Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines.
Milk Man:
Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines.
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I spent some time with a Mercedes factory driver trainer and he said that while it was proven practice in the good old days to let oil etc warm through prior to moving off, with todays modern engines, with exotic composite materials and highly developed lubricants, it is totally unnecessary to idle engines now. He went on to say that providing your air is up it is encouraged to fire up and set off straight away.
Parked at redhill a couple of weeks ago, and the bulk tipper parked next to me started up his engine every hour, on the hour all through the night. At 6am when it started & didn’t stop untill he pulled away 15 mins later I was on the verge of getting very angry. When I pulled away, I retrieved my little carrier bag with milk in it from the driver’s side step (keeps it very fresh when it’s -1 outside!) I noticed the tipper driver had deposited an empty crisp packet and 2 teabags into my carrier.
Thanks mate, obviously I imagined the litter bins near the pay machine!
Used to wind me up when the culprit was from the same bloomin outfit as me and they knew you weren’t leaving till much later than them 
Our yard/mill is near houses so we’re not allowed to idle the lorries when we start at 4am. I would like to take issue with the numpty who had to stand next to my wagon, yelling on his phone when I was trying to sleep this afternoon on the Fosseway. Why he couldn’t sit i his cab and yell I don’t know.
tinytrucker77:
Used to wind me up when the culprit was from the same bloomin outfit as me and they knew you weren’t leaving till much later than them
I used to work with one of those. I once woke up & opened my curtains to find he’d lifted my wipers, turned my wing mirrors round the wrong way and put big bricks in front of my tyres. After I caught up with him, he never did it again!
pierrot 14:
Building up the air
Maybe 20 years ago in a 3600 
I understand I won’t get a noiseless sleep in a truck but we were the only 2 parked outside the (closed down) Little Chef 
If I stay in an MSA or truckstop I know it will be noisey but saying that I stayed at Alconbury and slept right through.
I was one of a few left when I woke up 
If I was in Canada and everyone was doing it then hey ho, but I aint and not all of us have to start at silly’o’clock every morning.
Seems ,like I said in my OP, that some are ignorant,stupid and unsociable and I’m not the only one that gets woken up by one of them 
dbt:
countykev:
Can anyone explain why some drivers insist on starting their truck in the morning and leaving it on tickover while they [zb], shave, wash, ■■■■, paperwork, map read or whatever they do while it’s obvious the driver next door is still trying to sleep as he has the curtains drawnI got out (and then up) to speak to the Mike Beer driver this morning after he left it running for 10 - 15 minutes while he ‘heated up the cab’ and then moved off to the fuel pump and switched off
Its not the first time I have parked next to somebody after they have settled down for the night and I try my best not to disturb anyone on arrival or when parked. I had to explain this to the MB driver as he seemed too ignorant and/or too thick to understand.
Is that it? They are just ignorant and thick and I’m reasonable in what I do.
Do they really start their car and leave it running before they move off in the morning/evening or Monday/Friday and wake the neighbours up. I expect notits better for the engine to be ‘warmed up’ so to speak before moving off, lets the engine oil warm and go around the engine. cold engine is when the most damage is done,so letting it warm up is better before having to get the engine revving and/or working hard
Bollox - modern trucks and engines can run from cold with no worries - you are talking out your arse
Indeedy, the days of heaters are long gone too! 
snowstorm:
You would never survive in a country like Canada when everyone parks up & idles at some 1500 rpm for the whole night. Running engines & noise is a fact of life in any truck park I would think. I have been in truck parks when a driver gets up to have a go at another driver about the noise he is making & in doing so wakes everyone else. Pointless really. Just turn over & go back to sleep.
we are not in ■■■■■■ Canada though you muppet - its called the UK - ambient temp - so don’t give the dicks who do it an excuse
if we ran in Canada we would expect it - but not in Nottingham - or even Oxford lol
Milk Man:
Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines.
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a friend who is a retired rolls royce engineer,reckons the best way to bring an engine up to normal operating temperature,is to use it within it`s normal operating parameters.
Get some ear plugs, problem solved. If more people made use of those little cylinders of foam, we wouldn’t have a thread like this every two days. 
We could turn this subject on it’s head and moan about all those drivers that keep their engines running when they’re parked up, so that they can have their air conditioning going and keep cool while they sleep.
Or shall we all just wait till the summer arrives
Your engine will warm up and operate most efficiently when it reaches the correct temp, quickest way to get it to warm up is to drive off straight away, no need to rag it, just go steady. You do more damage sitting there idling your cold engine, its pointless and a waste of fuel in modern engines
a friend who is a retired rolls royce engineer,reckons the best way to bring an engine up to normal operating temperature,is to use it within it`s normal operating parameters.
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pierrot 14:
We could turn this subject on it’s head and moan about all those drivers that keep their engines running when they’re parked up, so that they can have their air conditioning going and keep cool while they sleep.Or shall we all just wait till the summer arrives
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Contraflow:
Get some ear plugs, problem solved. If more people made use of those little cylinders of foam, we wouldn’t have a thread like this every two days.
Yeah, then sleep through the alarm and leave 2 hours later than planned. Sheesh!
No one mentioned battery yet?
If you use electric stuff while parked up, you get a drain on the battery.
If you use quite a bit, then starting engine, moving straight to pumps then switching off, could be the large drain needed to give you a flat battery.
I am not sure about trucks, but it is supposed to take 8 miles driving (15 mins idling) in a petrol car and 14 miles driving (30 mins idling) in a diesel car, to fully charge the battery after starting.
So personally, after starting the motor, I would let it idle.
Sometimes you have to use common sense over courtesy.
I dare say the guys that let engines idle, wont complain about others doing it.
Juddian:
Well things attitudes and practices change and some drivers unfortunately forget to turn the hymn sheet page at the precise moment.Not so long ago it was accepted practice to start your engine and run the engine warm before driving, indeed this was writ in stone in Volvo drivers handbooks, for all i know it may still be so.
Those same drivers probably let the lorry tick over for a few minutes to allow some cooling oil to wash through the turbo oilways before shutdown.
I’ll wager those drivers who warm and cool their vehicles properly have fewer breakdowns with things like turbo failures and longer vehicle and component lives than those who start and roar off with the icicles still hanging off the exhaust pipe and shut the engine down from 1500rpm with the turbo still spinning and at its max possible temperature.
I don’t stink out other lorry drivers if i can help it, but i run my engines warm and allow them to cool as i have done for a bloody lifetime, must be a right numpty me then.
I’ll be carrying on too.
+1
I don’t share other folk’s optimism that manufacturer’s are as interested in long vehicle life as they might think they are.
They quote all sorts of lengthy oil drain intervals I’d ignore too. At the end of the day, regardless of technological advances, it’s all still metal bits rubbing against each other with a bit of oil in between.
A driver moaning because everybody elses world doesn’t revolve around his !!
Whatever next
