More details here… good news for once
commercialmotor.com/roaduserlevy
The net gain for the domestic road transport industry seems to be little or nothing,or maybe even a loss in some cases.While the government get loads of money from foreign wagons in which case,just like the Swiss motorway vignette system for cars,seem to getting hit with a year’s worth of road taxation regardless of the fact that they might only be running here for a matter of weeks or months as a proportion of the year.It seems to me that it’s just a typical government rip off dressed up to look like a good deal for the domestic industry while hiding behind so called EU rules in regards to doing something better.
If the government ( rightly ) wanted to protect the domestic road transport industry from excessive foreign competition then there’s nothing stopping it doing that in an honest way,that really does benefit the Brits.By introducing quotas on all UK-European etc freight journeys and use the VETO/opt out in regards to the proposed ending of cabotage protection.Then if the EU don’t like it and won’t accept it that’s another good reason to leave it.
As for this idea no suprise it just seems like a smoke and mirrors excercise to increase the government’s take from the road transport industry as a whole regardless of where the wagon is registered.While it’s obvious that the British fleet that we’ve got left doing international work will probably find itself facing similar action in other EU countries when those governments realise that they can get a year’s worth of road tax out of every wagon,in many cases for just a few month’s,possibly weeks,worth of running in each member state they happen to run through.
Every year there are around 1.5 million trips to the UK by foreign registered lorries but none of them pays to use our roads, leaving UK businesses and taxpayers to foot the bill. In contrast, when UK hauliers travel abroad then in most cases they have to pay to use the roads.
so each lorry here 1-2 day.if per day abot 10 pound ,per years can charge 20-30 million pound.what for this money can change or build.couple lay bay or 500 yard road…may be it is good but nothing change.and big money go just for administartion,copmuter program and…
Any tax paid by johnny foreigner just goes on the bill to the uk importer/customer and gets taged on to the uk publics bill to buy the goods imported. Least the gov could do is use the money specifically for road maintenance to repair all the pot holes in the road network of which i’ve noticed a lot more of lately rather than spend it on the trident replacement.
Andrejs:
Every year there are around 1.5 million trips to the UK by foreign registered lorries but none of them pays to use our roads, leaving UK businesses and taxpayers to foot the bill. In contrast, when UK hauliers travel abroad then in most cases they have to pay to use the roads.
so each lorry here 1-2 day.if per day abot 10 pound ,per years can charge 20-30 million pound.what for this money can change or build.couple lay bay or 500 yard road…may be it is good but nothing change.and big money go just for administartion,copmuter program and…
The government have always received loads more money in road user taxation in the form of road fuel taxation combined with VED than they’ve ever spent on the roads.Most of it goes into the general tax take.At best they just keep adding more overtaking lanes to motorways and then put a 50 mph limit on them afterwards to get even more back in speeding fines.
Anyone who’s driven a car regularly from here to Italy using the Swiss and the French motorways can see where all this is heading.Everyone will just be subject to a year’s worth of road tax,in one form or another,in each member state,regardless of the amount of time or mileage they actually do over the course of that ‘year’ in each member state.
Andrejs:
Every year there are around 1.5 million trips to the UK by foreign registered lorries but none of them pays to use our roads, leaving UK businesses and taxpayers to foot the bill. In contrast, when UK hauliers travel abroad then in most cases they have to pay to use the roads.
That’s the same logic that the Swiss used when they introduced the motorway vignette for cars.Now instead of the French and Italians using the Swiss roads for free while the Swiss had to pay to use theirs now everyone pays a year’s worth of road tax to use the Swiss motorways.Including the Swiss.
When uk hauliers travel abroad I don’t think they pay a year’s worth of tax in each state.They just pay for the mileage they do or time spent .No surprise that when the foreign governments see this idea that will all change to just one big minimum blanket yearly charge in each seperate member state.You can bet it won’t be cheap just like the Swiss car motorway vignette.
big question one.if goverment collect 30 million .what can changde for this money what was collected from foreigh truck.??and second if goverment collect this million,they must spend all money for improve truck drivers live-extra lay by,services with normal price.for truck drivers not very important how nice looking some barrier or ,or.for truckers much more important how easy can found place to break.,direction sign
6 pages?
Certainly a good thing this has finally gone through but i cant help but think UK hauliers WILL end up paying more than they do now, maybe not at first but at some point.
Don’t other countries pay a fee when driving in there countries?
Seems like a good thing, and it goes some way to levelling the playing field which can’t be a bad thing.
Good news, how? Its another tax for uk wagons as well as foreigners. And yes initially they will dress mutton as lamb by reducing VED but in years to come it will be another stick to beat up hauliers for more revenue for the treasury.
merc0447:
Good news, how?Its another tax for uk wagons as well as foreigners. And yes initially they will dress mutton as lamb by reducing VED but in years to come it will be another stick to beat up hauliers for more revenue for the treasury.
^ This.
The articles seemed pretty vague on the charges to uk trucks, but as I’ve understood it from other publication of the proposals, you will get the equivalent charged refunded against ved. Ie a thousand off 1200. But what if you’ve got a euro 5 with rpc and pay 700 quid? You’ll be 300 quid worse off. Or is this all different now?
Because of EU law ALL trucks have to be charged in the same way. This is why UK hauliers will have to claim it back. If they dont charge UK hauliers then they can’t charge anybody.
just read this bit on commercial motor website
Under the legislation, it will be an offence not to pay the charge. It will be also an offence to drive a truck if the levy has not been paid, therefore the driver of the vehicle will be the initial offender. However, the person liable for paying the levy will have also committed an offence. A website will be available for drivers to check that a charge has been paid for the vehicle they are driving. The DVLA will be able to enforce against UK vehicles that have not paid using their own records. The DVA will be responsible for administering this in Northern Ireland. If the appropriate levy has not been paid, the vehicle licence will be refused.
Vosa and the police will have the powers to enforce the charge at the roadside with fines. For drivers that are unable to provide a UK address, on-the-spot fines of £200 will be issued, with the vehicle immobilised until this is paid. The use of automatic number plate recognition technology will assist Vosa’s enforcement of the levy, with checks likely to take place at or near ports. Fixed penalty notices will also be issued, and if it goes as far as court, as maximum fine of £5,000 will be imposed.
so more fines for us then, and what about it at 3 in the morning looking to make sure there’d paid
so if the UK company you work for does not pay, your only option is not to take it out,
delboytwo:
just read this bit on commercial motor websiteUnder the legislation, it will be an offence not to pay the charge. It will be also an offence to drive a truck if the levy has not been paid, therefore the driver of the vehicle will be the initial offender. However, the person liable for paying the levy will have also committed an offence. A website will be available for drivers to check that a charge has been paid for the vehicle they are driving. The DVLA will be able to enforce against UK vehicles that have not paid using their own records. The DVA will be responsible for administering this in Northern Ireland. If the appropriate levy has not been paid, the vehicle licence will be refused.
Vosa and the police will have the powers to enforce the charge at the roadside with fines. For drivers that are unable to provide a UK address, on-the-spot fines of £200 will be issued, with the vehicle immobilised until this is paid. The use of automatic number plate recognition technology will assist Vosa’s enforcement of the levy, with checks likely to take place at or near ports. Fixed penalty notices will also be issued, and if it goes as far as court, as maximum fine of £5,000 will be imposed.so more fines for us then, and what about it at 3 in the morning looking to make sure there’d paid
so if the UK company you work for does not pay, your only option is not to take it out,
So a more draconian version of the London congestion charge and VED which criminalises drivers for the operator’s offence.It’s obvious that the DVLA won’t have a data base of foreign registered wagons who’ll probably just ignore it just as in the case of the congestion charge.While you can bet that the law won’t bother to chase loads of foreign wagons through their home registration data base assuming every one unloaded off the boat at Dover hasn’t bothered to pay up.
It’s not perfect but its a start. But as carryfast says how many forgiven trucks will ignore it and get away with it. This shouldn’t be the case it should be that a foreign truck shouldn’t be allowed on a ferry or the train until its been paid. Could be also a way to guard against cabbotage as they shouldn’t be here more than seven days.
Realy though it should be how it is here in Canada we can load in to the USA but can only reload there back to Canada not internally in the states.
TIR is different but if a in the eu day a British truck loads for Italy he should only be able to reload in Italy for the UK and vice versa.
kr79:
Realy though it should be how it is here in Canada we can load in to the USA but can only reload there back to Canada.
a British truck loads for Italy he should only be able to reload in Italy for the UK and vice versa.
^ This.
Bearing in mind Britain’s use of VETO’s and opt outs concerning other issues when it suits it then that would probably have been doable even within our present membership.Which not only would have helped the British road transport industry but also others like the Spanish and the Italian ones.It would also stop the effective flagging out of trucks looking for the cheapest operating country.
IE it would create a situation in which incoming and outgoing loads from/to whatever country would only benefit those countries’ transport industries not third party cheap haulage operations cherry picking work that has nothing to do with their own economies.Such as in the case of the example of Mexican oerators being able to haul freight between USA and Canada at some point in the future.If the US and Canadian governments can stop that under NAFTA regs then obviously the same regs should apply in the case of the EU.
However no surprise the British government aren’t going to do anything that would make the long distance international sector of the uk road transport industry stronger for obvious reasons.Which is obviously the difference between the uk government’s attitudes to the industry compared to the Canadian one.