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Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!
Basically translates as “Management agreed that the shop steward and his mates could keep all the cushy runs, and the two scabs who joined a different union have been made redundant”.
Parasitic mafioso sucking the life out of the company.
I read this article and was shocked that they were prepared to strike during lockdown. If you think the panic buying is bad now, what would it be like if the headlines said trucks would be standing?
What about your own jobs? They are overpaid prima donnas who know they have Hoyer by the ■■■■■■■■, and are sinister enough to use that power regardless of the consequences. Pretty much what happened during the 70’s and 80’s.
They actually went out on strike just after the finincial crash and got a pay rise as most of us faced oblivion.
I don’t know the circumstances,.and tbh I ain’t really interested. 
I’d never knock any group of working employees for trying to make conditions and/or pay better for themselves.
The alternative seems to be the present trend though…
Just ■■■■ up any injustice without question, which is exactly why the job is like what it is today,…(well apart from that is generally speaking those working for firms who are represented and looked after by a Union, but why let facts get in the way of anti Union rhetoric eh? 
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In the meantime we’re stuck with the likes of 10 quid an hour right through, and having to work an excess of 70 hours to make a wage to live on.
Aye you’re right,.Unions are a …(fill in the blanks with the usual populist groundless comments)
Many years ago I was a union representative for a while, I took part in negotiations to settle a dispute which had led to a three week strike, not about money but terms and conditions.
The full-time official gave us the good advice that money increases can be eroded by inflation, better hours and holidays aren’t.
This was in the days when that particular union was more interested in looking after its members than in pushing extreme left wing politics.
We got what I consider to be a good deal last year; the abolition of the taking 30 minutes dinner break from us plus an 8% rise (over two years) , so 4% last year and we’ll get another 4% this coming January. Interestingly us drivers are the only members of the workforce getting a pay rise (Covid innit). I very much doubt we’d have got much of that without a strong union presence. Love 'em or hate 'em it seems apparent that those with betters T’s & C’s usually work at unionised sites.
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Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!
Absolutely. I mean, who’d want to be earning £55,000 a year for a 35 hour week like a tube train driver when you could be earning £28,000 for a 70 hour week like a truck driver? 
Harry Monk:
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Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!Absolutely. I mean, who’d want to be earning £55,000 a year for a 35 hour week like a tube train driver when you could be earning £28,000 for a 70 hour week like a truck driver?
They won’t be earning £55k in a few years, they’ll be on the dole. Tube is already at the point where it could be fully automated and it’s only because of passenger reluctance that it isn’t. Won’t take many more strikes before the public decide they’d rather have full automation than continue to be held to ransom.
Harry Monk:
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Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!Absolutely. I mean, who’d want to be earning £55,000 a year for a 35 hour week like a tube train driver when you could be earning £28,000 for a 70 hour week like a truck driver?
TFL can’t exactly get another Tube company in to replace the existing one when they decide to go on strike because reasons, ergo the current Tube company has them by the balls and can dictate any terms or money they want because there is no competition to worry about. Try that in road transport and see how it goes for you. Or just rewind a few years and see how it panned out when Stobart Doncaster drivers tried it 
. You might win your battle in the short-term but if the customer gets a better offer on the table from Wincanton (other logistics companies are available) then it no longer matters how fantastic your T&Cs are when you’re sat at home with no income after being made redundant when your company lost the work to them.
I seem to recall not long ago that Suttons drivers found out just how gold-plated their contracts were too. Which was not very.
Conor:
Harry Monk:
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Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!Absolutely. I mean, who’d want to be earning £55,000 a year for a 35 hour week like a tube train driver when you could be earning £28,000 for a 70 hour week like a truck driver?
They won’t be earning £55k in a few years, they’ll be on the dole. Tube is already at the point where it could be fully automated and it’s only because of passenger reluctance that it isn’t. Won’t take many more strikes before the public decide they’d rather have full automation than continue to be held to ransom.
So someone earning £55,000 a year in an area where a two-up, two-down terraced house costs £750,000 is holding the public to ransom?
With people like you in the job, we don’t really deserve to be treated any better, do we?
Funny how the demise of the strength of the Unions has led to a worsening of working terms and conditions. Yet there are still mugs who say “Unions ■■■■”. I bet they are the first to complain because they are working for £9 per hour straight through.
I dont care what you think, I KNOW that as a Union member I have some protection and somebody watching my back.
Not a union man by nature. I saw the damage they did in the 70s.
But, my first job in transport, I joined the union.
Only way to get my place to listen to reason is via the union.
We didn’t get a great overuse this year but we did get a 25% in holidays on top.
The lads who make up the Union are is strength…not idiots like Red Len
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Mick Bracewell:
Harry Monk:
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Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!Absolutely. I mean, who’d want to be earning £55,000 a year for a 35 hour week like a tube train driver when you could be earning £28,000 for a 70 hour week like a truck driver?
TFL can’t exactly get another Tube company in to replace the existing one when they decide to go on strike because reasons, ergo the current Tube company has them by the balls and can dictate any terms or money they want because there is no competition to worry about. Try that in road transport and see how it goes for you. Or just rewind a few years and see how it panned out when Stobart Doncaster drivers tried it
I seem to recall not long ago that Suttons drivers found out just how gold-plated their contracts were too. Which was not very.
If employment contracts can be easily broken by one side, is that a good reason to ask for a pay cut, and secure your job? Or a good reason to press for a fairer employment law framework?
“Gold plated contract”? One that was honoured or enforceable would be enough.
Franglais:
Mick Bracewell:
Harry Monk:
short walk:
Unions ■■■■. Don’t care what you say!Absolutely. I mean, who’d want to be earning £55,000 a year for a 35 hour week like a tube train driver when you could be earning £28,000 for a 70 hour week like a truck driver?
TFL can’t exactly get another Tube company in to replace the existing one when they decide to go on strike because reasons, ergo the current Tube company has them by the balls and can dictate any terms or money they want because there is no competition to worry about. Try that in road transport and see how it goes for you. Or just rewind a few years and see how it panned out when Stobart Doncaster drivers tried it
I seem to recall not long ago that Suttons drivers found out just how gold-plated their contracts were too. Which was not very.
If employment contracts can be easily broken by one side, is that a good reason to ask for a pay cut, and secure your job? Or a good reason to press for a fairer employment law framework?
“Gold plated contract”? One that was honoured or enforceable would be enough.
Oh it’s you again. I won’t waste my breath.
What part of ‘closed shop’ do some of you not get?
There is a reason why you are not train drivers for TFL, or Ford Car transporter drivers or driving petrol tankers for top rates of pay, and that is because until very recently unless you were family or a union crony or a bone idle two faced shop steward you had no chance of getting in there.
You back their fight to retain their exalted working conditions even at the expense of your own jobs.
If the Union had any backbone it would be fighting the low wage long hours culture of the industry, but that does not fit in with their political view. They are the masters, you are the proletariat mugs.
We do need a union…we need an honest one.
Hmm…I don’t work for TFL etc cos I never applied.
Not sure TFL is that different to rail companies…I have 2 mates driving for 2 different companies after full careers in the military - not that closed a shop.
Having entered transport a year ago the issue isn’t unions not fighting long hours and low pay-its drivers themselves
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Meanwhile back in the real world, those in decent unionised jobs carry on doing their part as card carrying subs-paying members, and enjoy the benefits they helped attain.
If you can’t be arsed with unions that’s fine too, your choice at the end of the day, but it’s kinda weird complaining the union isn’t fighting low pay in the industry if no one wants to join the union in the first place, are they supposed to don a super hero costume and wade in like some Marvel comic righter of wrongs.
As said above, the union is the members and the local officials who help and advise when needed.
Monkey241:
Having entered transport a year ago the issue isn’t unions not fighting long hours and low pay-its drivers themselves
Bang on. Peel away the thin veneer and the truth is that all drivers only care about themselves, and that includes the shop stewards.
Mick Bracewell:
Monkey241:
Having entered transport a year ago the issue isn’t unions not fighting long hours and low pay-its drivers themselvesBang on. Peel away the thin veneer and the truth is that all drivers only care about themselves, and that includes the shop stewards.
Shop steward at our place does care for himself…does a pretty good job for the others too.
Drivers are their own worst enemy when it comes to hours etc. Had one old sweat tell me if you want 9 til 5 get an office job.
What I wanted along with others was a little more consideration and communication. And it’s a battle we’re slowly winning
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