raymundo:
Sorry but I must disagree as in the UK now it is guilty until proven innocent, otherwise why was he not released on bail ?
raymundo, That certainly seems the way it’s going nowadays. The EU rules
Well we weren’t there, and the day I trust the daily rag to accurately report a story …
I just hope he gets a fair trial and justice (either way) is served.
harry:
Problem with drivers kangaroo courts is that they become judge and jury . Kid on his first trip to Maroc got mugged in Tanger. Lost the sight of one eye and his job. The drivers had an inquest. The question they asked was when he left the Marco Polo did he turn left or right? If he turned left he was going back to truck ,if he turned right he was looking for gals. Anyway they stitched him up real good and gave the info to the boss who never paid a penny compo. Drivers that condemn their mates are as low as as you can get IMO .
Nurse, I think his tablets have worn off,
Brilliant,Del. If all else fails go for the personal attack - hang on? That was your first choice,straight out of the script of the pearly king handbook .
He does seem to be hung drawn and quartered on here, pity we didn’t do that to the Yorkshire Ripper, he was a lorry driver in case you forgot.
Ossie
Cotswoldcrunch:
Never experienced road rage like that,
I had a young ■■■■■■ with his mates in the car brake testing me for miles, taking it to the point I was down to 20MPH at some points. Kept my cool as I had my 5 year old kid in the wagon with me. He eventually peeled off into Driffield and I returned the wagon back to base at Bridlington. Unfortunately for him he didn’t know I lived in Driffield nor that I’d know exactly where to find him. So after work I dropped my lad off at home, went to the local carpark where all the boy racers hang out and sure as eggs is eggs he was there so I went and beat the living ■■■■ out of him. You should have seen the look of absolute horror on his face when he saw me get out the car. It was definitely an “Oh ■■■■” moment.
Felt better, never heard nowt, didn’t see him again.
Conor:
Cotswoldcrunch:
Never experienced road rage like that,I had a young ■■■■■■ with his mates in the car brake testing me for miles, taking it to the point I was down to 20MPH at some points. Kept my cool as I had my 5 year old kid in the wagon with me. He eventually peeled off into Driffield and I returned the wagon back to base at Bridlington. Unfortunately for him he didn’t know I lived in Driffield nor that I’d know exactly where to find him. So after work I dropped my lad off at home, went to the local carpark where all the boy racers hang out and sure as eggs is eggs he was there so I went and beat the living [zb] out of him. You should have seen the look of absolute horror on his face when he saw me get out the car. It was definitely an “Oh [zb]” moment.
Felt better, never heard nowt, didn’t see him again.
Nice one
Conor:
Cotswoldcrunch:
Never experienced road rage like that,I had a young ■■■■■■ with his mates in the car brake testing me for miles, taking it to the point I was down to 20MPH at some points. Kept my cool as I had my 5 year old kid in the wagon with me. He eventually peeled off into Driffield and I returned the wagon back to base at Bridlington. Unfortunately for him he didn’t know I lived in Driffield nor that I’d know exactly where to find him. So after work I dropped my lad off at home, went to the local carpark where all the boy racers hang out and sure as eggs is eggs he was there so I went and beat the living [zb] out of him. You should have seen the look of absolute horror on his face when he saw me get out the car. It was definitely an “Oh [zb]” moment.
Felt better, never heard nowt, didn’t see him again.
Interesting post from someone who’s very fond of jumping on his high horse at every opportunity.
OssieD:
He does seem to be hung drawn and quartered on here, pity we didn’t do that to the Yorkshire Ripper, he was a lorry driver in case you forgot.
I haven’t forgotten and I think it was 13 cases of suicide not murder. Those women threw themselves at his hammer. You’ve got to defend a fellow driver no matter what the evidence against them is. You’re the lowest of the low if you don’t.
Contraflow:
OssieD:
He does seem to be hung drawn and quartered on here, pity we didn’t do that to the Yorkshire Ripper, he was a lorry driver in case you forgot.I haven’t forgotten and I think it was 13 cases of suicide not murder. Those women threw themselves at his hammer. You’ve got to defend a fellow driver no matter what the evidence against them is. You’re the lowest of the low if you don’t.
We have to rely on the courts and hope a judge and jury get it right, I accept even they don’t some times, but that’s all we have at the moment.
Road rage murder trial, day five:
Court hear of further alleged road rage attacks.
Warrington Guardian
Manchester Evening News
Just read that in the WG and it doesn’t bode well for the driver, as it seems he has plenty of incidents of road rage.
Not looking good for him so far. One wonders how they get these witnesses from past alleged misdemeanours. I guess if they have something against the defendant then they would be more than willing to dob him in, but that looks prejudicial to me as I thought you weren’t supposed to know the history, just judge someone on the specific case. Still, the defence might ■■■ ■■■ their credibility except for the fact that it’s hard to deny video evidence.
A MAN accused of the murder of Trevor Allen vowed to never drive a HGV vehicle again after knocking down and killing the 56-year-old granddad, Chester Crown Court heard today, Thursday.
During a police interview on February 16, Mark Slater, aged 47, from Oldham, said he knows a family has been destroyed by what has happened.
He added that he would be handing his licence in to the driving commissioner following the fatal crash.
I get the feeling you’re not going to have a choice in the matter, Mr Slater.
Snudger:
Not looking good for him so far. One wonders how they get these witnesses from past alleged misdemeanours. I guess if they have something against the defendant then they would be more than willing to dob him in, but that looks prejudicial to me as I thought you weren’t supposed to know the history, just judge someone on the specific case. Still, the defence might ■■■ ■■■ their credibility except for the fact that it’s hard to deny video evidence.
Are you for real? It shows a pattern of behavior indicating that the person is susceptible to road rage and has a temper, of course it is relevant to the case, not a case of dobbing someone in.
Snudger:
Not looking good for him so far. One wonders how they get these witnesses from past alleged misdemeanours. I guess if they have something against the defendant then they would be more than willing to dob him in, but that looks prejudicial to me as I thought you weren’t supposed to know the history, just judge someone on the specific case. Still, the defence might ■■■ ■■■ their credibility except for the fact that it’s hard to deny video evidence.
It is odd that no action was taken when the police were aware of his style of driving. I don’t see these videos emerging after the event as most people don’t keep hold of videos so they must have been made aware at the time. If they were aware, was his employer made aware and did they do anything to try and alter his behaviour?
Lastly, a jury would not be told of previous convictions (the judge would be made aware) as he wasn’t convicted for these other attacks they can be used to show his character.
Don’t see how the trucker could be convicted of murder as the victim put himself in a position to be run over by obstructing.
Soon as you get out your vehicle in a road rage incident its a green light to say your up for it.
del trotter:
Snudger:
Not looking good for him so far. One wonders how they get these witnesses from past alleged misdemeanours. I guess if they have something against the defendant then they would be more than willing to dob him in, but that looks prejudicial to me as I thought you weren’t supposed to know the history, just judge someone on the specific case. Still, the defence might ■■■ ■■■ their credibility except for the fact that it’s hard to deny video evidence.Are you for real? It shows a pattern of behavior indicating that the person is susceptible to road rage and has a temper, of course it is relevant to the case, not a case of dobbing someone in.
Yes. A wily defence might use his anger to suggest he was susceptible to the mitigating, yes mitigating, factor of provocation:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter. No excuse though. We shall see. I didn’t know he hadn’t been convicted of anything in those previous incidents though that is obvious to me now. As for dobbing him in, to put it another way, if someone does you a disservice are you more likely to want them brought to book in some way? That is what I was getting at.
I would think that as the previous incident was reported to the police, it is them who will have put it in the case file to the CPS and the CPS will have approached the other party involved and asked them to appear in court.
Reading as much on this as possible and not professing to be any legal expert (apart from an armchair one), with a past history of road rage the defence may push for an involuntary manslaughter charge based on diminshed responsibilty… just guessin