I’m putting this here because of the transport angle. Euro touring is work for many UK companies and their drivers and support staff.
It appears that visas will be needed for tours of musicians and their teams into the EU. The UK was allegedly offered exemption but refused it because it needs to be reciprocal deal, and Patel doesn’t want to open our borders to musicians?
Looks like there is some considerable amount of double-talk and spinning going on. What effects it’ll have on the music/stage shifting transport companies after the COVID lockdown is unclear.
Franglais mate (yep I’ve bitten again ) every post of yours (leaving aside Covid and your constant criticism of Boris that is) that you skillfully manage to shoehorn an aspect of Brexit into, (it’s a skill btw ) can be answered by one comment…
.
We get your disgruntlement and disapproval (however tedious) and we get your entitlement to disagree with the result of Brexit, but nevertheless it has come about, albeit maybe in the worst time with this Covid thing, and the difficulty that Boris …(there you go just for you all 3 involved in this ) and his government are trying to combine and juggle the two.
It is a major change to our country’s , constitution and format, and with every major change in anything, there is going to be a transition/settling in period, awash with setbacks, which we are currently in by a couple of weeks.
Rome wasn’t built in a day…as they say.
So…the answer I refer to is this…
Seeing as this change is in the preliminary period after all moves and negotiations, why not just patiently wait,.(whilst constantly fuming ) sit back and let it take it’s course, maybe a year or so,.and THEN make your comments on it.
Just think of the ‘‘fun’’ you could have in that time googling and collecting your facts (we know how you love it) and gathering a dossier of information to bombard and bore …oops sorry I mean, Keep us all posted and up to date with.
Especially if it does go ■■■■ up, and you get your desired failure, and revel in telling us …‘‘I told you so’’…what do you reckon??
It’s a bit like your team getting back into the Premier league and complaining they ain’t top of the league right away…chill out, give it a season.
Just saying.
No, you don’t get it.
The rules have changed.
I certainly didn’t think it was a good idea to change the rules because I didn’t they would improve things for us, but change they have.
I’m looking at how the rule changes will be affecting us. This is an aspect of how transport could be directly affected.
It could very well directly affect some UK companies and of anyone is thinking of applying for jobs on those companies (No names here) then maybe they should consider how future work will be affected.
.
Maybe you are fed up with hearing about how many things are changing, but they are changing. You can ignore it if you want.
Looking at those changes is better than stumbling along blindly. After all, we have a government doing that already.
Ed. Looks like the new rules won’t let our team onto the pitch.
Ed 2. I certainly don’t want a disaster BTW
And reading around it seems that professional qualifications obtained in the EU are no longer automatically recognised in the UK, and vice versa. Those already in work in another region may be allowed to continue but not new starters.
So will those companies supplying stage crew, particularly electricians, be affected by this? Will UK lighting crews need EU permits? Will that knock on to other stage handling sectors?
You beat me to it. As usual there is a way around it and as usual the Anti-Brexit bores fail to inform.
A VISA is all you require! Its no hardship, its not difficult.
And as Rob has already said, give it time to settle, we have only just started the journey on the new road we have chosen. Stop being the moaning ■■■■■ sat in the passenger seat with the roadmap upside down!
Dodgy Permit:
Regardless this will only effect a very (very) small section of the distribution sector-workforce.
Agreed that it will have very little direct effect on UK shop deliveries.
But those companies who (pre covid) had several trucks on EU touring work it might be significant. I don`t know how tightly the band transport is ■■■■■■■ with other stage services such as electrics for sound and lighting? Anyone is this sector care to comment?
You’re assuming that mass crowd events will open up again in the forseeable, not sure that’s going to happen again before half of the current people involved in event and stage work have retired.
Then there’s every chance we’ll have rejoined the sacred cow by the time this covid farce of utter folly is consigned to the history books.
I think all of us from every side of this argument have to get it through our thick skulls that the world we inhabited in winter 2019/20 has gone, forever, nothing is ever going to be the same again, most of us in the working class will be losers in this long planned reset, but the working classes paying the price for idiocy regime changes and theft from all sides of the spectrum has been standard throughout history and that is most unlikely to change.
You beat me to it. As usual there is a way around it and as usual the Anti-Brexit bores fail to inform.
A VISA is all you require! Its no hardship, its not difficult.
And as Rob has already said, give it time to settle, we have only just started the journey on the new road we have chosen. Stop being the moaning ■■■■■ sat in the passenger seat with the roadmap upside down!
A visa is not recognition of professional qualifications.
robroy:
Franglais mate (yep I’ve bitten again ) every post of yours (leaving aside Covid and your constant criticism of Boris that is) that you skillfully manage to shoehorn an aspect of Brexit into, (it’s a skill btw ) can be answered by one comment…
.
We get your disgruntlement and disapproval (however tedious) and we get your entitlement to disagree with the result of Brexit, but nevertheless it has come about, albeit maybe in the worst time with this Covid thing, and the difficulty that Boris …(there you go just for you all 3 involved in this ) and his government are trying to combine and juggle the two.
It is a major change to our country’s , constitution and format, and with every major change in anything, there is going to be a transition/settling in period, awash with setbacks, which we are currently in by a couple of weeks.
Rome wasn’t built in a day…as they say.
So…the answer I refer to is this…
Seeing as this change is in the preliminary period after all moves and negotiations, why not just patiently wait,.(whilst constantly fuming ) sit back and let it take it’s course, maybe a year or so,.and THEN make your comments on it.
Just think of the ‘‘fun’’ you could have in that time googling and collecting your facts (we know how you love it) and gathering a dossier of information to bombard and bore …oops sorry I mean, Keep us all posted and up to date with.
Especially if it does go ■■■■ up, and you get your desired failure, and revel in telling us …‘‘I told you so’’…what do you reckon??
It’s a bit like your team getting back into the Premier league and complaining they ain’t top of the league right away…chill out, give it a season.
Just saying.
Franglais:
No, you don’t get it.
The rules have changed.
I certainly didn’t think it was a good idea to change the rules because I didn’t they would improve things for us, but change they have.
I’m looking at how the rule changes will be affecting us. This is an aspect of how transport could be directly affected.
It could very well directly affect some UK companies and of anyone is thinking of applying for jobs on those companies (No names here) then maybe they should consider how future work will be affected.
.
Maybe you are fed up with hearing about how many things are changing, but they are changing. You can ignore it if you want.
Looking at those changes is better than stumbling along blindly. After all, we have a government doing that already.
Ed. Looks like the new rules won’t let our team onto the pitch.
Ed 2. I certainly don’t want a disaster BTW
Although I clearly stated, or ar the least implied,.about rule change, you ignore that, and still pick out the bits that suit your boring ‘We should not have left’ agenda with your blinkers on, drooling on about how bad things are.
You know what mate,.I give up on you, it’s my own fault for responding I know, but ffs man ACCEPT the result, go with it, stop actually looking for negatives to make your points, because I think I speak for the majority on here,.(although I have not done a poll on it, but you don’t accept majority votes anyway do you, ) but you are right,.quote; I/we ‘‘Are fed up of hearing about…’’
Seriously mate you are like a broken record.
Cheers.
Franglais:
No, you don’t get it.
The rules have changed.
I certainly didn’t think it was a good idea to change the rules because I didn’t they would improve things for us, but change they have.
I’m looking at how the rule changes will be affecting us. This is an aspect of how transport could be directly affected.
It could very well directly affect some UK companies and of anyone is thinking of applying for jobs on those companies (No names here) then maybe they should consider how future work will be affected.
.
Maybe you are fed up with hearing about how many things are changing, but they are changing. You can ignore it if you want.
Looking at those changes is better than stumbling along blindly. After all, we have a government doing that already.
Ed. Looks like the new rules won’t let our team onto the pitch.
Ed 2. I certainly don’t want a disaster BTW
Although I clearly stated, or ar the least implied,.about rule change, you ignore that, and still pick out the bits that suit your boring ‘We should not have left’ agenda with your blinkers on, drooling on about how bad things are.
You know what mate,.I give up on you, it’s my own fault for responding I know, but ffs man ACCEPT the result, go with it, stop actually looking for negatives to make your points, because I think I speak for the majority on here,.(although I have not done a poll on it, but you don’t accept majority votes anyway do you, ) but you are right,.quote; I/we ‘‘Are fed up of hearing about…’’
Seriously mate you are like a broken record.
Cheers.
Maybe my posts are balanced out by all the posts listing all the good things that are happening…
He’s obsessed with the UK leaving the EU, every thread, every post he makes is to do with Brexit.
He’s a typical remoaner, the FACT that we have already left appears not to have sunk in.
He’s on my ignore list, I can’t be doing with the tripe he spouts.
Grumpy_old_trucker:
He’s obsessed with the UK leaving the EU, every thread, every post he makes is to do with Brexit.
He’s a typical remoaner, the FACT that we have already left appears not to have sunk in.
He’s on my ignore list, I can’t be doing with the tripe he spouts.
The sad part is he is very articulate and I enjoy his style of language, its just a shame he is a stuck record.
Grumpy_old_trucker:
He’s obsessed with the UK leaving the EU, every thread, every post he makes is to do with Brexit.
He’s a typical remoaner, the FACT that we have already left appears not to have sunk in.
He’s on my ignore list, I can’t be doing with the tripe he spouts.
The sad part is he is very articulate and I enjoy his style of language, its just a shame he is a stuck record.
Thanks… for some of that, anyway.
Anyone could have pointed out how brilliant this particular piece of Brexit is. They still can.
Anyone can bore us with all the good stuff. Carry on.
Strangely I dont think I said anywhere that this was a bad piece of legislation. I made queries about how it might affect transport for those companies gigging in Europe in the future. I think RobRoy was the first to suggest it may not be good for us! (ohhh tempting to comment further :smiley: ) I certainly dont disagree with him on that though.
So come on then. How many jobs will be created by possibly stopping EU movers coming into the UK, and how many possibly lost by UK companies having more problems working in the EU?
If a US artist comes for a Euro tour* will they go for a UK or EU haulier?
*Yes Juddian, I do think this will be happening. Come late-summer? Christmas?? we will be desperate to get out and be sociable again.
Oh Yes We Will !
Franglais:
So come on then. How many jobs will be created by possibly stopping EU movers coming into the UK, and how many possibly lost by UK companies having more problems working in the EU?
If a US artist comes for a Euro tour* will they go for a UK or EU haulier?
We won’t know untill the future has arrived. So untill a period of time has passed then we cannot comment if Brexit is or is not a good thing.
Come back on January 1st 2022 and we can look back onto 2021 and discus and analyse brexit.
Franglais:
So come on then. How many jobs will be created by possibly stopping EU movers coming into the UK, and how many possibly lost by UK companies having more problems working in the EU?
If a US artist comes for a Euro tour* will they go for a UK or EU haulier?
We won’t know untill the future has arrived. So untill a period of time has passed then we cannot comment if Brexit is or is not a good thing.
Come back on January 1st 2022 and we can look back onto 2021 and discus and analyse brexit.
Daresay all being well, we will do that next year, or the year after. (Just before we start the Brenrty debate)
I still maintain that is good to point out these issues as they arise. Maybe there are easy fixes that we can tell each other about. Maybe it will affect where one might go looking for work when this C19 stuff (hopefully soon) dies back. Stage and show trucking is one of the few jobs where we still have few trucks doing the whole of the EU, and those companies doing it are often mentioned in threads about those wanting to spread their wings a bit. I do hope it is a temporary glitch and not anything more.
Franglais:
I’m putting this here because of the transport angle. Euro touring is work for many UK companies and their drivers and support staff.
It appears that visas will be needed for tours of musicians and their teams into the EU. The UK was allegedly offered exemption but refused it because it needs to be reciprocal deal, and Patel doesn’t want to open our borders to musicians?
Looks like there is some considerable amount of double-talk and spinning going on. What effects it’ll have on the music/stage shifting transport companies after the COVID lockdown is unclear.
) every post of yours (leaving aside Covid and your constant criticism of Boris that is) that you skillfully manage to shoehorn an aspect of Brexit into, (it’s a skill btw 
) can be answered by one comment… 
) sit back and let it take it’s course, 
I mean, Keep us all posted and up to date with. 