mrginge:
Carryfast:
mrginge:
Tory for me, purely because they are on about extending the Right to Buy scheme to people in housing association properties. If i can get a good discount on my flat i can take out a bigger mortgage on it to buy the other 50% council owned so in years to come i will own my place 100% outright.
Or to put it another way no different to someone who is over dependent on state benefits of whatever sort voting Labour because the Cons want to cut their payout to give to those in your position instead. 
Whereas a ‘real’ Conservative policy would say there is no such thing as a free lunch you’ll have to save up for a deposit and pay the going market price for a house the same as anyone else and not rely on the state to fund your life style choice.IE yet more proof that the Cons are the same as Labour in being all about Socialism selectively when it suits them and Capitalism when it doesn’t.
The problem is the amount of money needed for houses now for first timers. I was lucky as i got some inheritance early because i find it hard to imagine any other way of getting on the ladder. Even then to get my 50/50 flat worth 125k at the time i had to put down just shy of 27k and then get the other 50k on a mortgage. I was 21yrs old (6yrs ago) when i did this.
It was much easier in years gone by.
Trust me,having been refused a mortgage in the early-mid 1980’s,on a £44,000 rush sale detached 4 bed house in Greater London that was worth £75,000 + at the time and well over £300,000 now.Because my less than 100 pw council driver wage wasn’t enough,even with a £12,000 deposit,you really wouldn’t want to go there.
What that did prove is that it is the idea of a ‘ladder’,which is just an institutional form of profit expectation,that is used by successive buyers to get a free upgrade every time they sell a house,which is the problem.
While the fact that it is the most heavily urbanised parts of the country like Greater London and its surrounding counties,which are the most relatively expensive areas in the country,proves that increasing the supply of houses actually just adds to the problem not solves it.With the general result that over development just results in everyone wanting to move further away where the process starts all over again.
For anyone thinking of voting Labour listen to Ed Millibands interview on the Today programme this morning if anyone thinks that this man is in anyway capable of running the country then this interview dispels this in an instant, the man is completely politically illiterate. A prime example of why people who have only been in the political system since leaving education should not be allowed to become MPs, not that any of the others are much better but the man is in cloud cuckoo land evasive unable to face facts even when presented by neutral organisations, apparently according to him may the 8th will be year zero and all lessons of the past will be conveniently forgotten. He epitomises all that is wrong with the UK’s political system.
Already postal voted for UKIP.
I couldn’t find anything in their well-written manifesto I didn’t like… Well, maybe except the essayness of it. But hey - I’m already there - aren’t I? 
http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015
mazzer:
For anyone thinking of voting Labour listen to Ed Millibands interview on the Today programme this morning if anyone thinks that this man is in anyway capable of running the country then this interview dispels this in an instant, the man is completely politically illiterate. He epitomises all that is wrong with the UK’s political system.
To be fair exactly the same thing could be said about Cameron and his LibDem cronies.Especially the recent news item in which a BBC presenter as expected represented its totally biased pro EU position and Cameron’s answer went along the lines that he agrees we must stay in.Which will also be the his and his Cons position in any referendum.
So the trucknet poll has ukip well and truly in front. But in the real world they are no where near. Be interested to see of all the people that have voted ukip on here how many will actually vote?? Very close to a big fat zero u suspect.
Usual British way …talk the talk…then hide away and let the usual brigade vote so we end up with the usual two front runners.
Might just be me do you think if we the British public could vote online the outcome would be totally different ■■ Luckington at this poll I suggest it would and that’s why we will never see online voting.
God forbid if voting day was actually a voting weekend so all those that can’t get to a polling station on a Friday could vote Saturday and Sunday. Would make sense to me but would scare the crap out of the cons and labour. Before its mentioned yes you can proxy vote or postal vote but what about the thousands upon thousands who have missed that deadline? ?
Boo9729:
So the trucknet poll has ukip well and truly in front. But in the real world they are no where near. Be interested to see of all the people that have voted ukip on here how many will actually vote?? Very close to a big fat zero u suspect.
Usual British way …talk the talk…then hide away and let the usual brigade vote so we end up with the usual two front runners.
Might just be me do you think if we the British public could vote online the outcome would be totally different ■■ Luckington at this poll I suggest it would and that’s why we will never see online voting.
God forbid if voting day was actually a voting weekend so all those that can’t get to a polling station on a Friday could vote Saturday and Sunday. Would make sense to me but would scare the crap out of the cons and labour. Before its mentioned yes you can proxy vote or postal vote but what about the thousands upon thousands who have missed that deadline? ?
I don’t see how online voting would make a blind bit of difference, it’s not as if you would change your vote just because it’s online is it? I voted in this forum one & by postal vote in the real one, both the same. Online voting might get you a bigger turnout but that would be no bad thing either I’m thinking.
Boo9729:
So the trucknet poll has ukip well and truly in front. But in the real world they are no where near. Be interested to see of all the people that have voted ukip on here how many will actually vote?? Very close to a big fat zero u suspect.
Usual British way …talk the talk.
‘The real world’ in this case being a biased pro LabLibDemCon anti UKIP media circus.Although as stated previously there is a big difference between actual vote count on an aggregate basis v the ‘real world’ multi local election system.Which is fair enough assuming Norvernors don’t want UKIP but likewise Kent and Essex etc shouldn’t have to be ruled by the northern Labour vote or Oxfordshire Cons either.
IE local government with right of veto and/or opt out is the way forward.With the win win situation of making our local MP’s locally accountable to their own electorate.Rather than giving them the excuse of saying that they don’t ‘agree’ with their own party policy which is mandated by an outside vote.
Well I wasn’t going to bother but as my brother in law is having a nightmare divorce with his estranged Czech wife, I’ll put a X for UKIP. Wont make a blind bit of difference in Cameron country but I’m doing a protest vote due to the fact she’s on legal aid and has more rights than my BIL.
Winseer:
Already postal voted for UKIP.
I couldn’t find anything in their well-written manifesto I didn’t like… Well, maybe except the essayness of it. But hey - I’m already there - aren’t I?
http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015
Only one flaw:
Manifesto = collective noun for lies…
Any party.
BeardedBlunder:
Winseer:
Already postal voted for UKIP.
I couldn’t find anything in their well-written manifesto I didn’t like… Well, maybe except the essayness of it. But hey - I’m already there - aren’t I?
http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015
Only one flaw:
Manifesto = collective noun for lies…
Any party.
Possibly, so far Farage is the only leader who’s answered every question directly and hasn’t tried to shall we say mislead us, or in some cases lied outright, you couldn’t trust the others to tell you the time…
Course one could argue that he hasn’t yet been tested, but the others have form for this, so until he proves himself every bit as bad as the others then i’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
If he proves to be as dishonourable as the rest in the future then i will be the first to condemn him…but that will be a sad day indeed as with that man and his party of ‘‘fruitcakes gadflies loons and closet racists’’ (thankyou Tories and after all the insults for not doing as you tell us you expect us to come back and vote for you, never again) lies the only hope for the Sovereign independence of Great Britain to be regained.
Make no mistake, the country as you have known it will cease to exist in the non too distant future (certainly your childrens lifetime) if we don’t do our bit to help ie voting out those who have seen it’s pitiful destruction over the last 40 years, it’s barely recognisable now except for the likes of the leafy Cotswolds where people like the current PM have their estates, enclaves like Cotswolds will become the walled security guarded private estates that places like Wokingham have had for years …housing the big business people who profit by mass immigration and tell people like us how to think and act and vote.
As lorry drivers, if we didn’t feed the nation or move building materials for homes or infrastructure construction what exactly would we be doing?..i’ll tell you what…shifting Chinese and European made tat from dock to warehouse and from thence to retail parks or car showrooms, for that virtually comprises all of our industry now, apart from the cars we assemble for foreign owned companies.
Yes i’m mentioning the cheeldren because i hope we have an answer for our grandchildren when they wonder why they are living in a crap hole in 40 years, quite possibly under at least part if not full open Sharia law…we’re going to get hundreds of thousands of Africans when those currently making the hazardous crossing from Libya (which Cameron backed by Clegg and Milliband helped destroy) are accepted the flood gates will open, who knows how many ISIS sleepers will be among those, this country is going to face an influx it hasn’t seen the like of before…its already agreed, the Germans (who are the EU) have already told EU puppet Cameron how it’s going to be and we have no choice but to obey.
Ironically although I’ll vote for UKIP I’m under no illusions that their stated immigration policy will go anywhere near far enough in sorting out the threat to the indigenous demographic and over population caused by our open door immigration policy.IE Australia had/has exactly the same issues with ‘refugees’ ( economic migrants ) flooding in from south east Asia and like here their immigration policy allowed/s them to stay ‘if’ they can make it.
As for road fuel taxation that again is probably a cross party idea for at least two reasons.In that it cuts the income tax requirement on higher/est earners and protects both the socialist ideology and big business rail transport interests.I’ve certainly seen no policy from UKIP which at least would allow trucks to use red diesel for example,let alone the required massive cutting or preferably removing the rip off road fuel tax burden across the board.
The fact is without some radical changes in outlook,which stops the cheap labour and socialist alliance policy,of the deliberate confusing of nationalism and nativism,with racism,Juddian’s correct view of the situation will be inevitable.
Here you go, instead of making stuff up have a read.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29594642
Am sure that the same poll put on a public workers forum, a technicians forum and a business forum, would all yield different results.
Just have to see what Friday morning brings and who rescinds on what pledges in the following months.
BillyHunt:
Here you go, instead of making stuff up have a read.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29594642
The way I read it is just yet more biased Socialist cheap labour alliance agenda bs.Which no surprise selectively concentrates on so called ‘legal’ immigration.
While conveniently ignoring the issue of illegal and/or so called ‘asylum’ seekers.The successful deportation of which stands at around 33%.In addition to EU immigration which is effectively an open door to anyone who can show ‘EU citizenship’.Hopefully at least the latter two issues obviously being what UKIP intends to sort out as part of ‘its’ immigration policy which at least makes it worth the UKIP vote.Although as I said UKIP’s excessive concentration on the Australian model doesn’t look good in that regard.
As opposed to the LabLibdemConSNP alliance.Bearing in mind the obvious media softening up exercise,especially by the usual BBC and Channel 4 suspects,that is already under way,regarding acceptance here of illegal African/Asian immigrants who can manage to make it to Italy or Spain.
what a load of bollox billy as per normal
i can not get into Australia for a driving job but anyone can come here for a driving job as our system is nothing like the aussie one, even in that report you just shown, it states that the goverment changed the laws for anyone unskilled coming into the country but only for people outside of the eu anyone in eu is welcome to come with nothing stopping them, this is the problem people are up in arms about
yet again billy you ignore what is real and come up with slanted rubbish which is nothing more that bollox as per normal
just face it if any of us want to live out in Australia the answer would be no, unless we have a skill they need, like drs or nurses, hence our nhs is in such a mess as our own people get trained up and then leave the country to be replaced by you know who ? English is not there native tongue. is a clue
It’s about 50:50 I’ll be writing “None of these feckless self-serving wasters” across the ballot, at least my protest is counted that way.
With no realistic prospect of a clear winner, my previous position that I should vote so I could complain either that who I voted in isn’t doing what I voted them to do, or that I didn’t vote for who’s running the show has less validity.
Whatever backroom stitch-up we end up with, NOBODYS “If we win we will ” sheets are worth as much as bog roll.
I hope it collapses repeatedly and we get elections over and over every few months till there’s a result, at least if some party gets a majority of MPs the biggest minority get as close to what they asked for as the party’s honesty results in, unless there is a majority nobody does.
desypete:
what a load of bollox billy as per normal
i can not get into Australia for a driving job but anyone can come here for a driving job as our system is nothing like the aussie one,
just face it if any of us want to live out in Australia the answer would be no, unless we have a skill they need,
Ironically and inconveniently the facts concerning Canadian and Australian immigration suggest that it is more a case of discrimination against Brits in favour of cheaper Asian labour.While just feeding us a load of bs regarding immigration and ‘skills requirements’ conditions as a cover story.IE one rule for us and another for Asian immigrants on the basis of the definition of ‘family members’ and ‘filling gaps in the workforce’. 
smh.com.au/national/asian-mi … 1g62x.html
Which is the main doubt which I’ve got concerning UKIP’s possible motives regarding its immigration policy in that regard.IE maybe they don’t want East Euro immigration if they can have Asian immigrant labour with even lower wage expectations.
Carryfast:
desypete:
what a load of bollox billy as per normal
i can not get into Australia for a driving job but anyone can come here for a driving job as our system is nothing like the aussie one,
just face it if any of us want to live out in Australia the answer would be no, unless we have a skill they need,
Ironically and inconveniently the facts concerning Canadian and Australian immigration suggest that it is more a case of discrimination against Brits in favour of cheaper Asian labour.While just feeding us a load of bs regarding immigration and ‘skills requirements’ conditions as a cover story.IE one rule for us and another for Asian immigrants on the basis of the definition of ‘family members’ and ‘filling gaps in the workforce’.
smh.com.au/national/asian-mi … 1g62x.html
Which is the main doubt which I’ve got concerning UKIP’s possible motives regarding its immigration policy in that regard.IE maybe they don’t want East Euro immigration if they can have Asian immigrant labour with even lower wage expectations.
i can take your point and to be honest with you i am surprised Australia isnt over run with Asians given its location, however the fact is we are getting far more than our fair share of people coming over here, its keeping wages down and it will of course get even worse if nothing is done.
i mean who in the right mind would want to pay a driver 1000 quid a week if he can get the job done for half of that amount ? as thats the sort of money drivers should be on is at least 1000 quid a week or 20 quid an hour
but no its down to 7 8 9 quid an hour in many places with only a few companys paying more and those that are paying more are already looking to get rid of there current staff in favour of brining in cheaper labour
so if nothing is done i really dont see any future at all for anyone in the driving game and that is just driving it is of course a huge problem for all trades around the country, as more and more cheap labour is coming to replace those who do the jobs.
the choice will be either do the same job for less money or clear off and they will let a cheap import take the job. only ukip offer me a choice so i have no idea if its part of a cunning plan or not i am willing to give them a chance to see as the other partys have had more than enough chances at running the country and every time they ■■■■ it up
so no more chances to either labour or the cons in my book its time for a real change and what is the worst that could happen if ukip turn out to be like all the rest ? we will never know until ukip are given that chance
How many people who complain about cheap immigrant workers will still pay them to wash their cars in a supermarket car park?
