Trump comes up trumps for truckers

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eagerbeaver:
He also refused to take his wage when he became president which I thought was a decent gesture.

"Before being inaugurated as president, Trump moved his businesses into a revocable trust run by his eldest sons and a business associate.[167][168] According to ethics experts, as long as Trump continues to profit from his businesses, the measures taken by Trump do not help to avoid conflicts of interest.[169] Because Trump would have knowledge of how his administration’s policies would affect his businesses, ethics experts recommend that Trump sell off his businesses.[168] While Trump said his organization would eschew “new foreign deals”, the Trump Organization has since pursued expansions of its operations in Dubai, Scotland, and the Dominican Republic.[169]

Multiple lawsuits have been filed alleging that Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution, which forbids presidents from taking money from foreign governments, due to his business interests; they argue that these interests allow foreign governments to influence him.[169][170] Previous presidents in the modern era have either divested their holdings or put them in blind trusts,[167] and he is the first president to be sued over the emoluments clause.[170] According to The Guardian, “NBC News recently calculated that representatives of at least 22 foreign governments – including some facing charges of corruption or human rights abuses such as Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Turkey and the Philippines – seem to have spent funds at Trump properties while he has been president.”[171] On October 21, 2019, Trump mocked the Emoluments Clause as “phony”.[172]"

All lifted from Wikipedia where the original sources can be checked.

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From the few friends I have made in the USA I find to a “man,” they find Trump, an embarrassment, from the military man to the lorry driver, from the housewife to the bar worker, from my cousins wife and friends they tell me what they are really hearing from him, and not what we are told by his favourite false news channels.

He likes to see his name in lights, on buildings and on TV. Its all staged.

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Franglais:

switchlogic:

Juddian:
Trump’s a shrewd businessman at the end of the day,

He really isn’t. Hes a lucky businessman. His wealth isn’t anything like he claims and indeed he probably doesn’t really know himself how much he’s worth. Watch his shambolic press conferences, he’s a moron whos only interest is himself

Those who had dealings with his 4 (?) bankrupt companies certainly were not as lucky as him. His greatest luck was having extremely rich parents, and being able to use their money and contacts.
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You’re right of course that we don’t know how much he is worth. He hasn’t kept his off repeated promises to follow most previous Presidents and publish his finances. That’s on going in the Supreme Court isn’t it?
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Businessmen look to the short term, and aren’t afraid to use bankruptcy as a tool. I don’t see that as a positive in a politician.
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There is much more to a country than just a balance sheet.

I read that Trump actually filed for bankruptcy TEN times… The art of “losing less” is just as important to one’s future wealth as “Winning More”…
Negotiating “Interest Payments” to the downside - is the easiest thing in the world, when that old Getty quote comes into play:

“If you owe the Bank a hundred thousand - you’ve got a problem. If you owe the bank a hundred million - the BANK has a problem.”

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muckles:

Franglais:

switchlogic:

Juddian:
Trump’s a shrewd businessman at the end of the day,

He really isn’t. Hes a lucky businessman. His wealth isn’t anything like he claims and indeed he probably doesn’t really know himself how much he’s worth. Watch his shambolic press conferences, he’s a moron whos only interest is himself

His greatest luck was having extremely rich parents, and being able to use their money and contacts.

Sounds like 90% of the World’s business leaders and politicians.

Trump a moron? I doubt it, an extreme narcissist most definitely, but he knows his audience, he knows who he has to please to get elected, Salute truck drivers, this plays well with many Americans, they see ordinary people like themselves being praised, it offers a positive message to people.

These are things the the Democratic party seems not to understand, you don’t get elected by minorities alone and you don’t get elected by having your main policy being a negative, you have to offer people hope, something to believe in, they’re offering Bidden and “Orange Man Bad”. A failed report, a failed impeachment, the more they go after Trump the more they’re seen as the out of touch establishment and the more Trump gains from it. Which is great if you support Trump, but very depressing and worrying if you don’t.

and It seems for the media their hated for him has consumed them so much that they incapable of rational reporting, you should see some of the original footage of things Trump has done and then the edited highlights makes a very different story, they shouldn’t need to do that plenty of gaffs without doctoring footage, which is then picked up on and discredits them.

Trump - isn’t a professional policitian, nor has he ever been.
Before he was elected, that was supposed to be a reason to NOT vote for him.
Now that he is a Non-Poltiician president, he can say whatever he likes, with his “Banter” being called lies, his “Locker Room Talk” being called “Racism”, and his “Blunt Honesty” being called “Lies”.

He has his haters and his supporters.

It will be the way the rest of society in the middle votes - that decide if he gets re-elected or not.

Are they better off? They’ll vote for him if so, they’ll vote for him if they are no worse off. They’ll only NOT vote for him - if they didn’t vote for him in the first place AND have not benefited in the past four years.

Quite frankly, I can’t imagine anything that Sleepy Joe has to offer other than “Vote for me to get rid of Trump”. That’s it.
Should Biden actually pull the stroke of a lifetime and get elected - he’ll be the puppet of whoever is pulling the strings behind him… If that running mate ends up being Hitlary, Biden will probably end up incapacitated rather than dead, with the spaced-out guy being the easiest thing in the world to manipulate from behind…

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Wheel Nut:
From the few friends I have made in the USA I find to a “man,” they find Trump, an embarrassment, from the military man to the lorry driver, from the housewife to the bar worker, from my cousins wife and friends they tell me what they are really hearing from him, and not what we are told by his favourite false news channels.

He likes to see his name in lights, on buildings and on TV. Its all staged.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
how staged would that be compared to our very own laughing stock boris and his covid recovery.
they both look ridiculous and they both had covid and shrugged it off in a week or so…
if you go through life and die owing the world billions in debt,then at least you got more out of life than you put in? :slight_smile:

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Franglais:
According to ethics experts, as long as Trump continues to profit from his businesses,

Multiple lawsuits have been filed alleging that Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution,

And despite all the stories, law suits, rumours, reports, impeachment and the hours of anti Trump retoric from large sections of the US telly and millions of words printed trying to defame him, he’s still there and before the Coronavirus kicked in in the US, his approval rating was 49%, the Democrats approval seem to be pretty low. In fact impeachment seems to have helped Trump in the polls not damaged him, which isn’t surprising, as it did the same for Clinton.

Maybe if the Democrats and the media and celebrities that supports them hadn’t spent the last 4 years getting reports commissioned, looking for legal loopholes and generally just running the same narrative of “Orange Man Bad” and actually tried to offer the average American something in the form of new popular policies and leaders who could inspire, they’d be looking at an easy victory in November, instead of fighting an incumbent President with a high approval rating.

Obviously at the moment we can’t predict how the Coronavirus will leave either Trump’s or the Democratic party or Bidden’s popularity.

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Watch the market.

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muckles:

Franglais:
According to ethics experts, as long as Trump continues to profit from his businesses,

Multiple lawsuits have been filed alleging that Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution,

And despite all the stories, law suits, rumours, reports, impeachment and the hours of anti Trump retoric from large sections of the US telly and millions of words printed trying to defame him, he’s still there and before the Coronavirus kicked in in the US, his approval rating was 49%, the Democrats approval seem to be pretty low. In fact impeachment seems to have helped Trump in the polls not damaged him, which isn’t surprising, as it did the same for Clinton.

Maybe if the Democrats and the media and celebrities that supports them hadn’t spent the last 4 years getting reports commissioned, looking for legal loopholes and generally just running the same narrative of “Orange Man Bad” and actually tried to offer the average American something in the form of new popular policies and leaders who could inspire, they’d be looking at an easy victory in November, instead of fighting an incumbent President with a high approval rating.

Obviously at the moment we can’t predict how the Coronavirus will leave either Trump’s or the Democratic party or Bidden’s popularity.

I wont argue with anything youve said there. (But I`ll just point out I was quoting Wiki.)
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Politically, looking around the world…there seems to be a dearth of quality leadership.
Is it that our leaders were always this bad, but now we are more aware?
Or do we look for shallow, cheap, quick fixes?
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Not we members of TNUK, obviously. Just…the…“others”

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Franglais:

muckles:

Franglais:
According to ethics experts, as long as Trump continues to profit from his businesses,

Multiple lawsuits have been filed alleging that Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution,

And despite all the stories, law suits, rumours, reports, impeachment and the hours of anti Trump retoric from large sections of the US telly and millions of words printed trying to defame him, he’s still there.

Maybe if the Democrats and the media and celebrities that supports them hadn’t spent the last 4 years getting reports commissioned, looking for legal loopholes and generally just running the same narrative of “Orange Man Bad” and actually tried to offer the average American something in the form of new popular policies and leaders who could inspire, they’d be looking at an easy victory in November, instead of fighting an incumbent President with a high approval rating.

I wont argue with anything youve said there. (But I`ll just point out I was quoting Wiki.)
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Politically, looking around the world…there seems to be a dearth of quality leadership.
Is it that our leaders were always this bad, but now we are more aware?
Or do we look for shallow, cheap, quick fixes?
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Not we members of TNUK, obviously. Just…the…“others”

Except for some exceptions, maybe great political leaders only become so when their legacy is reviewed in an historical context?

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muckles:

Franglais:

muckles:

Franglais:
According to ethics experts, as long as Trump continues to profit from his businesses,

Multiple lawsuits have been filed alleging that Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution,

And despite all the stories, law suits, rumours, reports, impeachment and the hours of anti Trump retoric from large sections of the US telly and millions of words printed trying to defame him, he’s still there.

Maybe if the Democrats and the media and celebrities that supports them hadn’t spent the last 4 years getting reports commissioned, looking for legal loopholes and generally just running the same narrative of “Orange Man Bad” and actually tried to offer the average American something in the form of new popular policies and leaders who could inspire, they’d be looking at an easy victory in November, instead of fighting an incumbent President with a high approval rating.

I wont argue with anything youve said there. (But I`ll just point out I was quoting Wiki.)
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Politically, looking around the world…there seems to be a dearth of quality leadership.
Is it that our leaders were always this bad, but now we are more aware?
Or do we look for shallow, cheap, quick fixes?
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Not we members of TNUK, obviously. Just…the…“others”

Except for some exceptions, maybe great political leaders only become so when their legacy is reviewed in an historical context?

Maybe those who make hard choices, with an eye to future generations, knowing they will loose the present approval of the people, are jusifiably treated better by history. Yep, I see that.
What we seem to have now are those seeking short term approval, and getting called out for it, who will get slated by history too.
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But by definition I wont be around to be proved wrong in my call !

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muckles:

eagerbeaver:

switchlogic:

Juddian:
Trump’s a shrewd businessman at the end of the day,

He really isn’t. Hes a lucky businessman. His wealth isn’t anything like he claims and indeed he probably doesn’t really know himself how much he’s worth. Watch his shambolic press conferences, he’s a moron whos only interest is himself

Lucky? Don’t think so Chief. Takes more than luck to make millions and become the world’s most powerful man…
He also refused to take his wage when he became president which I thought was a decent gesture.

Or playing to the gallery?

like I said he knows his audience and gives them what they want and can probably just about get by without the wage. :wink:

Probably is playing to his audience mate, but does genuine sentiment make a difference over perceived sentiment in politics?

I believe the guy puts the USA first and in all honesty I agree with Juddian, the fella IS shrewd. As regards the topic, who cares if he REALLY loves the truckers? As long as they like him over there and the US truckers are happy with their lot under his reign, then job done.

He seems quite healthy & happy. Seems like he has a loving family and a boat load of cash. Mixes with whoever he pleases as & when he sees fit, has millions of fans and gets to ■■■■ people off on a regular basis for his own entertainment and to top it all owns a great golf course & a couple of planes. Yep, what a moron :wink: :laughing:

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This isn’t the first time he’s had trucks at The White House , just the media choose to use choose to use rather than ignore it this time . As with everything nowadays we only know what the media tell us .
He’s not a politician for sure , hence some of the face palm speeches and tweets , but you have to hand it to him on putting America first and foremost , shame other leading statesmen/women don’t do the same . Regards a previous comment on his popularity , until the present crisis the US economy was booming under his leadership , and he would’ve probably got re elected , now nothing is certain .
Don’t get me wrong , I’m not a fan of his at all but it seems the UK press feed you guys a very biased picture of the guy , but you can’t fault his patriotism one bit .

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OwenMoney:
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Weird, not a single comment so far about the Volvo on the left of pic ?

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3 wheeler:

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Weird, not a single comment so far about the Volvo on the left of pic ?

The dodgy looking geezers eyeing up the diesel tank?

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OwenMoney:
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As someone who isn’t a fan of an audience. I wouldn’t want to have to reverse those out of that situation and not mess up the grass.

Thousands of people, media, cameras and coppers watching you. No thank you.

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flat to the mat:
This isn’t the first time he’s had trucks at The White House , just the media choose to use choose to use rather than ignore it this time . As with everything nowadays we only know what the media tell us .
He’s not a politician for sure , hence some of the face palm speeches and tweets , but you have to hand it to him on putting America first and foremost , shame other leading statesmen/women don’t do the same . Regards a previous comment on his popularity , until the present crisis the US economy was booming under his leadership , and he would’ve probably got re elected , now nothing is certain .
Don’t get me wrong , I’m not a fan of his at all but it seems the UK press feed you guys a very biased picture of the guy , but you can’t fault his patriotism one bit .

Who’s to say that the entire reason for this “Conspiracy” is that if you put enough people out of work - entire swathes of fairly-recently elected Right Wingers - are all brought down at once, because there was no other way to bring them down other than crashing the economies into the brick walls of “over-blown Crisis lockdowns”…

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Winseer:

flat to the mat:
This isn’t the first time he’s had trucks at The White House , just the media choose to use choose to use rather than ignore it this time . As with everything nowadays we only know what the media tell us .
He’s not a politician for sure , hence some of the face palm speeches and tweets , but you have to hand it to him on putting America first and foremost , shame other leading statesmen/women don’t do the same . Regards a previous comment on his popularity , until the present crisis the US economy was booming under his leadership , and he would’ve probably got re elected , now nothing is certain .
Don’t get me wrong , I’m not a fan of his at all but it seems the UK press feed you guys a very biased picture of the guy , but you can’t fault his patriotism one bit .

Who’s to say that the entire reason for this “Conspiracy” is that if you put enough people out of work - entire swathes of fairly-recently elected Right Wingers - are all brought down at once, because there was no other way to bring them down other than crashing the economies into the brick walls of “over-blown Crisis lockdowns”…

Nurse, he’s off his meds again.

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Same as it ever was. :smiley:
youtu.be/nSuregWhlWk

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A question on Quora was asked: Why do British people not like Donald Trump?”

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from the UK wrote the following response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, ■■■■ Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

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