other work, in fact I have an interview/assessment on Wednesday next week to get trained up to work in a transport office and I am looking for other work besides that. But my question is can they refuse to pay me for the hours I’ve worked although I left due to ill health. I know it wasn’t life or death but when it affects how you work and prevents you doing your job properly there isn’t much you can do. And if not is there much point me doing anything about it? Considering I’m only on £5 an hour for the sake of £30 is it worth the hassle?
All help will be appreciated, smart arse comments kept to ones self please.
Cheers
Jonny
Not sure of the contractual position you find yourself in, all I will say is coming back into this game this year after twenty years away is an eye opener. If they valued you as an employee they would have taken the oppurtunity to pay you this derisary amount. Since returning I have felt second rate about being a human being, this industry is back in the dark ages as far as equality and diversity is concerned along with trust and goodwill. I suspect that wherever you go you will be treat the same, good luck either way and try and get out if possible, take it from me once you lose the blinkered vision that goes with a long term job you will wonder why you stayed so long
I know that mate, it’s not like I intended to get food poisoning or a stomach bug (Wouldn’t surprise me if I got it from the ■■■■ hole they call a canteen!) and I would have worked it out if they said I wouldn’t be paid for the full day I start back on Tuesday so they won’t have a choice but to tell me to my face why they aren’t paying me. And I’ll be booking the Wednesday off as a holiday so they have no excuse but to pay me
Hopefully I’ll get this job in the transport office (Where I know I will have better prospects and a good chance of getting my hgv training paid for!) and I can tell these bunch of tossers to do one. For the sake of £30 its a question of is it worth the hassle. I’ll give them the chance to pay me but if not I’ll work for them until I can find another job ( A better paid one preferably!) Because I see already its the start of a slippery slope, one I don’t want to be going down!
jonnytruckfest:
Right, I’m going to cut the crap and for the people who are going to say ‘I told you so’ I know
Today I opened my wage slip to find I have only been paid for 1 days work last week, even though I worked both Monday and Tuesday although on the Tuesday I left at about half 2 (6 hours in) now I did ask my boss if it would be okay for me to get myself to the doctors due to having sharp stomach pains and she said to me ‘Yeah it’s okay, if you’re ill there’s no use you being here’ or words to that effect. And was told if im not going in on Wednesday to phone in, Turned out I had a stomach bug and I got food poisoning from the food I had for lunch
I phoned the people I work for asking them about it today, and I was told that they won’t have paid me because I ‘walked out’ on the job and they can refuse to pay me. Even though I never ‘walked out’ in the sense of not giving a [zb] and packing the job in, I asked my boss if it would be okay to get myself off to the doctors for above reasons and she said it was okay. Now there are other people who have done the same thing (One of the girls who was pregnant walked out due to being sick or somewhat) and still got paid. Now she could have said no I need you here and I would have tried to manage some how that wouldn’t have been a problem. When I phoned them to let them know about me not going in on the wednesday and that I had to leave that day at about half 2 due to stomach pains he never told me that I wouldn’t be getting paid for the hours I worked that day.
Needless to say I am looking for other work, in fact I have an interview/assessment on Wednesday next week to get trained up to work in a transport office and I am looking for other work besides that. But my question is can they refuse to pay me for the hours I’ve worked although I left due to ill health. I know it wasn’t life or death but when it affects how you work and prevents you doing your job properly there isn’t much you can do. And if not is there much point me doing anything about it? Considering I’m only on £5 an hour for the sake of £30 is it worth the hassle?
All help will be appreciated, smart arse comments kept to ones self please.
Cheers
Jonny
Not sure of the contractual position you find yourself in, all I will say is coming back into this game this year after twenty years away is an eye opener. If they valued you as an employee they would have taken the oppurtunity to pay you this derisary amount. Since returning I have felt second rate about being a human being, this industry is back in the dark ages as far as equality and diversity is concerned along with trust and goodwill. I suspect that wherever you go you will be treat the same, good luck either way and try and get out if possible, take it from me once you lose the blinkered vision that goes with a long term job you will wonder why you stayed so long
I’ve only been there 2 weeks That’s what’s the most annoying thing. I went in on the Monday in the first week after they ■■■■■■ me around saying there wasn’t any work on so it should have said I am wanting to work and not muck around. I’m just hoping the new year brings something nicer.
the working week could be monday to monday. so you might get it next week.
and don’t forget, at christmas time the admin staff leave everyone in the [zb].
it’s traditional.
You’ve been there 2 weeks and already had a sore back necessitating a change of job, a dose of the squirts necessitating an early finish and now you are expecting a days paid holiday on Wednesday. I would think the way you are going the only thing you will get if you ask for a days holiday will be your P45.
You’ve been there 2 weeks and already had a sore back necessitating a change of job, a dose of the squirts necessitating an early finish and now you are expecting a days paid holiday on Wednesday. I would think the way you are going the only thing you will get if you ask for a days holiday will be your P45.
My boss understood about the job change, there’ve been a few others that have changed jobs after me so I’m not the only person to find it a bit difficult. We take it in turns for who does the boxes, that’s fine with me because I’m not kept doing the same thing. And it was a choice of throwing up at home or throwing up at work I think I know which my employer would rather me do it at. And taking a days holiday to go to an interviews better than not turning up to work at all And it’s hardly like I’m finding the job difficult in the respect of not being able to do it I’m not work shy about the job I do, I just turn up, plod along doing the work. Take my breaks when they’re to be taken, go home at the end of it job done. Like I said I wouldn’t have left if they needed me there. But they didn’t my boss was fine in sending me home no problems. And if taking a paid holiday is my P45 then so be it, id rather work somewhere where I get paid for the work I do, not find every reason they can not to pay me
Unpaid wages & unlawfull deduction of wages can be differant things !
IIRC, you need to raise a formal grievance under your employers grievance proceedure. If this doesn’t get you what you think you are owed then you can either (1) sue them in the small claims court, or (2) take them to an employment tribunal.
The way I interpret your original post, you cannot fail to recover your 6hrs of pay.
Google “unlawfull deduction of wages” & there’s lots of respected websites to give information.
Postby commonrail » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:08 pm
hmm…this will end in tears,but it will be a valuble lesson you have learnt
When I first read this on the other thread I thought how very true!
Jonny, Go back to college, you are not ready for the world of work yet.
With the tales you’ve had to tell, you wouldn’t have lasted as long as you did if you had been working for me.
College is probably the best thing for you for the next couple of years.
Still sorry it hasn’t worked out for you though.
The work doesn’t bother me that’s the thing, it’s just things that have come up at the worst time. It’s not as though I’m slacking off at work, or cutting corners. I’ve had dealings with the warehouse manager but as many people at work have told me he’s not the nicest of people to try and get on with like anywhere you go. I’m not saying it’s a bad job just circumstances could be better, but I’m not giving up just yet. There’s no point going anywhere if you’re going to give up at the first hurdle.
Chas:
Unpaid wages & unlawfull deduction of wages can be differant things !
IIRC, you need to raise a formal grievance under your employers grievance proceedure. If this doesn’t get you what you think you are owed then you can either (1) sue them in the small claims court, or (2) take them to an employment tribunal.
The way I interpret your original post, you cannot fail to recover your 6hrs of pay.
Google “unlawfull deduction of wages” & there’s lots of respected websites to give information.
No win no fee lawyers love this kind of stuff.
Thanks for that, I’ll look into it will come in handy
jonnytruckfest:
There’s no point going anywhere if you’re going to give up at the first hurdle.
True, but on the flip side, you’re young free and single so if it’s not working, ■■■■ it off. I know I’ve said it before but it sounds like a ■■■■ hole where you’re working.
Do what OTSS said and go back to college for a bit, you really don’t seem ready for work.
jonnytruckfest:
There’s no point going anywhere if you’re going to give up at the first hurdle.
True, but on the flip side, you’re young free and single so if it’s not working, [zb] it off. I know I’ve said it before but it sounds like a [zb] hole where you’re working.
Do what OTSS said and go back to college for a bit, you really don’t seem ready for work.
That’s true and the place I’m working is okay, just the people who employ me to do the job could handle things better in my opinion. Like I could have handled a few things better but we learn from our mistakes. I wouldn’t have said leaving college to start work was a mistake, just the job I am doing was a mistake to leave college for. But I’m going to ride it out as long as I can until something better comes along. It’s too late to get back to college, but as I have said I’ve got an interview on Wednesday for another job hopefully I will get it if not I’m still in a job earning ‘enough’ money. It isn’t the best money but it’s better then what I was on at college. And with the hours I was working at college, there was no time to get a part time job even for the weekends
I really don’t understand how I am not seeming like I am ready to work? I am still getting used to the working life coming from a long stint in the education part of things. I understand I come off a bit childish at times something I doubt will never get better with age But on the most side I can hack the work side of things just circumstances could have been better as such
Jonny,
the only bit of advice i can give to you is do what you think is best. Sit back and think about it, you have lost £30 but if you go unemployed what will you lose? You can try and stop the same thing happening again. You will do what you want anyway(not meant in a horrible way but your young and sometimes you dont want to take others advice, i was sort of the same)
What i will tell you to look at is your contract, how long is your probationary period?
One time i had a very bad cold, very very very bad cold. I felt rough from the time i got up and had a banging head ache. My manager could see it(he knows how i work) but we were short staffed so i stayed for most of the day before he let me go home early.
You will more then likely be in your probationary period where they can tell you to [zb] off at the drop of a hat, no warnings.
What you have to think is what if you were the manager? You have had a lad start work for you as a first job. He has complained of a bad back after doing some manual labour so you have had to change where he works. He has had a day off sick with supposed food poisoning and is a bit of a cheeky [zb]. This same person wants a day off paid after only doing a few weeks work!
Dont be a push over but also remember who can sack you.
jonnytruckfest:
There’s no point going anywhere if you’re going to give up at the first hurdle.
True, but on the flip side, you’re young free and single so if it’s not working, [zb] it off. I know I’ve said it before but it sounds like a [zb] hole where you’re working.
Do what OTSS said and go back to college for a bit, you really don’t seem ready for work.
That’s true and the place I’m working is okay, just the people who employ me to do the job could handle things better in my opinion. Like I could have handled a few things better but we learn from our mistakes. I wouldn’t have said leaving college to start work was a mistake, just the job I am doing was a mistake to leave college for. But I’m going to ride it out as long as I can until something better comes along. It’s too late to get back to college, but as I have said I’ve got an interview on Wednesday for another job hopefully I will get it if not I’m still in a job earning ‘enough’ money. It isn’t the best money but it’s better then what I was on at college. And with the hours I was working at college, there was no time to get a part time job even for the weekends
I really don’t understand how I am not seeming like I am ready to work? I am still getting used to the working life coming from a long stint in the education part of things. I understand I come off a bit childish at times something I doubt will never get better with age But on the most side I can hack the work side of things just circumstances could have been better as such
Cheers
Jonny
Please dont give that one I did hours at college/6th form and did hours in work aswell as other work. Shop work is good for short shifts. My GF goes to uni, volunteers in a school and gets in quite a few hours in work.
I also know of a few people who have done full time work and pub work in the evenings to get in more money.
Have a read through your post Jonny, you mention management have handled things wrong, how many managers have you had to put up with? How much experience do you have compared to them?
Just things to think about
jonnytruckfest:
There’s no point going anywhere if you’re going to give up at the first hurdle.
True, but on the flip side, you’re young free and single so if it’s not working, [zb] it off. I know I’ve said it before but it sounds like a [zb] hole where you’re working.
Do what OTSS said and go back to college for a bit, you really don’t seem ready for work.
That’s true and the place I’m working is okay, just the people who employ me to do the job could handle things better in my opinion. Like I could have handled a few things better but we learn from our mistakes. I wouldn’t have said leaving college to start work was a mistake, just the job I am doing was a mistake to leave college for. But I’m going to ride it out as long as I can until something better comes along. It’s too late to get back to college, but as I have said I’ve got an interview on Wednesday for another job hopefully I will get it if not I’m still in a job earning ‘enough’ money. It isn’t the best money but it’s better then what I was on at college. And with the hours I was working at college, there was no time to get a part time job even for the weekends
I really don’t understand how I am not seeming like I am ready to work? I am still getting used to the working life coming from a long stint in the education part of things. I understand I come off a bit childish at times something I doubt will never get better with age But on the most side I can hack the work side of things just circumstances could have been better as such
Cheers
Jonny
Because, in fairness there’ll be people out there willing and able who circumstances aren’t against who could be in doing the job. Not your fault maybe, but its denfinatly not your employers fault. Look at it from their position, you start and right away complain about the work, argue with the manager then take time off, and are looking holiday days so soon as well. I’ve worked in a ■■■■■■ warehouse on ■■■■■■ money [when not driving now I get to work in the ■■■■■■ warehouse for very god money ] and they always start new min-wage pickers in pairs because guarenteed one wouldnt last a fortnight before “circumstances” were against them either with sickness, kids off school grandmothers 9th funeral whatever; and there’s that many people out there looking work that maybe someone with genuine problems got the boot but thats it - their problems, once yer in a place a year or 2 and well settled theyre usually more understanding. No reason to ■■■■ you about with wages mind you I’d be chasing that up right away and like others have said it may be down to they way wages are worked out week by week but get it sorted on your 1st day back and if they say they dont have to pay you then head for the nearest exit.
He can’t take them to a tribunal as he is less than 1 year service.
Do you have a contract or is it a contract by habit? For the sake of £30 I would speak to and ask your manager and if nothing, payroll then escalate it.
stagedriver:
He can’t take them to a tribunal as he is less than 1 year service.
For unlawfull deduction of wages you can, one of very precious little few things that don’t fall under the time in service nonsense. An employment tribunal is a court of law & IMO should be treated as a court of law & not suffer all these confusing rules & regulations that make justice seemingly imposssibly difficult for the average person.
stagedriver:
Do you have a contract or is it a contract by habit? For the sake of £30 I would speak to and ask your manager and if nothing, payroll then escalate it.
Or alternatively, raise a grievance under your empoyers grievance proceedure. . .
stagedriver:
In my old place you wouldn’t be entitled.
Other than that it’s put it down to experience…
Yep, we should all just roll over & let them tickle our tummies. £30 is £30 & £30 is a lot of money if you were paid ■■■■ hall in the first place
I’d be prepared kill a man if he stole £30 off me, would you?
I start back on Tuesday so they won’t have a choice but to tell me to my face why they aren’t paying me. And I’ll be booking the Wednesday off as a holiday so they have no excuse but to pay me 
And it’s hardly like I’m finding the job difficult in the respect of not being able to do it I’m not work shy about the job I do, I just turn up, plod along doing the work. Take my breaks when they’re to be taken, go home at the end of it job done. Like I said I wouldn’t have left if they needed me there. But they didn’t my boss was fine in sending me home no problems. And if taking a paid holiday is my P45 then so be it, id rather work somewhere where I get paid for the work I do, not find every reason they can not to pay me
But on the most side I can hack the work side of things just circumstances could have been better as such 
] and they always start new min-wage pickers in pairs because guarenteed one wouldnt last a fortnight before “circumstances” were against them either with sickness, kids off school grandmothers 9th funeral whatever; and there’s that many people out there looking work that maybe someone with genuine problems got the boot but thats it - their problems, once yer in a place a year or 2 and well settled theyre usually more understanding. No reason to ■■■■ you about with wages mind you I’d be chasing that up right away and like others have said it may be down to they way wages are worked out week by week but get it sorted on your 1st day back and if they say they dont have to pay you then head for the nearest exit.