Unfair Haulier vs Illegal Immigrant system

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THIS issue is really winding me up. :angry: :smiling_imp:

In my mind it IS unfair, because the punishments meted out to drivers and their haulier employers is a palming off because the Authorities won’t act by increasing customs staff, police, and even armed forces.

It’s all about saving money, and persecuting the wrong people, - The issues the Conservatives have already been famous for.

On this issue - the public, having already beeen deemed by our iliiustrious government to “Hate the Trucker” - are quite happy for the authorities to now shaft us, and move the blame away from anything to do with the establishment - straignt onto the life blood of UK industry.

It’s illegal for us to act of course… All effective “industrial action” has already been rendered illegal by subtle law changes over the past years.

I think it’s for Hauliers to make a stand - with the full backing of their staff, who depend upon their haulier employer for their livlihoods after all.

What say the community?

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Nice sentiment but it’ll never happen as long as I’ve got a hole in my arse.

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I’m surprised something the size of the RHA doesn’t mount a legal challenge.
Drivers and hauliers are being fined for being victims of crime.

Or maybe you take a pragmatic approach. Let some illegal immigrants in the back of your truck @ £1000 a head. If you are not caught nice earner, if you are you break even :smiling_imp: .

Or secondly don’t bother with cross channel work trough Calais. Let some other mug do it.
If the authorities continue to fail to deal with the problem there will be no business sense in doing it.

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The media are quick to report cases where drivers have taken bribes to let 'em through. Doesn’t seem to be much in the way of British truckers taking bungs though - so far at least.

Why can’t this opportunity be used to introduce a huge tax at the port of entry upon any foreign truck entering this country?

If the UK can pass a law of it’s own, and Brussels says it’s “Illegal”, then we either decide we’re owned by Brussels, or we have the referendum and leave.
Our goverment has no legitimacy IF we are no longer a sovereign state. It’s a puppet government at best. The Conservatives should stand down, and let a Brussels-appointed official come over here and rule us instead - openly. THIS does not happen of course, because THAT at least would probably spark a revolution. The people of this country put their hand up to getting bombed and murdered by the Germans in two world wars - when they could have just said “Let’s stay out of it”. THAT spirit of the British people needs to return, and not merely file into the Tory X polling booth, which might as well be the gas chambers as to what it’s doing for this country’s future.

Conspiracy theory of the week
The last election result was rigged. Too many people are losing out with too few “silent” Tory voters gaining - for the Conservatives to have gained a majority so easily.
650 MPs are far too many - if we’re not a sovereign state as well. Notice how the new kids on the block are generally keeping their heads down. They’re not all Mahri Black, but she’s the only one we seem to get to hear about…

Downtons have already been on the news regarding how much money they are losing regarding the Euro operation. Would it be another conspiracy theory to suggest that this government would actually LIKE it if ALL imported and exported haulage were done by non-UK hauliers?

If there’s any truth in it - the government wish to do to hauliers what Thatcher did to the Miners. Remember, laws have been passed in advance that STOP any peaceful protest BY hauliers as well.
NOW is the time for some kind of merging of the Road Haulage Association, Driver’s Unions, and any driver-specialist agency as well.

I can see a scenario where non-driver specialist agencies attempt to get their shower to cross picket lines of full timers standing alongside driver specialist/contractor agency drivers - with the useful side effect that a few of the half-hearted non-specialist agencies might pull out of the driver side of the business.

Since being agency myself, I have been asked (for the first time by that particular agency to boot!) to take a job that I happen to have found out already - involves crossing a picket line.
I, of course won’t let myself be used thus. I’ve turned down £20ph before from a London agency wanting to get me into Park Royal across a picket line… Sorry bud, no deal. Bloody cheek they even left it until a strike before considering offering me work to start with anyways! :open_mouth: :imp:

In the end, I never did any shifts at all for that particular agency of course. Kinda burned my bridges there. Didn’t cost me nowt though! :slight_smile:

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I see many trailers unloaded from the ferries at Dover by the shunters, what happens if illegals are found in those after they have been collected by drivers at Dover? Who gets fined, the shunter driver in France or Dover, or the ships captain who actually transported them.

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Winseer:
THIS issue is really winding me up. :angry: :smiling_imp:
Calais migrant crisis: Hauliers owe £4m in fines - BBC News

What say the community?

Just listening to J Vine show on R2, it was pleasantly surprising to hear how many comments there were from the public, agreeing that it is unfair. There was only bloke on saying that there should be tighter security systems on the trailers and even he accepted that it was an unpleasant situation for the drivers.

Comments on non-truck forums and various newspapers have been relatively positive.

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This is insane, to fine a driver who found e reported illegals in the lorry :imp:

In one case, a lorry driver was issued with a £19,500 fine, despite calling police when he discovered around a dozen people inside his trailer while driving on the M25.

theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 … ert-police

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Martin:
I see many trailers unloaded from the ferries at Dover by the shunters, what happens if illegals are found in those after they have been collected by drivers at Dover? Who gets fined, the shunter driver in France or Dover, or the ships captain who actually transported them.

Could be in a secure area and then they have probably been checked and cleared before loading?

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Winseer:
THIS issue is really winding me up. :angry: :smiling_imp:
Calais migrant crisis: Hauliers owe £4m in fines - BBC News

In my mind it IS unfair, because the punishments meted out to drivers and their haulier employers is a palming off because the Authorities won’t act by increasing customs staff, police, and even armed forces.

It’s all about saving money, and persecuting the wrong people, - The issues the Conservatives have already been famous for.

On this issue - the public, having already beeen deemed by our iliiustrious government to “Hate the Trucker” - are quite happy for the authorities to now shaft us, and move the blame away from anything to do with the establishment - straignt onto the life blood of UK industry.

It’s illegal for us to act of course… All effective “industrial action” has already been rendered illegal by subtle law changes over the past years.

I think it’s for Hauliers to make a stand - with the full backing of their staff, who depend upon their haulier employer for their livlihoods after all.

What say the community?

Hauliers say the system is “unfair” but the Home Office said many lorries did not have “basic standards of security”.

Which is a bare faced lie by the homo office as there’s lots of trailers that have been secured in some way, even some like running fridge trailers with a padlock and seal on the back doors, but when people smugglers are responsible and some have keys to some type of locks , how are drivers supposed to fight this type of thing on there own,
Then you have many driver who finds or detects illegals in his trl, in the middle of the night ,they phone the police, but in most cases the police either take several hours to respond or don’t bother responding at all, then you have paid security in the heart beat shed at calais port who often do not scan your vehicle, and don’t even perform a visual check, even when asked to, leaving a choice of drop trl in france, or get a fine by telling ukba at the port you have illegals on board, even where a trailer has been secured to a reasonable standard, and the driver is able to demonstrate they have checked the trl and locks every time they have stopped from the loading point to the port or train , they are still being fined as they say that you entered the uk with em, these are the facts, and this government does not care about us drivers

Also the reporter who was sat in the cab of a truck interviewing a couple of Irish drivers was wrong by claiming/implying that all illegals trying to breaking into trucks are fleeing wars ect, again pro migration bias from the BBC

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We had a trailer come through when the queues first started and migrants smashed off the first padlock, re locked it and they smashed that off and broke the lockable door handles on the side doors.

It does make you wonder why not run with the back doors unlocked and save yourself a load of expense, particularly if it’s an easy load to walk round/see over. Get into the port/terminal and then do a check.

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Winseer:
Downtons have already been on the news regarding how much money they are losing regarding the Euro operation. Would it be another conspiracy theory to suggest that this government would actually LIKE it if ALL imported and exported haulage were done by non-UK hauliers?
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If there’s any truth in it - the government wish to do to hauliers what Thatcher did to the Miners.

It’s no secret or conspiracy that we’ve had an institutionally anti road transport pro rail establishment for at least almost a century.We can probably now add to that a behind closed doors stitch up in favour of East Euro road transport v the domestic industry as part of the ‘strategic’ aims of Eastward EU expansion.

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My wife suggested the building of an x-ray/heat detection scanning unit in Calais. Trucks drive through it prior to passport/customs controls and any discovered illegals removed. A similar unit to be built in Dover where trucks again drive through following embarkation, any illegals then found are immediately deported and costs/fines imposed on the French authorities for failing to find the illegals in the 1st chech/scan…sounds like a plan!
She also suggested the fining of the French authorities instead of UK truck drivers/hauliers…that would make the french step up I think!!!

…does such technology exist to build the above? Once the migrants realise their attempts would be 100% futile they may well decease their activities. Also, once built, the staff requirements would reduce making the unit pay for itself in time.

(should I patent this idea?)

Tazbug

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Tazbug:
A similar unit to be built in Dover where trucks again drive through following embarkation, any illegals then found are immediately deported

You do realise that our immigration policy is actually any illegals found are put into the ‘asylum’ process.Which is why they keep trying. :unamused:

Not to mention the navy’s orders to bring any found on route in the Med into Europe/Italy for obvious onward movement to UK in many cases.As opposed to taking them back to North Africa. :unamused:

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If I was in charge of UKBA I would insist on a full strip out and search of every single vehicle prior to boarding the ferry/train. This would cause absolute bedlam, but once the whole of Northern France was gridlocked you could absolutely guarantee that measures would be taken to sort this problem once and for all.

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the maoster:
If I was in charge of UKBA I would insist on a full strip out and search of every single vehicle prior to boarding the ferry/train. This would cause absolute bedlam, but once the whole of Northern France was gridlocked you could absolutely guarantee that measures would be taken to sort this problem once and for all.

The French would then obviously say they have nothing to gain and to get our border checks out of their territority and carry them out on our own shores.The answer is to change our bleeding heart immigration policy in favour of ‘repatriation’.As opposed to the default of ‘asylum’ and thereby most likely acceptance.

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Carryfast:

Tazbug:
A similar unit to be built in Dover where trucks again drive through following embarkation, any illegals then found are immediately deported

You do realise that our immigration policy is actually any illegals found are put into the ‘asylum’ process.Which is why they keep trying. :unamused:

Not to mention the navy’s orders to bring any found on route in the Med into Europe/Italy for obvious onward movement to UK in many cases.As opposed to taking them back to North Africa. :unamused:

…repatriate them then! it was only a suggestion :unamused:

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Tazbug:

Carryfast:

Tazbug:
A similar unit to be built in Dover where trucks again drive through following embarkation, any illegals then found are immediately deported

You do realise that our immigration policy is actually any illegals found are put into the ‘asylum’ process.Which is why they keep trying. :unamused:

Not to mention the navy’s orders to bring any found on route in the Med into Europe/Italy for obvious onward movement to UK in many cases.As opposed to taking them back to North Africa. :unamused:

…repatriate them then! it was only a suggestion :unamused:

Job done problem solved.IE the issue isn’t finding them it’s all about what happens ‘when’ they are found.The problem then being that it will take a UKIP government to do the job not Cameron.

Although having said that even Farage is no Le Pen in that regard.Which just leaves the possibility ( hope ) of a Le Pen/FN win in the French elections.In which case the illegals won’t even be in Calais because she’ll repatriate them for us.No doubt to shouts of ■■■■ from the Brit pro immigration agenda. :unamused:

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Carryfast:
The French would then obviously say they have nothing to gain and to get our border checks out of their territority and carry them out on our own shores.

You say that as though it would be a problem! Not so, do the checks at Folkstone and Dover then. Every vehicle disembarks and is subject to full scrutiny (say one hour per vehicle), result is very little disembarks over the day, the ferries and trains can’t move as they’re still full and the knock on is Northern France at a standstill. Don’t make this more difficult than it needs to be old bean.

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CF drones on about this:-
‘‘Not to mention the navy’s orders to bring any found on route in the Med into Europe/Italy for obvious onward movement to UK in many cases.As opposed to taking them back to North Africa.’’

Cant imagine what the reception would be like for a British warship arriving at a port in either Libya or Algeria, don’t think it would be pleasant !!

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raymundo:
CF drones on about this:-
‘‘Not to mention the navy’s orders to bring any found on route in the Med into Europe/Italy for obvious onward movement to UK in many cases.As opposed to taking them back to North Africa.’’

Cant imagine what the reception would be like for a British warship arriving at a port in either Libya or Algeria, don’t think it would be pleasant !!

We’ve got scheduled British Airways flights going to Algiers at least amongst plenty of other Euro-North Africa ferry and air links so North Africa isn’t exactly a war zone.Bearing in mind the life saving rescue nature of the reason for entry.