So they can screw up their engine why else? Does an engine loads of good to start from cold and not do any work to reach operating temp.Pistons love it as diesel washes the oil off the liners because it condenses out on cold liner walls and polishes the rings up to a lovely gas leaking mirror finish and dilutes the oil in the sump.
Gearboxes love it too as the layshaft sits there doing bugger all instead of rotating and chucking oil up on to the mainshaft syncro hubs,selector forks and bearings.
And the cat just loves having neat half burnt diesel pumped into it for 10 minutes first thing every morning does the matrix plating a world of good.
Have you tried parking where there’s less chance of other nasty lorries being near by?
I let mine idle for a bit. Apart from it sloshing a bit of oil about and clearing the misty windscreen, You will hear things that may need investigating before setting off.
My usual morning procedure.
Get up and go for a dump.
Get washed.
Make breakfast.
Check oil and water,
Start engine.
Do daily checks,
Give it a few small revs looking for excess smoke,
Get out and double check the pin. (I can’t settle unless i’ve checked it a few times).
Set off.
Engine is usually running for about 5 minutes, but no more than 10.
Milk Man:
Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines.
not read all posts but this is the first post i got to that is right. no condensation for other drivers is problem
Really, moaning about idling. How ■■■■■■■ bad do you guys sleep■■?
I do prefer to idle in the morning, firstly the v8 has 1,2 million km on the clock. the air compressor is worn, it takes time to build pressure in the air tanks. I don’t want to make a coffee, use the inverter on the same batteries I have used the heater on for maybe 10h. Maybe you guys do, but I don’t want to stand with the starter cables trying to get some help after when I found out the batteries are dead.
Some say it’s a bad idea, okay but it’s been done this way since 2006 every morning, still has original turbo, exhaust system, only eats around 2l of oil between services, still a bad idea to warm the toys up??
Icee:
Really, moaning about idling. How [zb] bad do you guys sleep■■?
I do prefer to idle in the morning, firstly the v8 has 1,2 million km on the clock. the air compressor is worn, it takes time to build pressure in the air tanks. I don’t want to make a coffee, use the inverter on the same batteries I have used the heater on for maybe 10h. Maybe you guys do, but I don’t want to stand with the starter cables trying to get some help after when I found out the batteries are dead.
Some say it’s a bad idea, okay but it’s been done this way since 2006 every morning, still has original turbo, exhaust system, only eats around 2l of oil between services, still a bad idea to warm the toys up??
Same here, I’ve actually owned trucks and run them up to intergalactic mileages mostly engine trouble-free and whilst that’s happening by letting them idle to warm up I’II carry on doing it and go on real world results rather than listen to what manufacturer’s solely interested in selling new trucks and people working on commission from the ‘spouting ■■■■■■■■ on the internet society’ have to say on it.
Bking:
So they can screw up their engine why else? Does an engine loads of good to start from cold and not do any work to reach operating temp.Pistons love it as diesel washes the oil off the liners because it condenses out on cold liner walls and polishes the rings up to a lovely gas leaking mirror finish and dilutes the oil in the sump.
Gearboxes love it too as the layshaft sits there doing bugger all instead of rotating and chucking oil up on to the mainshaft syncro hubs,selector forks and bearings.
And the cat just loves having neat half burnt diesel pumped into it for 10 minutes first thing every morning does the matrix plating a world of good.
These are professional drivers you know !!!
I’d take the actor playing the part of a lorry driver in a Yorkie bar commercial’s view on anything truck related more seriously than yours. This was a good opportunity to catalogue more gearbox components wasted though another half dozen would have been the real credibility icing on the cake.
its better for the engine to be ‘warmed up’ so to speak before moving off, lets the engine oil warm and go around the engine. cold engine is when the most damage is done,so letting it warm up is better before having to get the engine revving and/or working hard
I say, if you are planning to leave at 5am or something similar, foresake the running to get warm for just that morning, start and ■■ off quick, if you are staring at 8am or similar, run it for as long as you like before setting off, I am sure nobody would moan then.
Its surely using a bit of common sense I would have thought, you have to respect your neighbours.
I am sure none of the 15-20 min tick over guys sit in their back garden at home at 5am with the radio on full tilt or similar.
Milk Man:
Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines.
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I spent some time with a Mercedes factory driver trainer and he said that while it was proven practice in the good old days to let oil etc warm through prior to moving off, with todays modern engines, with exotic composite materials and highly developed lubricants, it is totally unnecessary to idle engines now. He went on to say that providing your air is up it is encouraged to fire up and set off straight away.
I don’t know how old your factory driver was, but that has been Mercedes recommended practice since 1418 days that I know of. Start it up and drive off immediately, but keep under 2/3rd of maximum engine speed for the first few k’s. Incidentally their recommended idle time for a cooling hot turbos is 20 seconds.
Milk Man:
Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^
I spent some time with a Mercedes factory driver trainer and he said that while it was proven practice in the good old days to let oil etc warm through prior to moving off, with todays modern engines, with exotic composite materials and highly developed lubricants, it is totally unnecessary to idle engines now. He went on to say that providing your air is up it is encouraged to fire up and set off straight away.
I don’t know how old your factory driver was, but that has been Mercedes recommended practice since 1418 days that I know of. Start it up and drive off immediately, but keep under 2/3rd of maximum engine speed for the first few k’s. Incidentally their recommended idle time for a cooling hot turbos is 20 seconds.
funny you should mention that…a friend of mine has a blinged up subaru,and when he switches it off,the engine stays running for 20 seconds.
