maga:
JLS Driver SOS:
Good thing about a University degree, it doesn’t expire like a drivers licence , you never know when it can be used, you are a long time working folks.Depends what your degree is in, I.T degrees for example become obsolete a lot faster than you’d think
True on that one , if your not in the industry keeping up, about a month 
Thereal-john:
Are their too many university educated people in society?
The reason I ask this is the number of company’s/organisations that have turned the simplest of things into over complicated nightmares.
You are right about the stupid complexities of everyday life, and the tendency to regulate every thing, then regulate those who write the regulations, then regulate those who examine the compliance of the regulations, then provide performance targets for those who regulate the managers who examine for compliance etc.
But I don’t blame university per se. I think the civil service and some aspects of membership of the EU can take their fair share of the blame.
It’s amazing how any old episode of Yes Minister can still be equally applied today, especially the highly efficient hospital that has no patients…
I had to have chemo a few years ago, and I’d sit around for about 5 hours just waiting for the prescribed chemo to reach the ward before they even started the multi hour process of pumping it all in me. I eventually got it sussed …
Go for blood test day before, get prescription, deliver myself by hand to the pharmacy, drive home. Next day turn up, get my own competent consultant to do the canuler, (thus avoiding the student doctor on the ward who was allowed 2 attempts jabbing it in before calling in someone qualified, another delay), collect my medical notes, go to pharmacy, collect my own prescribed chemo, take it to ward, bang it down on desk and say can you put that lot in this hole please! In and out in 3 hours. Result! Simply by avoiding hospital porters and doing it all myself.
I worked with three university educated people. One had a law degree, another had an economics degree, both had no intention of using them, they just wanted to work in Radio. The third, had some marketing degree or something, and got a job as Head of Marketing…So a relevant degree. However when she moved on, they replaced her with someone who had no marketing experience at all and learnt on the job. As for media studies, in days gone by, to work in TV, Film, Radio etc no employer in those industries would look at you without a media studies degree, as they seriously believed that by having that degree you had an understanding of the relevant industry. Read a book, that’ll give you an insight, not wasting money on a useless course.
An interesting debate.
There are too many ‘Mickey Mouse’ courses around. These days uni is about bums on seats, not recruiting the best students.
Most courses these days require some input financially from the student themselves, although many will probably get away with not paying it all back. It’s considered socially the ‘norm’ for young folk to go to uni.
As for preventing people with degrees working in other industries - what a load of absolute tosh!! 
I left university in 1998 having gained a BA Hons degree in Marketing. At no stage during my education did I have the slightest inclination to use it, but as others have said, the qualification doesn’t run out!
Left uni in May and started driving artics round Europe in the June. Would I change what I did, absolutely not. Have stayed in the transport industry all my life and have no intention of leaving it.
Blame Tony Blair, or his speech-impedimented twerp sidekick Education Sec at the time, Ed Balls (yes, really), who said that he wanted “50% of the population educated to degree standard”. In my day (doing Mech Eng before you ask - nice’n relevant), we were told we were the “top 10%” and we felt good. That’s the reason for Mickey Mouse degrees; the other 40%!
Don’t forget; the graduates will be paying off their student loans for years - don’t get me started on that… 
I’ve got a uni degree but I’m as thick as ■■■■, never really made it in life but I stay out of 'society’s way & don’t ■■■■ anything else up, things are zb’d up enough as it is…!
One of the points I was making is that company’s used to promote from within, ie start at a firm when you leave school at the lowest position available, and gradually over the years move up the ladder, so eventually you know the whole job from top to bottom.
Now it apears uni graduates are being “fast tracked” into environments they know very little about, but press on anyway telling us all how the job needs to be done, regardless of our own experience. Further more in order to justify their own position and show how brilliant they are, the set about re-inventing the wheel!
I havent got one, but would like one, in something I am passionate about.
However I just happened to catch a piece of Millionaire last night and watched a young student who already owed 30k in loans and was studying computer hacking or some such nonsense.
He still had to use 50/50, ask the audience and phone a friend on two straightforward questions. Maybe the entrance exams are not severe enough.
My beloved’s Sister bangs on about her uni education, she went for about 6 weeks and blames it on her being over qualified to take a job. She is 44 now and works part time in the village chip shop. If anyone asks her though she will tell them that she works in Hospitality
I would say that a lot of the health and safety rules on whatever media to push into a drivers skull is more to do with the compensation culture and the ambulance chasing lawyers than anybody with a university qualification. The HR teams etc. are brainwashed with it as the company is petrified of someone suing them over an accident in their yard!
I took off my hi-viz while waiting INSIDE a portacabin,the goods in clerk told me to wear it, while i was waiting for my paper work.
I always wear my vis jacket, never take it off the whole shift, not a spot of grease on it either…!
The problem is,is that people confuse “education” with “intelligence”
And even more so a"university education" with “great intelligence”
Lets not forget most of the morons that govern our country are “university educated”
and you would have to go a long long way to find a less intelligent bunch of pillocks than these cretins.
Experience and intelligence are the key to knowledge not some bit of crap parchment from some “great house of learning”
Pimpdaddy:
I always wear my vis jacket, never take it off the whole shift, not a spot of grease on it either…!
Do you work in the office then? 
alder:
I would say that a lot of the health and safety rules on whatever media to push into a drivers skull is more to do with the compensation culture and the ambulance chasing lawyers than anybody with a university qualification. The HR teams etc. are brainwashed with it as the company is petrified of someone suing them over an accident in their yard!
Spot on. No one really gives a stuff about any employees health and safety. They however give a stuff when they have to pay out on a claim on some scrote who fell out of a cab becuase no one completed a safe system of work on exiting a cab in a correct and safe manner. Even though common sense should apply, insurance companies see it as easier to pay up rather fight any claims which sets a precident for anyone to claim anything, “I broke a finger when I dropped a stapler on my toe. Even though | was wearing safety footwear, I was off work for three days and attended a and e”
That is indeed the problem,insurance cos. pay up and load the premiums on new drivers meaning that the teenagers cant become drivers in their own right.I passed my driving test when I was 17, 40 odd years ago I bought a 10 year old Morris van for £85.00 and paid about the same for motor insurance.At that time my wage was £15.00 per week as an apprentice baker.I see it as very sad that young folk are kept in schools for so long because there are no real jobs out there for them.
