Tosco Doncaster strike?

As a lorry driver the wages and conditions should reflect the responsibilty that you have, so the likes of Tesco Doncaster drivers were among the very few drivers who were actually compensated properly.

Unfortunately lorry drivers are, on the whole, uneducated morons with a chip on their shoulder, so instead of insisting on similar conditions for themselves, they would rather work harder for less pay and line the pockets of Stobart or whoever and slag off the likes of Tesco drivers who actually get a decent wage for not pulling their tripe out for maximum hours every week.

Everything in this industry is arse about face, blame Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher or whoever you want, but the reason that the hours are long and the wages are crap is because there’s always some idiot who will work for what’s on offer…

Pat Hasler:
The whole of Tesco needs to stand together and do a nationwide stoppage for a week, empty the food markets of stocks, block all Scabby Stobbart drivers from entering and leaving, we did it in 1997 and bought the contry to its knee’s and got everything we asked for.

I hear the Boy scouts have stopped this years Bob a job week, Stobbart undercut them :laughing:

^^^^^This, if you all want to protect your future.

stevieboy308:
stobart have offered or took on 120
tesco are offering 90 warehousing jobs, seems pretty clear to me fella

The sums are dead easy…really…they are… trust me. :laughing:

@Phantom Mark

You’re pulling everyone’s ■■■■■■ aren’t you…tell us you are?

:laughing:

Dennisthemenace:
Yeah…But who the hell wants to work in a Tesco warehouse■■?

Who the hell would want to work for tesco full stop…!!!

Round 2 next thurs and Fri so I hear.

When I was in the CWU, I was sometimes known to heckle at meetings on the basis that “T&C should be preserved, even at the cost of a few jobs” rather than the Union line of “JOBS must be preserved at all costs, including T&Cs!”

So, 200 £500pw jobs under threat can end up as 100 £500pw jobs OR 200 £400pw jobs…

Needless to say, my “maintain the T&Cs” argument had me being treated as a helmet as often as seems to be the case on this board over other matters.

Some aspects of pay went on “mark time” years ago, and of course after years of that, the jobs disappeared anyway. Lose/lose. Even the pension got closed as final salary (defined benefits) and got changed to this crappy CARE scheme, where you spend the first 6 years paying the commissions of the fund managers with your weekly contributions.

If the Union had thought to maintain T&C, then the firm would have probably got rid of too many jobs in the first wave, which then would have meant stacks of overtime, plenty of work for agencies, and even the firm recruiting again by now!

So what T&C’s were sacrificed since 2002 to “preserve jobs” that didn’t get preserved after all that?

Pre 2002:
Overtime: 1.45 weekdays, 1.65 scheduled, 2.00 weekends, 1.5 + day off in lieu bank holidays, and even at one point NDA of 1.33 after 7pm!
My biggest ever earnings year at RM was 1999-2000 tax year where (pre-WTD Euroregs) I’d be doing a 60 hour week for about £42k back then! :open_mouth: .

Post 2002:
Overtime got cut to 1.15 across the board. Scheduled Attendence multiple was maintained at 1.65 for a while, but at mark time hourly rates.
Weekend overtime dried up, but was nowhere near double time anymore, AND you had to have a certain number of hours in the premium day to qualify for the higher rate (if there was one) and any day off in lieu. Eg. if you did a BH shift starting at 22:15 hours for 12 hours, you’d NOT get the day off in lieu, and you’d get docked 1.5 hours for breaks, rather than 1.00 hours. So, you’d get 10.5 hours @ 1.15 rate rather than 12 hours @ 1.5 rate and a day off in lieu! Even introducing “not being paid for breaks anymore” was like a 12.5% pay cut when you were on 4x12 hour shifts per week, now getting docked 1.5 hours per day of it! The BASIC was increased by quite a bit… 27% sounds about right, but anyone doing overtime lost out overall, because of the cuts to the allowances and overtime. Only flat monday-saturday day drivers gained, as very little allowances were “Lost” by such folk. 38t drivers on nights lost the most, 17t late late drivers lost a lot too! as these were the folk that did the most overtime, and depended upon it, myself included.

Pre 2002, you got trained in levels 1-6 which alllowed you to do the jobs of others, including management, computer stuff, Forks, Reach truck, etc. You got extra allowances for these, and mileage if you were “acting” at another office some commuting distance away.
Post 2002, drivers got “driving allowance” incorporated into their basic, but lost all the other allowances, and you were not supposed to load your own vehicles with you on the forks any more.
Load security had to decline a bit eh? The basic was also LOWER for 17t drivers, whereas before ALL drivers 7.5t upto 38t got the standard “goods vehicle driving allowance”.

All this crushing stuff was agreed by the Union on the basis that the “jobs for life” culture would be maintained.
We might as well have taken cyanide pills, since the jobs went anyway, and the cut-T&C’s are now of course permanent!
There was even an offer from management of £1500 lump sum “to go from weekly to monthly pay”. The Union objected “on our behalfs”, and management implemented it anway, and of course we got sod all, since ‘we’d’ (CWU) rejected the “deal”! Cheers then! :angry:

WIthout plum amounts of regular overtime, there are already stacks of drivers stuggling to pay their now-expired 5 year fix mortgages, as they’re stuck on an SVR they can’t get off, and can’t re-mortgage, because the P60 total earnings bottom line has dropped so much!

Then… whilst all this was going through the system, you’d get the occaisional actual “strike” which the press would lie about in a similar fashion to the recent tanker drivers dispute.
…You know the “Greedy tanker drivers turn down £48k, want £50k” type headlines.
I think one of them was something like “Posties turn down 27% pay rise, and vote to strike!” - Remember THAT one?
I’ve never met ANY driver on that kind of deal - well at least back to the '80s!

The strikes were an objection to having T&C’s cut - but alas too late! The union had already negotiated it all away in return for “jobs for life” - a verbal promise from the firm that of course didn’t have to be honoured, since striking wouldn’t work once the ■■■■ thing was already implemented! :frowning:

…If the Union deny this version of events, then perhaps someone would like to explain to me why the T&C’s were all given away so easily … If not for “the presevation of jobs”?

If everthing had been left alone in 2002 (“The way forward” agreement never happened…") then Postal LGV drivers would easily be (annual pay awards inflation +0.5% assumed) on a grand a week gross for a 48 hour week by this point a decade later. For THAT kind of money, those getting it would argue that the slashed workforce “was a price worth paying” instead of having paid that price anyway, and got chuff-all but downside in the interim! :imp:

When I left 2 years back, I figured that it wouldn’t be worth going back to Full Time on the run-through T&C package as it now is.
However, I read on this very board that Agency rates for RM seem to be improving, so perhaps it’s a case of ‘supping with a long spoon’ after all this time, should some well-paid shifts be thrown my way…

I still won’t be crossing any picket lines though! :grimacing:

Pimpdaddy:

Dennisthemenace:
Yeah…But who the hell wants to work in a Tesco warehouse■■?

Who the hell would want to work for tesco full stop…!!!

Calm down, mate… :smiley:

Solly:

stevieboy308:
stobart have offered or took on 120
tesco are offering 90 warehousing jobs, seems pretty clear to me fella

The sums are dead easy…really…they are… trust me. :laughing:

you’re the one struggling with it not me :wink:

Solly:
CM report that:“…This followed the operator’s decision to make all 183 drivers’ roles redundant…“ESL report:”…David Pickering, Eddie Stobart MD, said:…we have already committed over 120 alternative driving roles within Stobart…with Tesco offering an additional 90 warehousing jobs…”

David Pickering = the biggest Richard head at stobarts, quickly followed by a millimetre of Bolger, carruthers and Morgan! RACE TO THE BOTTOM DUE TO THESE HELMETS! :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

Pat Hasler:
The whole of Tesco needs to stand together and do a nationwide stoppage for a week, empty the food markets of stocks, block all Scabby Stobbart drivers from entering and leaving, we did it in 1997 and bought the contry to its knee’s and got everything we asked for.I hear the Boy scouts have stopped this years Bob a job week, Stobbart undercut them :laughing:

five years ago at middlewich, the drivers had their chance to do exactly that, but guess what happened! :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

Tesco drivers are probably lacking in the trouser dept, hence all the BS & noise to be heard…!

newmercman:
As a lorry driver the wages and conditions should reflect the responsibilty that you have, so the likes of Tesco Doncaster drivers were among the very few drivers who were actually compensated properly.

Unfortunately lorry drivers are, on the whole, uneducated morons with a chip on their shoulder, so instead of insisting on similar conditions for themselves, they would rather work harder for less pay and line the pockets of Stobart or whoever and slag off the likes of Tesco drivers who actually get a decent wage for not pulling their tripe out for maximum hours every week.

Everything in this industry is arse about face, blame Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher or whoever you want, but the reason that the hours are long and the wages are crap is because there’s always some idiot who will work for what’s on offer…

What newmercman says +1 or whatever you nerds say :sunglasses:

There are a lot out there who would do anything to get a full time job. People made redundant and still struggling to find a job that pays enough to feed there families, pay there bills and maybe get a family holiday.
These strikes promote nothing more than arrogance. You were offered jobs, yes your T+C’s will be different, but it’s a job, and with bonuses its not bad, I have seen a lot worse. Maybe you should take a look and realise you’ve had it good for a long time. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee. This is how it is in the real world.

There’s full time jobs around, but the pay is poor, so people like me won’t bother.

That doesn’t make me lazy, just refusing to be conned by the whole damned system that’s trying to get me to work max hours for a pittance! :angry:

Omg winseer, did you just accidentally click submit mid type? :laughing: :laughing:

As…NMM…has pointed out…with accuracy… many drivers of today have had difficulty undertaking and completing their educational opportunity. Sad really as it is leading the way in the race to the bottom… that place that took ordinary working people hundred’s of years to get out of. After all said and done…drivers…like their employers…are entitled to decent living conditions and standards…aren’t they? Time to “Grow some” people…before it is too late for everyone.

Nope. I didn’t think speaking my mind or not was an issue here.

If one works for rubbish pay & conditions, that then ends up becoming the norm everywhere - if left unchecked.
Refusing to do it, is like refusing to cross a picket line for me - I feel it’s my duty to the wider driving community to hold out and fight the nationwide “race to the bottom” that would see those of us paying mortgages all re-possessed before the house is paid off. I’ve got a big mortgage, so there’s no way I’m going to pay my way on UB, since I wouldn’t even qualify for “housing benefit” - that donker of public money if ever there was one.
£60ish a week for a layabout doesn’t compare to “no limit £thousands” in housing benefits for a £300pw bod living in a £1000+pm RENTED house does it?
Scrap housing benefits altogether, and raise wages I say! If you can’t get someone low paid in to do the job anymore, 'cos they can’t afford to live in the posh areas, then ■■■■ well raise pay according to supply and demand! Everyone should be fighting the rent bubble, because it’s the enemy of homebuyers everywhere. Houses have become income vehicles for landlords instead of places to live for those that actually buy them. :imp:

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As for “working class pride” - That should not involve “having” to work 60+ hours a week instead of 24-55 (my range) which at worst only makes me a part timer, and viewed from an indoor person’s point of view, still makes me a full timer, since I’m quite happy to pick up full weeks of work 9 times out of 10 it’s offered.
I don’t object to working a 55 hour week on agency, since I’m getting 55 hours pay for it! It’s the FT job where that hourage is expected for a “flat” wage that I wouldn’t be doing, so it’s got nothing at all to do with the actual work has it? Indeed at present, my average over the last few months has been too high, and now I’ve got a backlog of things that need doing at home. Cram at Christmas, then knock it back a bit in the new year when there’s no work around anyway.
Choosing to do less hours as opposed to feeling “obliged” to do stupid hours every single week STILL isn’t sponging though is it?
God help all retirees if that’s not the case - maybe my critics feel that the done “working class thing” is to be dead 6 months after retirement (or before!) in the name of “not being a sponger”, and “claiming that yukky state pension like a scab”. Dead guys claim no benefits, and maybe there’s even a school of thought that says the widow is “too proud” to claim her widow’s pension - if any.

Meanwhile, I’m happy to carry on earning whilst they carry on gurning! :stuck_out_tongue:
I’ve got no intention on splitting up from my family “'cos the industry demands it of me” or “licking road clean wit’ toongue” as if I’m obliged to “av it toof”.
From what I’ve seen, being low-paid is a product of a cap-in-hand attitude towards the firm (“oh I’m so grateful for any old job in these hard times”) and of course the skintflint boss who’ll be only too happy to take full advantage of their worker’s weakness in this area.

'Kin 'ell guy - If I don’t cut your pay, I’ll not be able to have my foreign holiday this year"

I can’t say I have much sympathy for those who feel obliged to crap on their fellow driver, and push them out of a FT job that paid the mortgage, and replaced it with drivers that do a job only suitable for the young - cos you can’t afford to run a wife, family & house on £300pw/40 hour week takehome even up north right? :frowning: Roll on 20 years, and a whole generation of drivers won’t be having families, kids, and a house because they can’t afford it"
(Unless of course they’re living off BENEFITS!) :roll:

If rents are capped, or housing benefits get removed by a future government, they won’t be doing anything other than living with mum and dad either!
Don’t say it can’t happen, as muslims/asians/immigrants have been doing this for a while already.
I like my personal space in my own place paying my own dues. “darn sarth”, an Englishman’s home is still his castle. :grimacing:

Fatboy slimslow:

Solly:
CM report that:“…This followed the operator’s decision to make all 183 drivers’ roles redundant…“ESL report:”…David Pickering, Eddie Stobart MD, said:…we have already committed over 120 alternative driving roles within Stobart…with Tesco offering an additional 90 warehousing jobs…”

David Pickering = the biggest Richard head at stobarts, quickly followed by a millimetre of Bolger, carruthers and Morgan! RACE TO THE BOTTOM DUE TO THESE HELMETS! :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

I take it you have had dealings with ESL et al and are not impressed! :laughing:

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Second strike 18 October suspended pending fresh Unite/Stobart talks 19 October.

Unite have not ruled out any further action.
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