Are their too many university educated people in society?
The reason I ask this is the number of company’s/organisations that have turned the simplest of things into over complicated nightmares.
Common sense has been trown out and replace by risk assessments with each individual who carries out these risk assessments trying to out do the other.
How many warehouse have you been to that carry out the same service but are run completely different?
Eg “first time here drive?” If the answer is yes your directed to a DVD player to watch a 15 film that thinks your stupid, and in done cases your then tested on the film.
You then go to a similar warehouse down the road, and instead of DVDs, salvo locks, drop trailer on bay, stand in safe area etc, they have good old fashioned common sense and safety.
That’s sounds fun am at a place atm just a little wear house have to wear hi viz portable fence around back of container and mobile platform for get in the back I’m waiting to be told to put my hard hat on
Anyway, I am and know a few humble drivers that were too.
that would seem to me to make a good argument for the removal of government (taxpayers) subsidies to universities and the students.
Why should the public ■■■■■ pay for education in order to do a job that simply does not require that level of attainment?
Surely in times of financial stress any expenditure of this kind should be reserved for careers that need the extra education.
IMO there is far too much emphasis placed on having a degree, when, in most cases the jobs can, and are, done equally well without the benefit of a degree.
As an aside, is there a case for restricting degree holders to the profession that they have trained for (at our expense) until society has recouped some of the expense laid out?
Broadly similar in effect to the practice of employers who train drivers through LGV status requiring the driver to remain in their employment until the debt is cleared.
Anyway, I am and know a few humble drivers that were too.
that would seem to me to make a good argument for the removal of government (taxpayers) subsidies to universities and the students.
Why should the public ■■■■■ pay for education in order to do a job that simply does not require that level of attainment?.
He might be a driver today but maybe in 10 years he might be a transport lawyer or in government as transport secretary with the benefit of hands on experience. There is nothing wrong with having a good education and trying to better yourself.
Anyway, I am and know a few humble drivers that were too.
As an aside, is there a case for restricting degree holders to the profession that they have trained for (at our expense) until society has recouped some of the expense laid out?
And what should we do if we just could not get a job in the profession we have trained for? Sign on the dole?
And what should we do if we just could not get a job in the profession we have trained for? Sign on the dole?
Maybe the fact that you can’t get a job in your chosen profession merely means that we are paying to train too many people for that profession.
Perhaps if that is the case we should be limiting the number of degrees available in certain professions.
I think that you may have missed the point of my first answer.
I am not saying that you shouldn’t be a HGV driver, just that the money spent by you and by us on your education for a certain profession is largely wasted whilst you are driving for a living.
Of course it may be the case that you are actually building hands on experience in order to progress and use both your education and that experience in the future, although from your post I guess that your expertise is non transport related.
sign on the dole?
absolutley not, you have done the right thing and found a job that supports you and your family and in times like today you probably have no choice in the matter, maybe it is fairer if I restrict my comment to those who although having spent a lot of their and our money on education , then choose to not use it and become truck drivers.
I have family who have been through Uni at the cost of a lot of sacrifice from their parents who have simply gone on to work, through choice, in a series of dead end, menial, low paid jobs which they could have simply gone into straight from school without even an “o” level.
A complete waste of time and money.
And for those who say education is never wasted, of course it is if it isn’t made use of.
There are too many graduates in society sure. There’s a lack of those with a "proper university education however - that is, degrees in useful subjects you can change the world with.
“Communication studies” and “Art History” are not among them!
There appear to be a surfeit of fairly useless degrees on offer these days.How about Media studies,students sit watching t.v. most of the day.or domestic economics H.T.F. do you get a degree in that?or theatre lighting,lots of jobs going there Im sure.
Yeah but that’s called hindsight which is always 20/20 people who get degrees were probably hoping to go in to a relevant field which may have been a good probability at the start of the course but then the land shifted & they’re having to do whatever to make a wage.
What you’re suggesting sounds like brave new world were everyone is segregated for a certain career from birth.
“Media Studies” was taken up either by people wanting an easy degree, and had the cash to spare to pay for it. Taken up by the sort of person who has no talent whatsoever, but aspires to being “Famous for being Famous”.
Art History - Ditto the above, but for toffee nose twits who only go to University because it’s the affluent citizen’s thing to do while the rest of us are saving up for a mortgage deposit.
They still don’t do much good though, because even when applying to get on something like “Big Broher”, they’ll select those candidates most likely to have friction with the other housemates…
Perhaps I should have applied.
For my age group going to university is just the done thing. I can count on one hand the amount of people that aren’t at uni in my friendship circle.
When I was in 6th form (only 2 years ago) everyone was encouraged to go to uni and any other path was never spoke of. I’ll never forget a meeting I had with my head of 6th form when he asked me what I wanted to do and I said HGV driver. He looked at me as if the lights had gone out
My cousin has a good degree in accounting, she went a year unemployed then ended up working in an office for the police answering phones.
I think there are just too many degrees, most of them useless. Wolverhampton uni offers a degree in David beckham studies ffs what good is that to anybody…
Thereal-john:
‘…Common sense … they have good old fashioned common sense…’
Lets get this understood.
You’re living in the dictated version of 21st century UK, complete with diversity and carry-on larks with society being diluted of all previous versions of commonality - and here’s you getting misty-eyed and hoping for ‘…old fashioned common sense…’
Is that right
I’m guessing a chat and a beer/wine/spritzer/Coke* is needed to brace you for disappointment
I feel sorry for these kids who have graduated in the last few years with all of the degrees they set out to attain to be met with a stagnant jobs market that we have had for a while now. It is easy to think that they should of just gotten stuck into work at 17 and not bothered with more education as their parents had done ok by not bothering, Mrs Thatcher could of just gone into the family grocery business, good education will always be worth a punt on.
Thereal-john:
‘…Common sense … they have good old fashioned common sense…’
Lets get this understood.
You’re living in the dictated version of 21st century UK, complete with diversity and carry-on larks with society being diluted of all previous versions of commonality - and here’s you getting misty-eyed and hoping for ‘…old fashioned common sense…’
Is that right
I’m guessing a chat and a beer/wine/spritzer/Coke* is needed to brace you for disappointment
*Other EU approved beverages are available
Oh, and there was I thinking you had written a whole post without mentioning the EU…so close yet so far…
It probably won’t be long before you need to go to university simply to learn spelling and punctuation and basic ■■■■ like that, judging by the OP’s OP.
Fair enough if English is not his native language.
Good thing about a University degree, it doesn’t expire like a drivers licence , you never know when it can be used, you are a long time working folks.
Thereal-john:
Are their too many university educated people in society?
Can there ever be too many educated people in society?
No-one can really be considered overeducated as education is a powerful tool if used correctly.
Problem is, there are too many under-achievers in the subjects that are of benefit to the whole of any society. There is also a lack of students with the necessary abilities to study the most beneficial subjects such as engineering and the physical sciences.
On the downside there are many students who regard their time at “University” as a pastime. There are also many who are there, not through ability, but through who they are, and it is a stepping stone to an already guaranteed mapped out future. These are the one’s who need to be weeded out to give those who genuinely want to study a chance to do so. IMO.
JLS Driver SOS:
Good thing about a University degree, it doesn’t expire like a drivers licence , you never know when it can be used, you are a long time working folks.
Depends what your degree is in, I.T degrees for example become obsolete a lot faster than you’d think
