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Just to redress the balance here, maybe Albion notices things more if he finished the job a while ago, so observes stuff passively rather than witnessing stuff while still in the job, so notices more so.
I too drove when the job was different for both worse and better points, but I witnessed the changes while still doing the job, if you see what I mean.
I know a guy who jacked completely about 10 yrs ago, and re.started for instance. He could not believe how standards and attitudes had dropped, where in my case I witnessed it as a gradual process, because hey!..like it or not you younger and new guys they have!..end of.

Ok maybe albion is a bit of a one trick pony in his opinions, but he HAS got a point whether he rubs people up the wrong way or not.

Btw For the record, and to adress a query…There IS a world of difference between backing a non pas motor to a one with pas, it is a technique with not much room for error, and would be very strange and difficult for a driver trying it today.

If I too am coming across as condescending and superior I couldn’t give a ■■■■ tbh, BUT it is not my intention, and I have nothing to gain or prove by doing so :bulb: …I am just saying it as it is and how I see it.

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Evil8Beezle:

Dan Bear 87:
Hi evil, I was wondering when you’d pipe up :smiley:
U write posts like a newspaper column, I enjoy reading them. It’d probably take me half an hour to write a reply like that lol!
How’s life in an artic treating you mate? I bet you dropped that 26 tonnes like a hot potato :grimacing:

Hi pal, glad to see you playing in the big bellend forum! :smiley:

I took the first opportunity to get out of the Class 2 work out my firm for just the reason you’re experiencing! :grimacing:
The drops in an artic are completely different, and you don’t get sent to residential places where your first reaction regarding the access is: Are you having a laugh? :laughing: Or dealing with customers that haven’t given a thought to how the pallet is going to get to their desired location… I always fell back on the phrase of “kerbside delivery” when things got messy, although if possible I always did my best to get it as close as I could. However that didn’t always go to plan, and I recall delivering a ton of lime for some builders to a residential address once, and the house owner said the builders who were not there wanted it all the way up the gravel drive! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I stated that this wouldn’t happen with a pallet truck, and I’d be lucky to get 2 foot through the entrance way. The owner said OK, and I suggested they get their car out before I tried, as otherwise I’d probably block their car in! So parking 50m up the road :imp:, and using the gentle incline, I came down the road at pace and swung the pallet truck into the drive which was slightly up hill, and just as I suspected, the pallet truck said no the moment it hit the gravel. I got the delivery ticket signed from the house owner who was grateful that I’d warned them to get their car out first, and I shot off quick before the builders turned up! :smiley: 30 mins later I get a call from the office asking who told me where to put the pallet of lime, and who signed for the delivery. I stated it was the house owner and I’d warned them that I wouldn’t be able to get the lime to the back of the drive. At that point the office told me that the builder on the phone was going ape crap at them! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: The moral of that little story is that you can try to do your best for people, and it will never be enough. You will get the blame for other peoples stupidity or lack of thought and planning!

With Class 1 pallet multi-drop it’s completely different, it’s generally to industrial estates dealing with people who’s actual job is to unload wagons, and not suffering the obviously deliberate annoyance that you’re distracting them from dealing with something else… You do get the odd bellend, but on the whole it’s a lot less confrontational, and if the site is a bit tight, the staff will help you get out. I never got that driving an oversized VAN! :laughing: I won’t deny that the driving and reversing aspects in an artic are a little more scary, as I’ve driven in to a few places and instantly thoughts: How the hell do I get out of here? :laughing: But that will diminish with more practice and experience, plus I’m happier to face that, than the moronic general public as frequently…

P.S. Did a drop of 18 pallets into a well known pharmaceutical company just over a week ago. I reversed onto the bay, handed over my keys and asked to use the toilet. Got told the nearest one was out of order, and to use the ones over by the staff canteen. 30 minutes later after a huge plate of Haddock and Chips for £2.50, I got back to the truck to find it unloaded! :grimacing: You don’t get that on Class 2 multi-drop pal! :wink:

What a hero you are!

I quite often have a read on the forum but very rarely feel the need to post anything on here.

From what I can make out from your constant posts, replies and opinions you are quite new to truck driving. If this this is the case you don’t half think you know it all and I can honestly say from all the ops who post on here you are the one who pis### me off the most!

Most ops on here have probably forgotten more than what you have yet to learn!

Constantly banging on and on about how belittling class 2 work is. I’ve had a class 1 for 20 years and drove them for most of it. Now quite happy on class 2 for more money than most class 1 work. I’ll leave that to mugs like you!

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:open_mouth: :open_mouth: What■■?
Are you saying Evil8b ■■■■■■ you off more than I do? :open_mouth:
He’s only been on here 5 minutes, what you on about. :unamused:
I have a reputation on here to keep, I must be slipping. :cry:
Come on have a re.think…read some of MY posts, I’m leaving left out here man.
I don’t get this kind of negative response from my mate Tachograph, he bites EVERY time.
:laughing:

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robroy:
Just to redress the balance here, maybe Albion notices things more if he finished the job a while ago, so observes stuff passively rather than witnessing stuff while still in the job, so notices more so.
I too drove when the job was different for both worse and better points, but I witnessed the changes while still doing the job, if you see what I mean.
I know a guy who jacked completely about 10 yrs ago, and re.started for instance. He could not believe how standards and attitudes had dropped, where in my case I witnessed it as a gradual process, because hey!..like it or not you younger and new guys they have!..end of.

Ok maybe albion is a bit of a one trick pony in his opinions, but he HAS got a point whether he rubs people up the wrong way or not.

Btw For the record, and to adress a query…There IS a world of difference between backing a non pas motor to a one with pas, it is a technique with not much room for error, and would be very strange and difficult for a driver trying it today.

If I too am coming across as condescending and superior I couldn’t give a [zb] tbh, BUT it is not my intention, and I have nothing to gain or prove by doing so :bulb: …I am just saying it as it is and how I see it.

That’s it, I want a paternity test!!! :laughing:

I don’t disagree that some drivers do park in ludicrous positions, but before we get into the accusations and assumptions, it would be nice to qualify if this was or wasn’t a reason for the altercation. I’m more than happy to have an advanced driving standards opinion on the topic, but the condescension that always goes with it isn’t needed. I’m sure Albion has experienced more than I ever will, but I don’t believe newbies should be bowing and kneeling, or made to feel like they should in his presence. That’s the part I take issue with, and I’ll make no apologies for that! I’ve also NEVER on this forum acted like I know it all, and am always willing to listen to learn from the coffin dodgers :wink:, but if that requires a subservient attitude then it’s a sad day for this forum, as Newbies just won’t bother with it…

Albion1971 - How about adding to your vast experience, diplomacy! :wink:

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To be fair mate I was talking generally, I wasn’t referring to the thread subject specifically, as I understand that on home deliveries it aint always easy to park 100% safely You just try your best, park as safe as the situation allows, do all you can to avoid accidents with lights indicators and beacons, and hope for the best.

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Coolrider:

Evil8Beezle:

Dan Bear 87:
Hi evil, I was wondering when you’d pipe up :smiley:
U write posts like a newspaper column, I enjoy reading them. It’d probably take me half an hour to write a reply like that lol!
How’s life in an artic treating you mate? I bet you dropped that 26 tonnes like a hot potato :grimacing:

Hi pal, glad to see you playing in the big bellend forum! :smiley:

I took the first opportunity to get out of the Class 2 work out my firm for just the reason you’re experiencing! :grimacing:
The drops in an artic are completely different, and you don’t get sent to residential places where your first reaction regarding the access is: Are you having a laugh? :laughing: Or dealing with customers that haven’t given a thought to how the pallet is going to get to their desired location… I always fell back on the phrase of “kerbside delivery” when things got messy, although if possible I always did my best to get it as close as I could. However that didn’t always go to plan, and I recall delivering a ton of lime for some builders to a residential address once, and the house owner said the builders who were not there wanted it all the way up the gravel drive! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I stated that this wouldn’t happen with a pallet truck, and I’d be lucky to get 2 foot through the entrance way. The owner said OK, and I suggested they get their car out before I tried, as otherwise I’d probably block their car in! So parking 50m up the road :imp:, and using the gentle incline, I came down the road at pace and swung the pallet truck into the drive which was slightly up hill, and just as I suspected, the pallet truck said no the moment it hit the gravel. I got the delivery ticket signed from the house owner who was grateful that I’d warned them to get their car out first, and I shot off quick before the builders turned up! :smiley: 30 mins later I get a call from the office asking who told me where to put the pallet of lime, and who signed for the delivery. I stated it was the house owner and I’d warned them that I wouldn’t be able to get the lime to the back of the drive. At that point the office told me that the builder on the phone was going ape crap at them! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: The moral of that little story is that you can try to do your best for people, and it will never be enough. You will get the blame for other peoples stupidity or lack of thought and planning!

With Class 1 pallet multi-drop it’s completely different, it’s generally to industrial estates dealing with people who’s actual job is to unload wagons, and not suffering the obviously deliberate annoyance that you’re distracting them from dealing with something else… You do get the odd bellend, but on the whole it’s a lot less confrontational, and if the site is a bit tight, the staff will help you get out. I never got that driving an oversized VAN! :laughing: I won’t deny that the driving and reversing aspects in an artic are a little more scary, as I’ve driven in to a few places and instantly thoughts: How the hell do I get out of here? :laughing: But that will diminish with more practice and experience, plus I’m happier to face that, than the moronic general public as frequently…

P.S. Did a drop of 18 pallets into a well known pharmaceutical company just over a week ago. I reversed onto the bay, handed over my keys and asked to use the toilet. Got told the nearest one was out of order, and to use the ones over by the staff canteen. 30 minutes later after a huge plate of Haddock and Chips for £2.50, I got back to the truck to find it unloaded! :grimacing: You don’t get that on Class 2 multi-drop pal! :wink:

What a hero you are!

I quite often have a read on the forum but very rarely feel the need to post anything on here.

From what I can make out from your constant posts, replies and opinions you are quite new to truck driving. If this this is the case you don’t half think you know it all and I can honestly say from all the ops who post on here you are the one who pis### me off the most!

Did you leave your sense of humour at your last drop? in the main they are mostly light hearted craic do you not recognise a bit of banter when you see it, the long dark nights must really fly by in your house of fun

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robroy:
:shock: :open_mouth: What■■?
Are you saying Evil8b ■■■■■■ you off more than I do? :open_mouth:
He’s only been on here 5 minutes, what you on about. :unamused:
I have a reputation on here to keep, I must be slipping. :cry:
Come on have a re.think…read some of MY posts, I’m leaving left out here man.
I don’t get this kind of negative response from my mate Tachograph, he bites EVERY time.
:laughing:

To say he ■■■■■■ me off is putting it mildly to be honest.

I know he’s only been on for 5 minutes but good god he doesn’t half know it all!

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Coolrider:
What a hero you are!

Gee thanks, I’ll sleep better knowing you care…

Coolrider:
I quite often have a read on the forum but very rarely feel the need to post anything on here.

Thanks for contributing now then! :grimacing:

Coolrider:
From what I can make out from your constant posts, replies and opinions you are quite new to truck driving. If this this is the case you don’t half think you know it all and I can honestly say from all the ops who post on here you are the one who pis### me off the most!

Do I? :open_mouth:
Pay tell where I’ve said anything like that? The above you quoted doesn’t even profess me to be an expert in pulling a pallet truck! :laughing:
Anyway, do you think the post was for your benefit or that of the OP’s pal?
Plus if i’m winding you up mate, then you need to get out more…
Coupled to that, why are you even communicating to me then? :confused:

Coolrider:
Most ops on here have probably forgotten more than what you have yet to learn!

Oh that old chestnut, it never gets boring! :unamused:
So what? Or are you just rolling that out because it’s the best insult you’ve got? :laughing:
And how do newbie’s get this experience then Einstein? Were you born with yours? :open_mouth:

Coolrider:
Constantly banging on and on about how belittling class 2 work is. I’ve had a class 1 for 20 years and drove them for most of it. Now quite happy on class 2 for more money than most class 1 work. I’ll leave that to mugs like you!

Really? I’m doing a bit of Class 2 work right now… I’ve never said Class 2 work is belittling! I’ve said it is GENERALLY harder work, and on the whole more physical. But I’ve never been purposefully derogatory towards Class 2 work or drivers. Yes I’ve had a bit of banter, and perhaps that’s something you never learnt or grasped with all your years of experience! :wink:

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Coolrider:
To say he ■■■■■■ me off is putting it mildly to be honest.

I know he’s only been on for 5 minutes but good god he doesn’t half know it all!

Feel free to provide some examples, and if it’s going to take a while and you’re having dinner first, I’ll suggest fish! :smiley:
You can have it with the chip on your shoulder…

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mazzer:

Coolrider:

Evil8Beezle:

Dan Bear 87:
Hi evil, I was wondering when you’d pipe up :smiley:
U write posts like a newspaper column, I enjoy reading them. It’d probably take me half an hour to write a reply like that lol!
How’s life in an artic treating you mate? I bet you dropped that 26 tonnes like a hot potato :grimacing:

Hi pal, glad to see you playing in the big bellend forum! :smiley:

I took the first opportunity to get out of the Class 2 work out my firm for just the reason you’re experiencing! :grimacing:
The drops in an artic are completely different, and you don’t get sent to residential places where your first reaction regarding the access is: Are you having a laugh? :laughing: Or dealing with customers that haven’t given a thought to how the pallet is going to get to their desired location… I always fell back on the phrase of “kerbside delivery” when things got messy, although if possible I always did my best to get it as close as I could. However that didn’t always go to plan, and I recall delivering a ton of lime for some builders to a residential address once, and the house owner said the builders who were not there wanted it all the way up the gravel drive! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I stated that this wouldn’t happen with a pallet truck, and I’d be lucky to get 2 foot through the entrance way. The owner said OK, and I suggested they get their car out before I tried, as otherwise I’d probably block their car in! So parking 50m up the road :imp:, and using the gentle incline, I came down the road at pace and swung the pallet truck into the drive which was slightly up hill, and just as I suspected, the pallet truck said no the moment it hit the gravel. I got the delivery ticket signed from the house owner who was grateful that I’d warned them to get their car out first, and I shot off quick before the builders turned up! :smiley: 30 mins later I get a call from the office asking who told me where to put the pallet of lime, and who signed for the delivery. I stated it was the house owner and I’d warned them that I wouldn’t be able to get the lime to the back of the drive. At that point the office told me that the builder on the phone was going ape crap at them! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: The moral of that little story is that you can try to do your best for people, and it will never be enough. You will get the blame for other peoples stupidity or lack of thought and planning!

With Class 1 pallet multi-drop it’s completely different, it’s generally to industrial estates dealing with people who’s actual job is to unload wagons, and not suffering the obviously deliberate annoyance that you’re distracting them from dealing with something else… You do get the odd bellend, but on the whole it’s a lot less confrontational, and if the site is a bit tight, the staff will help you get out. I never got that driving an oversized VAN! :laughing: I won’t deny that the driving and reversing aspects in an artic are a little more scary, as I’ve driven in to a few places and instantly thoughts: How the hell do I get out of here? :laughing: But that will diminish with more practice and experience, plus I’m happier to face that, than the moronic general public as frequently…

P.S. Did a drop of 18 pallets into a well known pharmaceutical company just over a week ago. I reversed onto the bay, handed over my keys and asked to use the toilet. Got told the nearest one was out of order, and to use the ones over by the staff canteen. 30 minutes later after a huge plate of Haddock and Chips for £2.50, I got back to the truck to find it unloaded! :grimacing: You don’t get that on Class 2 multi-drop pal! :wink:

What a hero you are!

I quite often have a read on the forum but very rarely feel the need to post anything on here.

From what I can make out from your constant posts, replies and opinions you are quite new to truck driving. If this this is the case you don’t half think you know it all and I can honestly say from all the ops who post on here you are the one who pis### me off the most!

Did you leave your sense of humour at your last drop? in the main they are mostly light hearted craic do you not recognise a bit of banter when you see it, the long dark nights must really fly by in your house of fun

I’ve got quite a good sense of humour but I’ve got a very low tolerance when comes to bull sh#t! I don’t really count calling someone a coffin dodger as fun! If you do then you obviously have a very strange sense of humour!

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Coolrider:
I’ve got quite a good sense of humour but I’ve got a very low tolerance when comes to bull sh#t! I don’t really count calling someone a coffin dodger as fun! If you do then you obviously have a very strange sense of humour!

And who did I direct the comment towards?
So what’s it got to do with you■■?

Juddian has a sense of humour…

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Evil8Beezle:

Coolrider:
I’ve got quite a good sense of humour but I’ve got a very low tolerance when comes to bull sh#t! I don’t really count calling someone a coffin dodger as fun! If you do then you obviously have a very strange sense of humour!

And who did I direct the comment towards?
So what’s it got to do with you■■?

Juddian has a sense of humour…

When you post something a public forum it’s got something to do with everyone.

Sounds like I’ve touched some nerves here :smiley:

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Evil8Beezle:

Coolrider:
I’ve got quite a good sense of humour but I’ve got a very low tolerance when comes to bull sh#t! I don’t really count calling someone a coffin dodger as fun! If you do then you obviously have a very strange sense of humour!

And who did I direct the comment towards?
So what’s it got to do with you■■?

Juddian has a sense of humour…

For some reason, the label, “coffin dodger” seems to really rankle with some people. Some even get offended on behalf of others… I don’t get it personally, I guess you have be of a certain age…

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Coolrider:
When you post something a public forum it’s got something to do with everyone.

Sounds like I’ve touched some nerves here :smiley:

Really? So your comment about forgetting more than I’ve yet to learn, isn’t a derogatory comment to Newbies then?
Gives you the right to talk down to people does it? :unamused:

And you’ll have to try an awful lot harder to annoy me, as at the moment your ineptitude amuses me! :smiley:

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Evil8Beezle:

Coolrider:
When you post something a public forum it’s got something to do with everyone.

Sounds like I’ve touched some nerves here :smiley:

Really? So your comment about forgetting more than I’ve yet to learn, isn’t a derogatory comment to Newbies then?
Gives you the right to talk down to people does it? :unamused:

And you’ll have to try an awful lot harder to annoy me, as at the moment your ineptitude amuses me! :smiley:

NO Not newbies in general just you.
I’ve no problem with newbies at all and have helped many over the years. However you seem to have this opinion, the way you come across on here anyway, off being a cut above and when someone tells you exactly what they think off you you become very defensive.

I don’t get into any arguments on social media and I’m not saying anything on here I would not say to your face, probably more to you face to be fair!

I’ve said my peace its my opinion and I certainly won’t be changing it. In fact Your responses have just reinforced what I already thought!

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E8b mate, I’ve commented on here before about how your cockiness has developed from when you came on here first as inoffensive Mr Humblenewbie. :smiley:

I have to say that nowadays you are more cockier than a guy called Mr ■■■■ who owns a ■■■■ farm and takes a ■■■■ to a ■■■■ fighting contest after eating ■■■■ au vin with his ■■■■ out
:wink: :smiley: .
In fact you are starting to make me look like dozy. :smiley:

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Rob. My point about lack of PAS was the following.

If it wasn’t available to us today, the drivers nowadays would be just as good as yesteryear. Obviously not having power steering would make the task harder, but you lot managed it ok, so why wouldn’t we?

It’s similar to all the ■■■■■■■■ about sat nav’s. Bridge strikes still happened years ago. Driver’s still made mistakes with A-Z’s etc.

Albion constantly makes out that he is the ■■■■■■■■. When in fact, he simply talks it. But you ARE correct about one thing.

BEEZLE IS A ■■■■,LOL!!

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eagerbeaver:
Rob. My point about lack of PAS was the following.

If it wasn’t available to us today, the drivers nowadays would be just as good as yesteryear. Obviously not having power steering would make the task harder, but you lot managed it ok, so why wouldn’t we?

Yeh ok, I know what you mean.

I had a 4 wheeler TKBedford no pas, which wasn’t too bad, but I went arse about face on pas artics. The last job I had before buying my first motor was a 1 year old Volvo F10, pure luxury in it’s day. I bought an 8yr old Atkinson Borderer split windscreen jobbie, no pas, what a shock to the system that was, good workhorse but so rough and ready… I used to carry a greasegun around with me and grease the kingpins when I was parked up for the night, I kid you not :laughing:
I wasn’t the best at reversing on the Volvo, but Christ how the skill developed on the old Atki. :smiley:

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Coolrider:

Evil8Beezle:

Coolrider:
When you post something a public forum it’s got something to do with everyone.

Sounds like I’ve touched some nerves here :smiley:

Really? So your comment about forgetting more than I’ve yet to learn, isn’t a derogatory comment to Newbies then?
Gives you the right to talk down to people does it? :unamused:

And you’ll have to try an awful lot harder to annoy me, as at the moment your ineptitude amuses me! :smiley:

NO Not newbies in general just you.
I’ve no problem with newbies at all and have helped many over the years. However you seem to have this opinion, the way you come across on here anyway, off being a cut above and when someone tells you exactly what they think off you you become very defensive.

I don’t get into any arguments on social media and I’m not saying anything on here I would not say to your face, probably more to you face to be fair!

I’ve said my peace its my opinion and I certainly won’t be changing it. In fact Your responses have just reinforced what I already thought!

How have I become defensive? It’s simply a case of you attempting to try and antagonize me, and me repaying the compliment…
Plus if you don’t like to argue on social media, then why start one? You instigated this…

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Unoffended coffin dodger here.

Jesus wept this isn’t nuns net or kitting circle its a bunch of hairy arsed, well hopefully the lady members arn’t so blessed, lorry drivers who prattle on about lorry stuff talking various amounts of ■■■■■■■■ depending on their viewpoint.

We’ve all got some input here, some of us have been doing it a long time, some of us who have been doing it a long time still haven’t got a bloody clue what we’re doing, been at the job for 40 years doesn’t necessarily mean we’re 40 years good, just as someone who’s been doing it for 2 years might be learning quick and damned good already or they might be another useless plonker in the making leaving a trail of destruction behind as they flit from agency to agency.

On the point of unpowered steering, well it was of a time, my lovely lady wife had her own removals lorry in times gone by and that didn’t have power steering so she knows all about pulling on heavy things… :smiling_imp: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

I started on the lorries without power steering, and i get where Robroy is coming from but i’d put it another way in that what it did do was to sharpen up your manoeuvering bloody quick, you had to learn damned quick to minimise the shunts and to minimise the amount of lock you put on, after about three full lock to lock shunts fully loaded even if you were a strong bloke you’d be slowing up fast, you’d have one leg up against the dash to brace yourself and you’d be hauling the bloody wheel through like pulling an anchor in, course you tried your best to put the lock on whilst still moving to minimise the strain involved…and of course lorry work of the time heavily (being the operative word) involved roped and sheeted loads, some handball, try 21 tons of 1cwt bags of fertiliser at a time, so it was of its day a job generally for strong people…the ladies doing it that time were tough and strong, had to be, which was often inconsistent with their appearance and the way they spoke.

However in those days, which arn’t so long ago, there was a cameraderie which has all but vanished, so somewhere which was a pig to get in if there was another driver there he or she would help guide you in and give you a hand to fold your sheets when you’d got then undone.
Also the lorries were nearly all day cabs, and yes whilst they might only have a pair (if you were lucky) of unheated flat mirrors each side which you’d have to adjust by hand, but nearly all lorries had a decent back window to look through for your blind side reverses.

Oh and by the way, a couple of posters on another thread have mentioned spinning round to back in your good side instead of blind siding…well, that wasn’t an option in teh good old bad old days, you didn’t spin lorries round ripping the treads off the trailer tyres for no good reason (or you’d be severely bollocked if caught), you had to learn to back in on your blind as well and your good side…if you had to turn round somewhere you did a three point turn as you would reversing into a side road to turn…those of us steeped in those ways still do this and take other steps that modern lorries help with to lessen tyre and suspension wear, such as lifting the tractor mid lift when off road especially manoeuvering.

Anyway, back to the coffin dodging, any bloody lorry driver who lacks a sense of humour had better find themselves another line of work pretty damned quick, or the lunacy of the modern job modern bosses modern lorries modern people generally who are in most cases arse holes of the first order, will soon have you popping pills or worse, the job is bonkers most of the time, you work for idiots, you work with idiots, you get progressively more modern lorries which with each new incarnation are less able to do a days bloody work without some bloody fault developing, so a sense of hunour is essential to stop you doing a Michael Douglas in that there film he did the name of which escapes me cos me memory’s shot to buggery, ■■■■■■■■.

Anyway, Evil is gunna suffer in his own good time for being a cheeky sod to his elders, cos when this old bleeder kicks the bucket he’s going to haunt the little bleeder till the end of days… :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: