Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damaging
switchlogic:
Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damaging
I’m sorry but all the speculation in this thread IS damaging. Before these poor children have been identified by their poor families we have people pointing fingers on this forum.
- Bus’s/Coaches should go slower, implying the driver was speeding.
- There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.
- The children themselves should be wearing seatbelts, implying they where not.
- The teachers are cretins and have no control.
I’ve not seen the news this morning so god only knows what is happening next, but on here to be honest it’s disgusting. As a website by drivers and for drivers one would assume a better level of understanding and professionalism, regardless of if any relative reads the site or not!
Spacemonkeypg:
switchlogic:
Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damagingI’m sorry but all the speculation in this thread IS damaging. Before these poor children have been identified by their poor families we have people pointing fingers on this forum.
- Bus’s/Coaches should go slower, implying the driver was speeding.
- There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.
- The children themselves should be wearing seatbelts, implying they where not.
- The teachers are cretins and have no control.
I’ve not seen the news this morning so god only knows what is happening next, but on here to be honest it’s disgusting. As a website by drivers and for drivers one would assume a better level of understanding and professionalism, regardless of if any relative reads the site or not!
I’m sorry but it’s nothing of the sort and you’ve completely misunderstood many of the points made. If people didn’t speculate about things on here this website would die. Damaging to who exactly? Many of us were just stating our own views of our time coach driving and there is nothing wrong with that. Stop getting all outraged for no real reason.
Spacemonkeypg:
switchlogic:
Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damagingI’m sorry but all the speculation in this thread IS damaging. Before these poor children have been identified by their poor families we have people pointing fingers on this forum.
- Bus’s/Coaches should go slower, implying the driver was speeding.
- There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.
- The children themselves should be wearing seatbelts, implying they where not.
- The teachers are cretins and have no control.
I’ve not seen the news this morning so god only knows what is happening next, but on here to be honest it’s disgusting. As a website by drivers and for drivers one would assume a better level of understanding and professionalism, regardless of if any relative reads the site or not!
I’m pretty sure accident investigators are professional enough to come to their own conclusions without being influenced by the reports and opinions of press hacks and reporters. These media harvesters are under pressure to fill a news slot or column with any drivel they can dream up and gossip that comes their way.
You’ve a choice whether you listen to the news, likewise if the discussion of the tradegy by a bunch of truck drivers disgusts you, its your computer.
my deepest sympathys are with all the family of the poor children involved in the crash.
switchlogic:
‘… How do you come up with these things.!?’
PM sent.
The biggest problem with all the speculation by the media, is that they look for the “sensational” aspects and for someone to blame, such as the driver was breaking the law/speeding/drunk etc. all this is reported at or just after the accident when the general public are aware of the events.
six months from now, when the final accident report comes out showing mechanical failure or some other cause, it will not be reported so heavily because it is no longer news and will not sell papers.
truckerjon:
‘…speculation …’
My speculation hasn’t yet excluded the potential of the driver steering single handed and clipping the kerb. I do the Dartford tunnel quite often and stay very mindful of the kerb’s proximity and how to stay on top of a potential ‘kerb-clip’ event.
How quick would the steering wheel be snatched away from an unfirm or insecure grasp after the tiniest brush of a kerb- edge 
- but it’s only my speculation 
We surely cant deny that single handed driving is very fashionable amongst all standards and experience levels of driver, which would in this case not make it an accident 
Spacemonkeypg:
switchlogic:
Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damagingI’m sorry but all the speculation in this thread IS damaging. Before these poor children have been identified by their poor families we have people pointing fingers on this forum.
2) There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.
Like this you mean.Unfortunately not in this case. 
waynedl:
Wheel Nut:
Like many school trips the children were travelling on a multiple travel document, rather than their own identity cards so finding out who is safe and who is dead is very difficult according to one report.Not sure that happens now, I might be wrong, but 2 of my nephews had to get his own passport for his school trip, not aloud to travel on their mums anymore.
But this is Belgium and Switzerland, both members of Schengen
on the tv reports, they have covered driver error, mechanical failure, and excessive speed.
but there is something that hasn’t been raised.
some of you that go through the alpine tunnels will have your windows mist up as soon as you enter or exit these tunnels from time to time. it dosn’t seem to happen every time you go through a tunnel, it’s just when the conditions a right (or wrong) depending on how you look at it.
i’m not saying this is what happened, but i’m sure it’s a strong possibility.
Carryfast:
Spacemonkeypg:
switchlogic:
Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damagingI’m sorry but all the speculation in this thread IS damaging. Before these poor children have been identified by their poor families we have people pointing fingers on this forum.
2) There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.Like this you mean.Unfortunately not in this case.
No that is a different tunnel altogether. In addition the barrier work is in relation to the bridge prior to the tunnel. It is irrespective anyway as the majority of duel barrier set ups will not stop a vehicle of such size.
For you morbid curiosity here is the tunnel and said barrier work maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Tun … a=N&tab=wl
Spacemonkeypg:
Carryfast:
Spacemonkeypg:
switchlogic:
Ah ok fair enough in that case speculation can be damagingI’m sorry but all the speculation in this thread IS damaging. Before these poor children have been identified by their poor families we have people pointing fingers on this forum.
2) There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.Like this you mean.Unfortunately not in this case.
No that is a different tunnel altogether. In addition the barrier work is in relation to the bridge prior to the tunnel. It is irrespective anyway as the majority of duel barrier set ups will not stop a vehicle of such size.
The barriers shown in that example are the type which you’d expect to see in order to (try to) minimise the possibility of something running head on into a concrete wall facing at 90 degrees to the carriageway and it makes no difference wether that is a tunnel entrance or a concrete wall within the tunnel itself.
However,regardless of wether such barriers,may or may not be capable,of stopping a coach from ploughing head on into a concrete wall,tunnel entrance,or a motorway bridge support (remembering the difference in weight and the height of a coach’s bodywork relative to ground compared to most trucks) there seems no reason as to why the concrete wall couldn’t have been built in such a way as to present a chamfered angled face from the side of the tunnel not a solid wall at 90 degrees anyway. 
However it’s confusing as to how it is that you think the wall in question was actually covered by such type of barriers . 
Oh god Carryfast is talking sense! Is the universe about to explode?
switchlogic:
Oh god Carryfast is talking sense! Is the universe about to explode?
What is (sadly 
) surprising to me seems to be the catastrophic failure in usual Swiss logic. 
First i must pass on my deepest sympathy to everyone who has lost someone in this incident, but today media are now saying was the driver helping to change a DVD with one of the teachers . Were in gods name do you pull that statement from please tell me if both drivers are dead or is this from the cctv inside the tunnel
Boatchaser:
First i must pass on my deepest sympathy to everyone who has lost someone in this incident, but today media are now saying was the driver helping to change a DVD with one of the teachers . Were in gods name do you pull that statement from please tell me if both drivers are dead or is this from the cctv inside the tunnel
Apparently it’s what the surviving children said. They said, apparently, that a teacher went to the front with a DVD and the driver was changing it
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Oh god Carryfast is talking sense! Is the universe about to explode?What is (sadly
Yes you see that wall and think that’s mad inside a tunnel but then I thought of all the tunnels across Europe that are designed the same way
However it’s confusing as to how it is that you think the wall in question was actually covered by such type of barriers .
I have provided you with the correct tunnel on google take a trip through it. In addition i stated.
- There should be barriers around the wall, implying fault on the engineers of the tunnel. When those of us who have driven in CH will know they do have barriers.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Oh god Carryfast is talking sense! Is the universe about to explode?What is (sadly
Yes you see that wall and think that’s mad inside a tunnel but then I thought of all the tunnels across Europe that are designed the same way
In my experience I don’t remember seeing many,if any,solid concrete walls,facing traffic that can be easily driven into in most continental tunnels such as those in Italy and France etc.?. Where there are refuges and access points it’s usually more often a case of this type of recessed position not something that stands out from the side with a 90 degree concrete wall facing oncoming traffic.