Unions

Is anyone here a part of a union? Such as URTU? Would you consider joining?

Way I see it is the transport industry is on a gradual downward trend. Surely if people started joining unions, and getting their voices heard, eventually things may change?

I see lots of complaints about how bad the job is, would it not make sense to try and do something about it?

Admittedly, I have barely any experience in the industry but what I see on here and as various DC’s I visit, something needs to be done. It would need a concerted effort though from lots of drivers to actually make a difference. Unions need power to make a difference, and with thousands of drivers a part of it, they would have power.

So what’s everyone’s thoughts?

Trucking sideways:
Is anyone here a part of a union? Such as URTU? Would you consider joining?

Way I see it is the transport industry is on a gradual downward trend. Surely if people started joining unions, and getting their voices heard, eventually things may change?

I see lots of complaints about how bad the job is, would it not make sense to try and do something about it?

Admittedly, I have barely any experience in the industry but what I see on here and as various DC’s I visit, something needs to be done. It would need a concerted effort though from lots of drivers to actually make a difference. Unions need power to make a difference, and with thousands of drivers a part of it, they would have power.

So what’s everyone’s thoughts?

HMM… barely any experience in the industry but you know it’s going downhill…

Why did you take the job then? Best money you could gross for your qualifications? Lack of stress? Easy number? Enjoy driving?

Downton, Wincanton and Stobart all have a union presence and look how well that has helped their T’s and C’s…

Darkside:

Trucking sideways:
Is anyone here a part of a union? Such as URTU? Would you consider joining?

Way I see it is the transport industry is on a gradual downward trend. Surely if people started joining unions, and getting their voices heard, eventually things may change?

I see lots of complaints about how bad the job is, would it not make sense to try and do something about it?

Admittedly, I have barely any experience in the industry but what I see on here and as various DC’s I visit, something needs to be done. It would need a concerted effort though from lots of drivers to actually make a difference. Unions need power to make a difference, and with thousands of drivers a part of it, they would have power.

So what’s everyone’s thoughts?

HMM… barely any experience in the industry but you know it’s going downhill…

Why did you take the job then? Best money you could gross for your qualifications? Lack of stress? Easy number? Enjoy driving?

Downton, Wincanton and Stobart all have a union presence and look how well that has helped their T’s and C’s…

Well I can see hourly pay of just above minimum wage, regulations after regulations, keys taken away from drivers and being made to sit in a room with somebody watching over them until they are tipped and allowed to leave. Lots of folks on here complaining about how bad their job is. Drivers being spoken to like crap and treated like second class citizens and a necessary evil. Was it always like that, or is that a decline in the job?

I haven’t taken the job as such, I’m still serving in the military but driving on the side, my licenses were free, all I’ve paid for was CPC and a tacho and I’ve covered those in 3 shifts, and I’m in the process of competing a degree so who knows what I may “gross with my qualifications” when the time comes. Yes I enjoy driving, it would be an easy number compared to what i have done in the past, lack of stress? Depends on the job.

Now we have those out the way…

Royal Mail are heavily unionised, they do pretty well and are well protected, fuel tanker drivers used to have their strikes about pay until the army said we will cover any strikes, was it home bargains that recently got a pay rise due to union action?

Agreed, stobarts “don’t recognise unions”, however I just wondered if it would improve the drivers t’s and c’s if many more drivers were unionised.

The problem is organisation. Because drivers on the whole work alone and isolated, it’s difficult to make a concerted stand as a collective. Like it or not, and this is not meant in any way derogatory, but it is very hard as an individual, to stand up, and face the management. It is also easy to replace a single, or a few drivers, rather than the whole workforce in a factory.

I’m a member of URTU.

Unions lost respect in this industry way back in the seventies when we were expected to support everybody and their uncle until we came out and then all those we’d backed kicked off at us cos they weren’t earning as nothing was going in and out of the pit,factory or port gate.

Darkside:
Downton, Wincanton and Stobart all have a union presence and look how well that has helped their T’s and C’s…

I dread to think what they’d be like if they didn’t :open_mouth:

Regarding the original post, in my last job we were heavily unionised, and were all members of URTU. This helped us all in a few ways, especially reclaiming backpay we were entitled to, and getting holiday pay reflecting our average from the prior 12 weeks. But there was a big downside. There seemed to be a golden inner-circle of time served drivers, some of which were the union reps, and they often skewed the democratic process to feather their own nest. For me, that meant I lost out in a big way when the company were making changes, and I left the job because of it. My current employer isn’t unioninsed, yet we do receive the average holiday pay etc, and I don’t perceive them to be any worse or better than my previous employer on the whole.

Any union is better than none

Been in the T&G, now Unite, for ever, or at least ever since i found my first proper job.

All the best jobs i’ve had with decent T’s and C’s have been unionised, some other jobs have been ok but without any benefits of any kind ie proper sick pay, bereavement leave etc, and unionsed cos pay for licences medicals DCPC in company time and proper protective wear, been made redundant 3 times in my driving life, the two times in non unionised cos i got the bare min, in the unionised job an extra £grand for every year worked on top of an already decent package, my lad walked away with about £11k from a job he’d only been in about 18 months, again unionised.

Is it worth joining if you’re the sole member in an otherwise crap job, probably not.
Can a union change things, yes if enough of you become members and the company recognise the union, and you’re both firm and fair minded, if the company’s on its arse already you can’t get blood from a stone.

A good union with carefully selected shop stewards (the most important decision a member can make is who to elect, those who don’t self serve and are fair minded) also serves another purpose, in that a good steward and union should help keep a bit of discipline, discourage half wits from doing stupid things before they end up on the desk of management, a union should work hand in hand with management to keep a happy ship going in an ideal world.

The transport industry if its on a downward spiral only has itself to blame, its been desperate to cheapen the job, make it idiot proof which has only served to allow ever more idiots into the job, sooner or later the penny will drop that scraping the skills/attitude/competence barrel ever lower isn’t working and they’ll have to try something else but i ain’t holding me breath for that change.

For specific things like deliveries to RDC’s where you’re herded in a room as if on remand, then no i don’t think unions are the answer, the answer to that is to not work for companies who deliver to such places, when the questions start getting asked at the top, ‘why do we not have any deliveries again today and no food on the shelves’ they’ll do something about it.
The irony being those supermarket drivers who drive directly for those same RDC’s are usually treated well.

Having to hand keys in is purely because of half wits in our own industry, who have driven off with a fork truck half on the trailer, unfortunately these days one size fits all so all are assumed as thick as those bods, i can’t see this changing to be honest.
Not all parts of the industry are like that, some specialist sectors still try to treat you as a sensible intelligent person, sadly idiots are getting into those sectors too, so the changes are coming.
The silver lining about half wits on unionised jobs is they often don’t join the union (cos £14 a month to benefit from an extra £200/800 a month is just too expensive i tell ya :unamused: ), so when they do the things they do, they get no union representation.

A good union with carefully selected shop stewards (the most important decision a member can make is who to elect, those who don’t self serve and are fair minded) also serves another purpose, in that a good steward and union should help keep a bit of discipline, discourage half wits from doing stupid things before they end up on the desk of management, a union should work hand in hand with management to keep a happy ship going in an ideal world.

This a thousand times!

Darkside:
Downton, Wincanton and Stobart all have a union presence and look how well that has helped their T’s and C’s…

A Union presence is one thing, useful for knowing what the relevant employment laws are, so you get paid what you’re legally due, but when it comes to the crunch a Union requires the workforce to, well unite, if people aren’t willing to stick together, then the Union has no punch.
One of the cleverest moves Thatcher did was to allow people to buy council houses and to make credit easier to get, this meant the most working people are in a great deal of debt, removing your labour or even working to rule isn’t really a practical option if you risk losing your home, car and anything else you have credit on, so you just keep your head down and get on with it.

Yes…I’m a union member

Well worth the monthly subs

I have been a member of USDAW sinceI started at my current job (@10 years) which was when the depot opened.

The pay and conditions have improved greatly in that time most of this gained by the union of which the majority of drivers are members, the relationship between the union and management is good and the elected shop stewards are also very good.

The issue I find is with the drivers themselves they seen to be vocal but seem to do nothing about their situation, RE the current thread about impossible deadlines.

If you are concerned about visiting RDC’s then you should be working in one where you take the stuff out and not in, like I have said countless times if you want a miserable life with most of it spent in a headlong rush for a pittance then go with the for profit circus.

For the life of me I don’t understand it when the good jobs are there why do you flog yourself to death, a little bit of effort gets you trucking nirvana.

I’m in the GMB union and they have a strong presence within our company and carry some clout and I’d never consider not being in it.

I’m a member of Unite. What has the union ever done for me? Difficult to quantify tbh, I do know that our T’s & C’s are very good, I’ve had an above inflation payrise every year since I started there, we are entitled to average pay sick pay from day one, we get the day off with 10 hours pay for a doctors, hospital or dentist appointment, we get proper time and a half after 10 hours, we get double time every hour of a sixth shift, we get an extra £3 an hour dark money (before 7am and after 6 pm), we get DCPC,eyetests, glasses, licence renewals all paid for, if we get sent home early and an agency driver works on we get the same number of hours that he does.

Would all this be possible without a strong union presence? Perhaps, but I doubt it.

Back in the seventies we were in the GMBU and they were useless for transport! Any grievances we had they were not interested, when our drivers staged a strike the Union rep came down and said “Come on lads, get back to work” and then went out to lunch with the gaffers so not much help at all. I only stayed in for the legal side but gave up with it in the end. The company wouldn’t recognize the TGW union so we were stuck with what we had.

Pete.

never have or would ever join a union as i despise the oncept of the operation typified by the im all right jack bone idle lazy personna of the british factory type workforce.
although ive mostly been self employed then anytime ive taken a employed job its been because the wages and conditions suited me and ive always been happy making my own money without bothering about anyone else.
if the job dont suit,then either dont start there,or start elsewhere.

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When I started driving it was expected that you became a member of the T & GW. Eventually I became a steward but that was after Thatcher had pulled most of the teeth from the workforce. Biggest influence I had as a steward was on driver retention. The management was careful not to bully and frustrated drivers had a path through me that could rectify their problems. The Union saved drivers from unfair and constructive dismissal while they could moan at me and things would get sorted.

Example of Union saving a driver’s job: Management came to me and said that one driver in particular was doing more damage than the rest of us put together. He was consistently top of the charts and they wanted to sack him. But I said that if they fired Duncan the Destroyer, then another driver would become the top scoring damage driver and , by precedent, they would have to fire him too. And so on until they would be sacking any driver who caused any damage at all. Duncan was just unlucky, I suggested and just needed a bit of retraining.

Unions are only as good as its members.
Unions can get good agreements and T&Cs with management, but from past experience, Drivers once out of the depot will do what they want to suit themselves. On return to the depot ,and among their "mates" they revert back to the "agreements" and the usual cant do this can`t do that
As always Drivers are their own worst enemy,that will never change.

URTU are a waste of time.

I had a wages dispute with a former employer, and my rep changed 3 times in 2 months, and by the time I got someone who showed a glimmer of interest, I was nearly out of time with a court case to the point I had to go down the route of taking him to court myself.

I asked them for help once it had started, and they refused to help me because I had started it myself.

W*****s.

Ken.