harry:
This is the one that jackknifed on me.
Is it my eyes, or had that drawbar trailer got an axle at the back, an ‘A’ frame at the front and a fixed axle in the middle■■? Wierd if it has, deffo wouldn’t like going around corners!!
Ross.
Fergie47:
OssieD:
Fergie47:
adr:
RungisAnother shot of Rungis…bit earlier though…about 1970…
Isn’t that one of Jim Squibbs?
Indeed it is…
Yes Fergie47, I new Jim Squibbs, he used to do the odd Euro job for us when I worked for W & M Wood’s of Enfield, which after changing hands and names a few times became the company you know in Southampton as Roba, knew one or two of his drivers to talk too, but not by name, I’ve seen the photo’s and articles on the Southampton site brings back good memories.
Ossie
bigr250:
harry:
This is the one that jackknifed on me.
Is it my eyes, or had that drawbar trailer got an axle at the back, an ‘A’ frame at the front and a fixed axle in the middle■■? Wierd if it has, deffo wouldn’t like going around corners!!
Ross.
The middle-axle must have been self steering! If not I was gona say the tyre-scrub would be ridiculous, but those little tyres wouldn’t stay on the rims long enough to scrub!
If the middle axle is fixed and the front and rear axles turned in the same or proportional arc there would be vitually nil scrub on the tyres on the middle axle. No different than rear steer axles in general. It would have a seriously small turning circle for a wagon and drag. Ideal for the SS roads up and around the hairpins, making this vehicle very flexible in mountainous access areas.
gazzer:
If the middle axle is fixed and the front and rear axles turned in the same or proportional arc there would be vitually nil scrub on the tyres on the middle axle. No different than rear steer axles in general. It would have a seriously small turning circle for a wagon and drag. Ideal for the SS roads up and around the hairpins, making this vehicle very flexible in mountainous access areas.
That seems like a reasonable explanation, the middle axle has a full mudguard where the rear doesn’t which would support this theory.
Ross.
bigr250:
harry:
This is the one that jackknifed on me.
Is it my eyes, or had that drawbar trailer got an axle at the back, an ‘A’ frame at the front and a fixed axle in the middle■■? Wierd if it has, deffo wouldn’t like going around corners!!
Ross.
It was excellent for tight corners .It would follow perfectly the first 2 axle wheelbase of the truck. But if you got into a downhill skid the thing would act like a snake on speed. The truck had a trailing axle that was there just for Italian regs ,they were basically fitted like piano wheels . The trailer had front & rear steering axles. To reverse there was an air operated lever on the front to lock the wheels in a straight line. The reason she jackknifed was because I had no control over the loading in UK. My job was to drive to Italy & back & then another driver would do the UK turnaround. Anyway I discovered after my adventure that on that big beefy truck they had loaded 2t of plastic garden furniture; on the trailer 11t of groupage ,all at the front!
As a footnote,that trailer also had a detatchable A frame for the back axle which I attached to that fully loaded Scania with a blown gearbox. I towed that from Macon to ferry/Dover. Great fun around the Boulevard Périphérique at rush hour! Tony Burroughs had a left ■■■■■■ & I had a RHD -no CB, no telephone in those days. Poor old Tony when the cars came hurtling down the slip roads…
youtube.com/watch?v=u_-o9V2nfzc They all drive like this.
MOC:
Happy days
Top wagon that '175V was, another one gone to the eternal scrapyard 
harry:
bigr250:
harry:
This is the one that jackknifed on me.
Is it my eyes, or had that drawbar trailer got an axle at the back, an ‘A’ frame at the front and a fixed axle in the middle■■? Wierd if it has, deffo wouldn’t like going around corners!!
Ross.
It was excellent for tight corners .It would follow perfectly the first 2 axle wheelbase of the truck. But if you got into a downhill skid the thing would act like a snake on speed. The truck had a trailing axle that was there just for Italian regs ,they were basically fitted like piano wheels . The trailer had front & rear steering axles. To reverse there was an air operated lever on the front to lock the wheels in a straight line. The reason she jackknifed was because I had no control over the loading in UK. My job was to drive to Italy & back & then another driver would do the UK turnaround. Anyway I discovered after my adventure that on that big beefy truck they had loaded 2t of plastic garden furniture; on the trailer 11t of groupage ,all at the front!
As a footnote,that trailer also had a detatchable A frame for the back axle which I attached to that fully loaded Scania with a blown gearbox. I towed that from Macon to ferry/Dover. Great fun around the Boulevard Périphérique at rush hour!
youtube.com/watch?v=u_-o9V2nfzc They all drive like this.
Thanks for the explanation harry, I must say that all the trailer wheels look like they should be on a caravan!!
Ross.
Hi Harry,
Maybe it was you who gave me a lift in that Fiat road train from some where near Milan up to the Blanc back in about 75 when my Scania range change had packed up near the top and I had picked up some parts from Scania’s. I definately remember the driver telling me the reason it went so well was because it had a V8 Maggie Deutz boat engine in it, or was that a wind up?
gazzer:
If the middle axle is fixed and the front and rear axles turned in the same or proportional arc there would be vitually nil scrub on the tyres on the middle axle. No different than rear steer axles in general. It would have a seriously small turning circle for a wagon and drag. Ideal for the SS roads up and around the hairpins, making this vehicle very flexible in mountainous access areas.
Nail on the head, didn’t think of that! There we go just proves you are never too old to learn!
Cheers Chris
chazzer:
Hi Harry,
Maybe it was you who gave me a lift in that Fiat road train from some where near Milan up to the Blanc back in about 75 when my Scania range change had packed up near the top and I had picked up some parts from Scania’s. I definately remember the driver telling me the reason it went so well was because it had a V8 Maggie Deutz boat engine in it, or was that a wind up?
I used to drive the V10 Maggie road train for SCA. the FIAT had the FIAT engine. Its possible i gave you a lift but in those days on the Maggie i was deeply committed to red wine I just lurched from one breakdown to another. First trip with the Maggie .London -Turin- Milan -return = 3 weeks!!!
You would remember the FIAT because you would have been sitting on the RH side. The Mag was a left ■■■■■■.
adr:
gazzer:
If the middle axle is fixed and the front and rear axles turned in the same or proportional arc there would be vitually nil scrub on the tyres on the middle axle. No different than rear steer axles in general. It would have a seriously small turning circle for a wagon and drag. Ideal for the SS roads up and around the hairpins, making this vehicle very flexible in mountainous access areas.Nail on the head, didn’t think of that! There we go just proves you are never too old to learn!
Cheers Chris
You could keep close to the kerb & turn left from E. India Dock Rd. into Island Row ,& that was tight!
Well 
Errrrrrr, it’s from the 80s! 
adr:
Anyone recognise the Routier ( I hasten to add I don’t!), just a brain teaser!
It kinda looks familiar and I might well be miles off track but it looks like a routiers that I’ve used on the A71 between Bourges and Clermont Ferrand.
What a fleet!
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adr:
Anyone recognise the Routier ( I hasten to add I don’t!), just a brain teaser!
Near St Etienne? Same as ron, looks familiar, but then alot do after a vin rouge of an evening… 
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Regards,
Mark.
brookie:
adr:
Anyone recognise the Routier ( I hasten to add I don’t!), just a brain teaser!Near St Etienne? Same as ron, looks familiar, but then alot do after a vin rouge of an evening…
Regards,
Mark.
Maybe RN6 Auxerre area?