bigvern1:
daveb0789:
bigvern1:
This HAS to bring the speed of these thing down surely? I have been saying for years that they should be at truck speeds.No I disagree. If that’s the case then all passenger transport such as trains should be slowed down in the name of safety.
Trains don’t run into walls much. But I think having children on board needs a different approach.
Moorgate!!!
An article in the evening standard states that police have revealed the vehicle was travelling a lot faster than 100 kph (62 mph)
daveb0789:
An article in the evening standard states that police have revealed the vehicle was travelling a lot faster than 100 kph (62 mph)
Can they do much more? 
this is from the bbc news report …
Belgian Transport Minister Melchior Wathelet said the company that ran the coach, Toptours, had “an excellent reputation”.
He said: “The drivers had arrived the night before and had rested during the day before departure. It seems that the law on driving and rest periods has been respected.”
Both the drivers were among the dead.
so it seems its not a tired driver fault but that is little comfort as neither of them survived,R.I.P to all involved… 
bigvern1:
daveb0789:
An article in the evening standard states that police have revealed the vehicle was travelling a lot faster than 100 kph (62 mph)Can they do much more?
It’s starting to sound like the coach was running out if control for some reason
switchlogic:
Happy Keith:
switchlogic:
‘…Are you high or something…?’Wheel Nut:
‘…Keith go and get stuffed…’I’ll leave you guys to your ‘Top Trumps’ of who can out-grieve the best then…
I’m not grieving but as I opened the post after seeing your name I thought ‘let’s see if he pins this on Blair’. I wasn’t far wrong. Your hilarious with the way to try to sledgehammer Europe and the government into totally unrelated or inappropriate topics.
In fact your comment about Cameron is just completely nonsensical! How do you come up with these things!?
that’s what a university education can do 
It’s not theirs anymore,
This is our England now.
Paaaaarrrrrrttttttttyyyyyyyy
bigvern1:
daveb0789:
An article in the evening standard states that police have revealed the vehicle was travelling a lot faster than 100 kph (62 mph)Can they do much more?
Well they should be governed but I’ve been overtaken by many coaches when doing 100 kph but speed in itself was not the only reason for the crash I think.
In a conference shown on BBC News the authorities have stated that the coach was not speeding, the road conditions were good and there was no mechanical defects (I find the latter difficult to ascertain in such a short time from the wreckage as is).
Stan
Stanley Knife:
In a conference shown on BBC News the authorities have stated that the coach was not speeding, the road conditions were good and there was no mechanical defects (I find the latter difficult to ascertain in such a short time from the wreckage as is).Stan
it’s so much easier to blame a dead driver than put the blame on the company for mechanical defect, or a government agency for poor road maintenance
It’s not theirs anymore,
This is our England now.
Paaaaarrrrrrttttttttyyyyyyyy
Just watched the news and they said they’re having difficulty identifying the bodies, just imagine what those survivors seen inside that coach. And most survivors got life changing injuries.
bald bloke:
Just watched the news and they said they’re having difficulty identifying the bodies, just imagine what those survivors seen inside that coach. And most survivors got life changing injuries.
The pictures of the coach were truly horrendous, how they can say there was no mechanical failure when the front axle is 4 feet further back than it should be.
Like many school trips the children were travelling on a multiple travel document, rather than their own identity cards so finding out who is safe and who is dead is very difficult according to one report.
Both drivers died and all the adults
Horrendous
I was also thinking of the horror that faced the emergency services that will probably torment them for the rest of their days.
switchlogic:
I was also thinking of the horror that faced the emergency services that will probably torment them for the rest of their days.
They said when they arrived on the seen there was no screaming, shouting, crying as the survivors were completely shocked into silence.
mark41:
this is from the bbc news report …Belgian Transport Minister Melchior Wathelet said the company that ran the coach, Toptours, had “an excellent reputation”.
He said: “The drivers had arrived the night before and had rested during the day before departure. It seems that the law on driving and rest periods has been respected.”
Both the drivers were among the dead.
so it seems its not a tired driver fault but that is little comfort as neither of them survived,R.I.P to all involved…
Being given the opertunity to rest doesn’t equal having rest. Drivers could’ve been jet-lagged, excited, on facebook all day, out sight seeing etc.
Wheel Nut:
Like many school trips the children were travelling on a multiple travel document, rather than their own identity cards so finding out who is safe and who is dead is very difficult according to one report.
Not sure that happens now, I might be wrong, but 2 of my nephews had to get his own passport for his school trip, not aloud to travel on their mums anymore.
I did 7yrs on busses and coaches, mostly on either afternoon starts or proper night shifts, no probs, but within my 1st year on hgv’s I was falling asleep at the wheel on nights, had a long blink and when I opened my eyes I believe I was heading for a motorway bridge upright, so that was the last night shift I did for that firm (have done a couple of odd ones here and there since, but always stopped for plenty of breaks if I feel even slightly tired) and don’t apply for jobs on nights anymore and rarely do them at all.
I’ve always believed that some can do nights and some can’t, was pretty sure I was 1 of the ones that could, but now I say I’m 1 of the ones that can’t.
RIP to drivers and any passengers, sounds terrible but I’m glad the driver didn’t survive, I’d hate to live with that memory
It’s a terrible event that unfortunately has taken many lives, lives of young people as well as adults. My thoughts are with those concerned and their families, friends and of those of their rescuers at the scene.
Blind noting and finger pointing from two countries away is very very irresponsible guys. Blame of speed, blame of barriers, blame of children not wearing seat belts and teachers not controlling their students is terrible.
You are all completely blind to the circumstances involved in this collision and should bare that in mind when you are pointing fingers.
You warrant the same content given to those who rubber neck taking photo’s in every other accident!
i was a bit peeved to hear imogen■■? whoever on radio 4, stating that “it was obvious the coach was travelling at very high speeds”,
how did hell did she know? stupid reporting! and im glad the police have ruled that out, the two drivers died and their families must be distraught, lets hope the belgian media are reporting it in a more sensible way.
waynedl:
Wheel Nut:
Like many school trips the children were travelling on a multiple travel document, rather than their own identity cards so finding out who is safe and who is dead is very difficult according to one report.Not sure that happens now, I might be wrong, but 2 of my nephews had to get his own passport for his school trip, not aloud to travel on their mums anymore.
Its still allowed, my eldests going to Paris in July with school and she doesn’t need her own passport, its just one document for the whole coach load
Surely it would be better to wait for the crash investigators to determine the cause of this tragic incident rather than speculating?Just a thought…
Good night and god bless to all those who didn’t survive,my heart goes out to them and their families
TezzDemon:
Surely it would be better to wait for the crash investigators to determine the cause of this tragic incident rather than speculating?Just a thought…Good night and god bless to all those who didn’t survive,my heart goes out to them and their families
I don’t think the speculation is doing any harm. I’d say it’s fairly unlikely anyone involved will be looking at a UK forum for truck drivers.
My comment was aimed at the media and the muppets that are quick to point the finger without knowing the full story.Apologies for not putting that in my last post.
