Hi guys & gals, i know theres a lot of knowledgable people on here do i’m going to ask with sincerity.
I’m being asked to do more than is capable in my hours. If i do the last 2 drops i’m going to too far from home to get back. I’ve been told ‘don’t worry we’ll get someone to pick you up’
Is this right? I had a stinking argument with him this morning because i said it’s bang out of order. I don’t wanna be stuck 2 hours away from home waiting to be picked up (which is illegal now anyway because it will be a works vehicle) i have a family i want to be home to.
Any help or advice would be appreciated. I’ll never get back though not even on a 10 hour drive.
Dee Dee 2012:
Hi guys & gals, i know theres a lot of knowledgable people on here do i’m going to ask with sincerity.
I’m being asked to do more than is capable in my hours. If i do the last 2 drops i’m going to too far from home to get back. I’ve been told ‘don’t worry we’ll get someone to pick you up’
Is this right? I had a stinking argument with him this morning because i said it’s bang out of order. I don’t wanna be stuck 2 hours away from home waiting to be picked up (which is illegal now anyway because it will be a works vehicle) i have a family i want to be home to.
Any help or advice would be appreciated. I’ll never get back though not even on a 10 hour drive.
To do it to the letter of the law they should send 2 drivers out, one to drive your motor back and one to drive you back .You are still on duty until you clock out so that should be inputted on a manual entry when you next put your card in.If i’m wrong i’m sure someone will correct me .
If there’s more drops than you can get done within 9-10 hours driving or around 12 hours total then either bring the offending drops back to the yard and call it a day.Or if you’ve got a decent sleeper cab then take a night out and carry on in the morning.You can’t always guarantee to get home every day the job is what it is.
‘If’ the guvnor has piled loads of drops on the truck and says you will/must get all this lot delivered in a shift,no nights out,possibly only a day cab,no ifs no buts ( from what I’m seeing in numerous job ads very likely ),then you’ve got a problem.See above.The more drivers that accept this silly multi drop zb regime then the more the employers will keep on taking the ■■■■.
The simple answer is to bring drops back. Work out how much time you need to get back to the yard, add an hour wiggle room and then merely set off back to the yard at whatever time you need to regardless of how much you’ve done. It’s your licence not the planners. You may want to ask your planner for an e mail with his/her name on it to outline how they are going to recover you once you’re out of time. I guarantee they’ll not put their name to one.
Are you running out of driving time only?
Or are running out of duty time too?
the maoster:
The simple answer is to bring drops back. Work out how much time you need to get back to the yard, add an hour wiggle room and then merely set off back to the yard at whatever time you need to regardless of how much you’ve done. It’s your licence not the planners. You may want to ask your planner for an e mail with his/her name on it to outline how they are going to recover you once you’re out of time. I guarantee they’ll not put their name to one.
Just make sure you don’t get back in the yard with five hours left…
the above would be anally correct in a perfect world which is how some companies work.
depending on how you value your job,just be back in the yard and finish without being stranded on a friday night.
if you think a 15 hour spreadover with being on duty whilst waiting ect can be done in the 15,then crap happens and deal with it.
if it cant be done,then be back at the yard within your max shift hours though the option of being a snowflake driver that cant cab it for 1 night and tip on the sat morn may be applicable?
either way,your not going to be popular,but at least you wont get shafted next week with a similar run…fired possibly,worst runs forever till you leabe probably,but there you go in the wonderful world of road haulage.
Darkside:
Just make sure you don’t get back in the yard with five hours left…
Good point. That tends to be frowned upon! 
the maoster:
Darkside:
Just make sure you don’t get back in the yard with five hours left…Good point. That tends to be frowned upon!
You only do it once…
Darkside:
the maoster:
Darkside:
Just make sure you don’t get back in the yard with five hours left…Good point. That tends to be frowned upon!
You only do it once…
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at the point of arriving early then the 1st thing your aware of is hearing the words…oh,great,we were wondering who we could get to help us out…theres these 5 collections needing done…
Personally,I’d night out…and milk it.
Other than that…take some drops back.
Simple run to the “book” take what deliveries you have left back home BUT make sure your tacho corresponds to your actual day and not showing you have been hanging it out on purpose
It’s all down to crap planning, you’re either a day man home every night, or a tramper nighting out.
Ok fair enough if it’s bad weather or rta …aka unforseen circumstances, maybe a night out is unavoidable, but ■■■■ poor planning where the boundaries are pushed to the limits and beyond, is just pure and simple ■■■■ taking 
, and neither a reason nor an excuse for getting a dayman to stop out.
As for them offering to illegally get you home when your time is up in a co. vehicle? , that’s a definite no no these days when these non job compliance manager types are wanting stuff done by the book…unless it suits THEM of course.
As Maoster says get them to txt or e.mail you with their illegal instructions, contrary to driver regs, and see if they change their tune.
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robroy:
It’s all down to crap planning, you’re either a day man home every night, or a tramper nighting out.
Ok fair enough if it’s bad weather or rta …aka unforseen circumstances, maybe a night out is unavoidable, but ■■■■ poor planning where the boundaries are pushed to the limits and beyond, is just pure and simple ■■■■ taking
As for them offering to illegally get you home when your time is up in a co. vehicle? , that’s a definite no no these days when these non job compliance manager types are wanting stuff done by the book…unless it suits THEM of course.
As Maoster says get them to txt or e.mail you with their illegal instructions, contrary to driver regs, and see if they change their tune.
You’ve never been in the position of the guvnor telling you to do mission impossible in one shift as ( what he sees )as a ‘day job’ and you saying no it ain’t going to happen half way through it all I’m going to be a tramper for this job and him saying then I ain’t paying you for a night out and you telling him to stuff the night out money I’m still parking up and carrying on tomorrow.( Empty from base at Byfleet umpteen multiple collections around West Midlands bring it all back to multi drop it all in and around London and empty back to base ).Luckily it wasn’t a day cab but nights out in a Marathon as opposed to F10 weren’t much better.With hindsight it could have been a con to get out of paying night out money.But loads of other more local examples of him saying I expected you to be back before now to do another job suggested that the muppet really did expect it all done in one shift. 
And another thing…
Dont stand and have an argument with the office monkey/gaffer and say that the run is impossible, then go out and blitz it in record time. You will make yourself look a ■■■■.
Do what everyone else has said above, and take it, then do the maths once you are on the go, and return with what is not getting done.
Ken.
Carryfast:
robroy:
It’s all down to crap planning, you’re either a day man home every night, or a tramper nighting out.
Ok fair enough if it’s bad weather or rta …aka unforseen circumstances, maybe a night out is unavoidable, but ■■■■ poor planning where the boundaries are pushed to the limits and beyond, is just pure and simple ■■■■ taking
As for them offering to illegally get you home when your time is up in a co. vehicle? , that’s a definite no no these days when these non job compliance manager types are wanting stuff done by the book…unless it suits THEM of course.
As Maoster says get them to txt or e.mail you with their illegal instructions, contrary to driver regs, and see if they change their tune.You’ve never been in the position of the guvnor telling you to do mission impossible in one shift as ( what he sees )as a ‘day job’ and you saying no it ain’t going to happen half way through it all I’m going to be a tramper for this job and him saying then I ain’t paying you for a night out and you telling him to stuff the night out money I’m still parking up and carrying on tomorrow.( Empty from base at Byfleet umpteen multiple collections around West Midlands bring it all back to multi drop it all in and around London and empty back to base ).Luckily it wasn’t a day cab but nights out in a Marathon as opposed to F10 weren’t much better.With hindsight it could have been a con to get out of paying night out money.But loads of other more local examples of him saying I expected you to be back before now to do another job suggested that the muppet really did expect it all done in one shift.
I ain’t talking about trucking life in the 80s Carryfast, it’s 2019 and things are much different to your days in yer Leyland Marathon.
Rules in those days were broken as a matter of routine, …I should know I broke ALL of them.
As I said in other post, it’s all ‘compliance’ and box ticking ■■■■■■■■ in the job today, so imo use THEIR rules against THEM and for yourself.
Too tight schedules with no leeway would not be happening if I was a day man, drops would be brought back with a valid explanation why, quoting rules and regs ,.and I bet I’d sure as hell get a more realistic schedule next time.
Maybe you’re a little too efficient and the planner realises that, so, typical of the breed, can’t help themselves pushing that bit more on top.
Whilst you continue to fly around getting the job done they’ll keep doing this, the answer is to stop flying around, set a pace that is reasonable and repeatable, what don’t get delivered gets taken back, oh and if you’re using POA bloody well stop doing so, your real hours will soon mount up so they’ll be forced to cut your hours back.
Don’t fall for any of this we’ll collect you ■■■■■■■■, not only is it bent running but you just know you won’t be paid for the extra hours cos ‘we can’t be seen to run bent’, stop deliveries when there’s ample time to get back…not scraping through the gate at 14 hrs 59mins pulling the card out just inside the gate.
If you carry on like this it will knock your health cos you must be stressed to buggery, and sooner or later you’ll drop a big bollock and have an accident, as well as your home/social life.
Personally i’d be looking for another job soon as this Christmas is over.
This must be pallet deliveries, planners in that thankless bloody game are much the same all over, course if it’s summat else and you’re knocking up £50k then by all means carry on because it probably is worth it 
If you do need to bring a drop or two back try to arrange matters so it’s a couple of the biggest ones
Juddian:
Maybe you’re a little too efficient and the planner realises that, so, typical of the breed, can’t help themselves pushing that bit more on top.Whilst you continue to fly around getting the job done they’ll keep doing this, the answer is to stop flying around, set a pace that is reasonable and repeatable, what don’t get delivered gets taken back, oh and if you’re using POA bloody well stop doing so, your real hours will soon mount up so they’ll be forced to cut your hours back.
Don’t fall for any of this we’ll collect you ■■■■■■■■, not only is it bent running but you just know you won’t be paid for the extra hours cos ‘we can’t be seen to run bent’, stop deliveries when there’s ample time to get back…not scraping through the gate at 14 hrs 59mins pulling the card out just inside the gate.If you carry on like this it will knock your health cos you must be stressed to buggery, and sooner or later you’ll drop a big bollock and have an accident, as well as your home/social life.
Personally i’d be looking for another job soon as this Christmas is over.
Have you ever wondered Juddian why tf you, me or anybody else has to say this type of stuff to other drivers? 
What is wrong with people today, is it a generational thing or what, why can they not suss out all this type of stuff in this crap job today themselves.
Does their own brain not tell them ‘‘Hang on a minute, I’m getting the ■■■■ ripped out of me here, used and abused, it’s time I kicked off about it’’
At what point does these thoughts of self protection and preservation kick in with these guys exactly, or are they just programmed to just take any old crap without question.
Ok, I’m not necessarily referring to the o/p here, as at least he’s had the sense to see it and ask advice…but ffs man, do you not see what I’m getting at…