Juddian:
oh and exactly what weapons are we going to defend ourselves with, they criminalsed weapons which means only the state, and criminals, have weapons.
They havent quite done that yet. Current law every citizen has the right to a shotgun. Even a reason as simple as “I want one”. The police have to show good and just reason why you shouldn’t. I have a synthetic semi auto so not just the standard farmer style wooden side by side.
You can and people do own most other firearms shop local to me has 50cal barret snipers, hk mp5’s and m16’s etc. As long as you have good reason and are of sound mind you can pretty much get most things.
And those in charge won’t come for the registered ones in private hands when it all kicks off?
Juddian:
oh and exactly what weapons are we going to defend ourselves with, they criminalsed weapons which means only the state, and criminals, have weapons.
They havent quite done that yet. Current law every citizen has the right to a shotgun. Even a reason as simple as “I want one”. The police have to show good and just reason why you shouldn’t. I have a synthetic semi auto so not just the standard farmer style wooden side by side.
You can and people do own most other firearms shop local to me has 50cal barret snipers, hk mp5’s and m16’s etc. As long as you have good reason and are of sound mind you can pretty much get most things.
And those in charge won’t come for the registered ones in private hands when it all kicks off?
+1
The moron in Brussels and National Governments want stricter gun control for law abiding citizens, Im pro gun and this boil my ■■■■. Criminals and terrorist don’t care about the law ■■■■ it, they will do whatever it takes to find guns, how should we defend ourselves…
Mass Shootings in USA Since 2012 -
Colorado springs - 3 dead 9 injured
Roseburg oregon - 9 dead 9 injured
Chattanuga Tn, - 5 dead 3 injured
charleston NC, - 9 dead
Isla vista LA - 6 dead 7 wounded
Ft Hood TX - 3 dead 16 injured
Washington DC - 12 killed 3 injured
Newton Conn - 27 killed
Santa monica - 5 killed
Oak Creek, Wis - 6 killed, 3 injured
Aurora, Colo - 12 killed, 58 injured
Oakland 7 killed 3 injured
Seal beach - 8 killed 2 injured
Tuscon 6 killed 11 injured
Binghampton NY - 13 killed 6 injured
Having a gun “to be able to protect yourself” didn’t do the people above a whole lot of good did it? And thats by no means them all. There will have been countless others, I just cant be bothered typing them all up. I appreciate what some of you are saying but its a flawed logic imo. Tighter gun control means only criminals have them and as such as only likely to use them on each other as they dont get carried unless there is a reason, not “just because”.
I saw one of those cctv type shows last night and there was a fight in a casino in Las Vegas. 8 guys got in a fight and two pulled out guns and started shooting. 4 innocent people got shot by stray bullets, 1 died. Freedom to own guns isnt a good idea.
If I see a fight in the UK, im feel perfectly safe to see it and not have to run for cover in case bullets start flying. Like wise, if someone decides they want to have a go at me, I fancy my chances against a baseball bat or pole but I cant fight a bullet.
Pistols were banned in uk following a kneejerk reaction in dunblane. And minimum barrel length is something like 24" so never going to easily conceal that. Need to be more worried about knifes not bullets.
Also the ban on pistols and stricter laws did nothing apart from peanalise thoose who were responsible and genuine reasons. As there are more illegal pistols coming into the uk now than before the law change. Stricter laws will never stop criminals.
m_attt:
Pistols were banned in uk following a kneejerk reaction in dunblane. And minimum barrel length is something like 24" so never going to easily conceal that. Need to be more worried about knifes not bullets.
Also the ban on pistols and stricter laws did nothing apart from peanalise thoose who were responsible and genuine reasons. As there are more illegal pistols coming into the uk now than before the law change. Stricter laws will never stop criminals.
+1
Your comment reminded me what I’ve read the other day, its not only pistols.
Winseer:
I reckon Vote Leave winning the franchise is actually better than Grass Roots Out getting it. With Boris running the show - I reckon there’s a better chance we’ll now pull off Brexit. With Farage in charge of it instead, - we would have had the middle ground people who already half believe the tosh said about him - voting “remain” just because of his own personal low charisma in their eyes…
Boris is always going to be taken more seriously than Farage because he’s not only a sitting MP, but a bigshot in the Conservative Party, he dislikes Cameron and Osbourne which is also in line with public opinion, and of course he’s been a fairly good Mayor of London… The scruffiness actually makes him more likeable as well, as it detracts from that elitist public school crap that we get dished out by the other two in spades… Cameron was always worried that “Being too posh might count against him”… Well it does. I look forward to both Left and Right voters seizing on this chance to get rid of Cameron and Osbourne by voting Brexit tactically if they won’t do it for disliking the elites reasons…
Why would a key ally of Cameron and all the establishment implications which go with it and an outspoken supporter of EU membership be an any more credible out campaigner than Corbyn is for the in campaign.Bearing in mind the importance of the Labour out vote Grass Roots Out is far more relevant than Boris with Hoey’s position far more credible in that regard than Boris.Which explains why the establishment has predictably sidelined GO.
Dolph:
Labor to support remain camp. Lets not forget that Tony Blair got us(Bulgaria and the rest EE countries) into EU
Jeremy Corbyn to urge ‘warts and all’ backing of European Union
Labour leader to say he has concerns about European Union but believes it to be best way to tackle global challenges
Quote … ‘Current law every citizen has the right to a shotgun’.
I applied for a shotgun certificate years ago to be used solely on a farm in the North York moors for pest control. My application was rejected for fear the weapon might be used for illegal purposes, ffs If I wanted to rob a bank I would hardly use a registered weapon when it’s relatively easy to get a gun off the street if you know the right people (which I don’t btw).
raymundo:
Quote … ‘Current law every citizen has the right to a shotgun’.
I applied for a shotgun certificate years ago to be used solely on a farm in the North York moors for pest control. My application was rejected for fear the weapon might be used for illegal purposes, ffs If I wanted to rob a bank I would hardly use a registered weapon when it’s relatively easy to get a gun off the street if you know the right people (which I don’t btw).
And I am voting out !
To be fair a shot gun isn’t going to be much use if/when the EU and UK’s open door immigration regime eventually turns into a Yugoslav type war of secession and inter ethnic cluster zb.
raymundo:
Quote … ‘Current law every citizen has the right to a shotgun’.
I applied for a shotgun certificate years ago to be used solely on a farm in the North York moors for pest control. My application was rejected for fear the weapon might be used for illegal purposes, ffs If I wanted to rob a bank I would hardly use a registered weapon when it’s relatively easy to get a gun off the street if you know the right people (which I don’t btw).
And I am voting out !
To be fair a shot gun isn’t going to be much use if/when the EU and UK’s open door immigration regime eventually turns into a Yugoslav type war of secession and inter ethnic cluster zb.
I don’t see your far fetched Yugoslav scary story happening, for several reasons, but the main one: England will not send royal marines in tanks into Edinburgh to keep Scottish representatives comply with Downing street 10, in the way Miloshevic sent JNA to Slovenia.
Carryfast:
To be fair a shot gun isn’t going to be much use if/when the EU and UK’s open door immigration regime eventually turns into a Yugoslav type war of secession and inter ethnic cluster zb.
I don’t see your far fetched Yugoslav scary story happening, for several reasons, but the main one: England will not send royal marines in tanks into Edinburgh to keep Scottish representatives comply with Downing street 10, in the way Miloshevic sent JNA to Slovenia.
I wasn’t exactly describing a Scottish rebellion although it happened just like that in Ireland in 1916.
More like maybe two or more generations into the future when the indigenous population are faced with EU Federal forces on one side stopping an attempt for Seccession from the EU Federation and the immigrant population/s taking advantage of the chaos in an attempt at self determination possibly helped and armed by their EU Federal allies in the form of Merkel’s successors Socialist foreign legions.Ironically all the Yugoslav ingredients of forced Socialist type ethnic integration and Federal governmental system already being in place with Merkel etc taking the place of Tito.
m_attt:
Pistols were banned in uk following a kneejerk reaction in dunblane. And minimum barrel length is something like 24" so never going to easily conceal that. Need to be more worried about knifes not bullets.
Also the ban on pistols and stricter laws did nothing apart from peanalise thoose who were responsible and genuine reasons. As there are more illegal pistols coming into the uk now than before the law change. Stricter laws will never stop criminals.
It would be pointless even trying to explain to you the flaws/ridiculousness of what you just posted.
Using the word “knee jerk” is particularly mind blowing though
del949:
How does voting to leave the EU get rid of Cameron and Osborne? I haven’t heard anything about them resigning if we vote out.
It seems obvious that it would probably be an issue of credibility in that a Europhile Con leadership would be totally out of touch with an anti EU vote within the country and the need then for a government led by those previously committed to the out campaign.In just the same way that Benn,Shore and Powell’s fortunes within their respective Parties were sunk by the 1975 in vote.
Unfortunately in this case Boris obviously hoping to gain from an out vote than the more deserving Farage or David Davis or Liam Fox etc in the case of a UKIP and Conservative alliance.
But which obviously leaves the win win situation of putting Hoey into a much stronger position v Corbyn for Labour. IE ironically,just as in 1975, Labour stands to gain massively from an out vote if only the rest of the pro Merkel Socialist zb wits in its ranks realised it.
m_attt:
Pistols were banned in uk following a kneejerk reaction in dunblane. And minimum barrel length is something like 24" so never going to easily conceal that. Need to be more worried about knifes not bullets.
Also the ban on pistols and stricter laws did nothing apart from peanalise thoose who were responsible and genuine reasons. As there are more illegal pistols coming into the uk now than before the law change. Stricter laws will never stop criminals.
It would be pointless even trying to explain to you the flaws/ridiculousness of what you just posted.
Using the word “knee jerk” is particularly mind blowing though
It was a kneejerk reaction, a sudden ban on legal and vetted ownership doesn’t stop people going on a massacre! also show me proof that the ban on handguns has stopped all shootings?? Its growing have you noticed that most traffic cops now carry a sidearm. More rules and restrictions on responsible gun owners will not stop killings.
m_attt:
More rules and restrictions on responsible gun owners will not stop killings.
Firstly America is a worse case comparison probably as a result of serious inter ethnic friction among other numerous societal issues.Together with an arguably correct link between,what they see as,a the real need for an armed militia in the form of the 2nd Amendment to counter balance their obviously flawed Federal governmental system,in which any attempt to disarm that ‘militia’ would kick off a form of Secessionist rebellion in itself.
While the more sensible comparison would be Switzerland v UK.
The common link being that the reason for our historic ban on an armed militia,like Obama’s agenda,arguably having more to do with government outright control of the population by allowing only a state controlled armed force,than safety.
m_attt:
It was a kneejerk reaction, a sudden ban on legal and vetted ownership doesn’t stop people going on a massacre! also show me proof that the ban on handguns has stopped all shootings?? Its growing have you noticed that most traffic cops now carry a sidearm. More rules and restrictions on responsible gun owners will not stop killings.
I hear what you’re saying. You’re a gun fan and you sound like you’re responsible with it and I appreciate it ■■■■■■ you off to have to kiss ■■■ and jump through hoops to get a license but at the same time, I quite enjoy being able to walk through a shopping centre without worrying some nutcase is going to open fire and i’m sorry but my safety, peace of mind and that of my family comes before making it easier to obtain and carry a gun. I know you’re never going to stop gun crime dead (no pun intended!) but surely its better to have the odds stacked in your favour and making it harder to obtain them can only be a good thing.
There has been ONE spree killing in the UK since this “knee jerk” reaction in 1996
There have been THIRTY SEVEN in the USA since 1996 (maybe more, that’s all I could find but I was only looking for about three minutes)
I cant for the life of me work out why ANYONE would want to loosen the laws and moan about anyone wanting to make them even tighter. I don’t buy the argument of being allowed to carry a gun “to protect yourself”. Of all the mass shootings in America, I don’t ever recall reports of the shooter being fired on by anyone except the cops when they arrived.
It is very easy to buy and own a gun in America and look whats happening over there. Do you really want to live in a country where you can bump into someone and then he pulls a gun on you? Or someone cuts you up in traffic, you blast the horn and then the next thing you know he’s out of the car opening fire? Or you’re in a bar and before you know it someones shooting and you have to pray you dont get shot? Or walking at night behind a lone female who gets spooked and turns round and shoots you? Or being mistaken for someone else and getting shot in a case of mistaken identity? Because I sure as ■■■■ dont and all those examples, and many more, are entirelly possible if you make buying a gun easier. You’re entitled to your views about gun laws and wanting them relaxed but thankfully I don’t think it’ll ever happen.
del949:
How does voting to leave the EU get rid of Cameron and Osborne? I haven’t heard anything about them resigning if we vote out.
Cameron and Osbourne cannot remain themselves, upon a successful Brexit vote. The trouble is, it isn’t clear what percentage IS a “successful vote” for Brexit here.
“One vote more for Remain than Brexit” will do for the Remain camp. If the Brexit camp gets more votes though? - They will only be considered enough if it’s over 50% of the vote. 34% beating 33% just won’t cut it. Cameron will be told by the EU to “go back and have another round of voting” - which Cameron will happily oblige in doing.
A big (2:1) vote for Brexit though? - Cameron and Osbourne will be forced out by Boris and Hunt. Teresa May will be offered the chance to continue in her job by Boris - for switching allegiance to the “winners”. That would mean there’s no need for HER to go.
It’s more a question of “pushed” out then, rather than “losers resigning”. Cameron has already withdrawn his commitment to “resigning as PM by 2020”.
