Leyland had the roadrunner with extra quarter panel for viewing the kerb !
Ford put an extra window in (so did Renault some years later) in which you were supposed to be able to see the cyclist.
robinhood_1984:
Fergi:
At the bottom of the BBC news page for this story there is a heading about a woman and child being killed by a train. When will this carnage stop, based on the cyclist story, isn’t it time train companies allowed woman and children to redesign trains?Obviously an agile human being who can (supposedely) think for themselves and manouver with great ease should have the right of way in front of a train, a truck, a jumbo jet on the runway and even be able to sail a rubber dingy in to the English Channel and expect all shipping to give way to them simply because they’re there, they’re seen and its on everybody elses back to adjust their behavior to accomodate their stupid actions.
Unfortunetely is just another aspect of the blame culture, in which people refuse to take ownership and responsibility of their own actions. Stop idiots riding bikes down the inside of trucks at traffic lights and I’m sure these same idiots would stop getting injured and killed in a high percentage of cases. Nevermind re-designing a whole vehicle concept, nevermind putting umpteen different mirrors on the truck, all thats doing is pandering to the symptoms, stop the cause and the problem stops. Its ridiculous that its even allowed by law to ride up the inside of a vehicle like they do and this is very much where the problem lies. I wonder how they would react if something sensible was done, such as to make it an offence to carry out their favourite dangerous manouver in order to protect them from the inevitable injury or death…there’d be an outcry of victimisation, because they think they’re entitled to do whatever they want and its always somebody elses fault when it goes wrong.
■■■■■’ A!! A brilliant summation, succinctly put, well done that man 
Slackbladder:
Carryfast man, that’s bull of the highest order, despite the fact I wrote " my bike doesn’t have emissions" MY BIKE! Not cyclists. Non existent global warming! So the rain of last year, worst on record added to the coldest march ever, ice caps melting etc, it’s all a myth put about by looney cyclists to get everyone on a bike, really? Don’t know what medication you’re on but it works a treat.
Why do some of you think testing, insurance, training, tax and all the other stuff, including ■■■■■■, I’ve seen that & it’s very rude, would make a blind bit of difference? All legal motorists have it and you’ve all seen how good some of those are on the road. It’s simple, if a cyclist has the room to go up the inside of a truck indicating left, with a big warning to cyclists about said move and is not seen by the driver, and gets crushed then that’s natural selection.
robinhood I partly agree with you, I will ignore the generalisations, we don’t all do it. It would be a great idea to have a law against it, but, how many laws do people break on the road every day? Speeding here, blowing lights there, we see it all day every day. It’s like no motorist does any wrong on here as soon as you mention a bike, despite all the other threads telling of incidents every day. It’s like the police in Cambridge charging cyclists for riding on the pavement, correctly it’s illegal, but doing nothing about cars parking on them, typical double standards.
Yup, natural selection - the gene pool is improved, but I end up going to jail and having to live with the fact that I (inadvertently) caused somebodies death. Bloody marvellous 
The Sarge:
(zb)’ A!! A brilliant summation, succinctly put, well done that man
Completely agree, if cyclists are being killed in large numbers in incidents involving trucks then perhaps it’s time that cyclists received some type of compulsory basic training.
Can’t do a picture of it, but how about a pushbike designed by a trucker?
I was thinking of an attachment to the handlebars - a length of steel extending approximately 12" out from each side. That should prevent them from putting themselves in harm’s way. What does everyone else think?
The Sarge:
What does everyone else think?
The worst and most dangerous type of cycle for a woman to be on is her menstrual cycle 
No sarge, you don’t go to jail, all you need to say is that the sun was in you’re eyes and you won’t use your licence for a while, you’ll be let off. Or you could try the same story a taxi driver used, he hit & killed a cyclist, drove 90 mtrs with him on the bonnet, hit various signposts before hitting a tree, he said he got confused. Result was a £35 fine and gave up his taxi licence, not his full licence mind.
How about living with the fact that I was instrumental in ruining a families future? I know a couple of train drivers who’ve been involved in fatal strikes - no way could they be blamed, but it hasn’t stopped them being ■■■■■■ up…
The Sarge:
Can’t do a picture of it, but how about a pushbike designed by a trucker?
I was thinking of an attachment to the handlebars - a length of steel extending approximately 12" out from each side. That should prevent them from putting themselves in harm’s way. What does everyone else think?
Make it 2 ft on the right side should do it.
No surprise that while they moan and whinge about wanting loads of room to be left between them by overtaking traffic they’re happy enough to ride alongside the nearside of all types of slow moving or stationary vehicles not just trucks leaving themselves with inches of clearance if that.
Sarge that’s a risk we all take every time you get on the road, in whatever you drive. It’s that part of us that’s makes us check to make sure we don’t endanger ourselves or others when driving. Occasionally it goes wrong and people get hurt, that’s part of life.
Slackbladder:
Sarge that’s a risk we all take every time you get on the road, in whatever you drive. It’s that part of us that’s makes us check to make sure we don’t endanger ourselves or others when driving. Occasionally it goes wrong and people get hurt, that’s part of life.
Yes we all know the risks and we all know what the problem is. Truck drivers know its cyclists coming down their inside and not being seen and cyclists know they are doing it. The former is doing his job and not out to hurt anyone on purpose, the latter is willingly taking risks and putting themselves in a postion of great danger.
These cycling groups all know the problems, they’re often the ones pushing for more mirrors and even cameras to distract the driver further so its not like the reason is a mystery to any one.
STOP RIDING YOUR BLOODY BIKES DOWN THE SIDE OF A STATIONARY TRUCK THAT IS INDECATING TO TURN LEFT AT A SET OF LIGHTS AND YOU WILL STOP GETTING KILLED AND INJURED. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS AND WHERE YOU CHOOSE TO POSITION YOUR BIKE.
You may think you have every right for the mountain to come to Mohammed but this mindset is just going to see you getting injured and killed in exactly the same pattern as is the case now. Mohammed (cyclist) will have to go to the mountain (common sense riding) or nothing will ever change. Cyclists hold all the cards, they’re the agile manouverable element in all this. A truck is a truck and will always be a truck and the day cyclists realise this and behave with a bit of common sense and responsibility perhaps we’ll see a huge reduction in truck/cyclist related deaths (suicides?).
Did I not say that in an earlier post?
Slackbladder:
Did I not say that in an earlier post?
My post wasn’t aimed at you personally, I was just leading off/adding to what you’d said.
nearly took one out the other day on the fullham rd as he went straight across the junction on a red light ,don’t see how bigger windows will stop that ,maybe give me a better view as he lay writhing in agony under my wheels but even that gets boring after a while
Ooh you should have been quicker off the mark. See Sarge it wouldn’t affect some drivers as much as others.
The problem with all this of course is that, unless you ride a bike and drive a truck you are unlikely to be reading these posts anyway. It’s the same on cycling forums complaining about motor vehicles and poor driving. Believe me I’m on to them as much about the dangers of riding up the sides of vehicles but you cannot tell some people.
Do you think the scroat tooling about with no tax or insurance, or those truckers working for companies you would never work for if you life depended on it, we all know one of those, reads this and takes any notice, any more than the loon blowing lights on their bike? I don’t. We live in times when too many people believe its their right to break rules they don’t like with no consequences, and, less face it, when caught they don’t get punished too harshly. IMHO nothing will change until that changes.
Looks like the cab will have the impact resistance of a wet cardboard box. See earlier thread of dustcart that hit something parked.
Slackbladder:
We live in times when too many people believe its their right to break rules they don’t like with no consequences, and, less face it, when caught they don’t get punished too harshly. IMHO nothing will change until that changes.
Like the difference between the non existent penalties imposed on cyclists when they do something stupid on the road compared to those imposed on drivers up to and including relatively long prison sentences.As for breaking the rules with no consequences ironically in Britain you’d get a prison sentence which matches that of a violent criminal for driving a car on a British motorway in the right conditions at speeds which in Germany would be perfectly acceptable and legal. 
The same bonkers attitude to making,enforcing and adhering to ze rules,applies in general concerning the use of motor vehicles in Britain.
cav551:
Looks like the cab will have the impact resistance of a wet cardboard box. See earlier thread of dustcart that hit something parked.
No doubt the GLA and the rest of the loony London ‘green’ groups would be able to create an unrepresentative test showing the thing to be up to standard.Unfortunately for those using it in the real world.
Wheel Nut:
That’s a rubbish picture…
Found it.