Top tips on asking for a pay rise in these hard times

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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It’s at the point where the wage is not livable with everything going up around us, so I’m going to ask for a pay rise…

I have spoken to some of the other drivers and they all seem to be on more of an hourly rate than me! I’ve also found out that my wages are part of the branxh coatings so if the end of month figure is healthy & coatings ate low , the manager ( who is of the tosses variety) gets his bonus. I have to do something , money is getting tighter each week, I enjoy the job but the wage has got to be realistic to live on …

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simple. ask the boss for more money. and if you are worth it, he’ll give you a rise.

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kemaro:
It’s at the point where the wage is not livable with everything going up around us, so I’m going to ask for a pay rise…

I have spoken to some of the other drivers and they all seem to be on more of an hourly rate than me! I’ve also found out that my wages are part of the branxh coatings so if the end of month figure is healthy & coatings ate low , the manager ( who is of the tosses variety) gets his bonus. I have to do something , money is getting tighter each week, I enjoy the job but the wage has got to be realistic to live on …

Firstly mate don’t take what other drivers tell you as gospel unless you know them well and trust them, some people have a tendency to enjoy a bit of [zb] stirring.

Approach your boss politely and quietly preferably when he’s on his own and explain to him your concerns about not having enough money to live on and ask about the likelihood of a raise, try not to mention anyone’s name but point out that you’re been led to believe that other drivers are being paid more than you per hour for the same work, assuming of course that they do do the same work.

Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about when you say “my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Good luck :wink:

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Best of luck he can only say no or sack you.

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tachograph:

kemaro:
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Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about when you say “my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Good luck :wink:

I suspect it’s ‘branch costings’.

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tachograph:
Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about when you say “my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Branch costings. His wages come out of the branches budget, keep costs low and the branch meets or betters it’s targets and the manager gets his bonus. :stuck_out_tongue:

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tachograph:
“my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Good luck :wink:

It was a typo I believe. I think he means branch costings.

Era: sorry didn’t see Neil’s post :wink:

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Coffeeholic:

tachograph:
Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about when you say “my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Branch costings. His wages come out of the branches budget, keep costs low and the branch meets or betters it’s targets and the manager gets his bonus. :stuck_out_tongue:

Spot on , we work hard , he reaps the rewards, partook the reading why overtime is no more, but that is something else that I will bring up as the other branches have overtime sheets that go in each week , I saw them with my own eyes…

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kemaro:

Coffeeholic:

tachograph:
Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about when you say “my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Branch costings. His wages come out of the branches budget, keep costs low and the branch meets or betters it’s targets and the manager gets his bonus. :stuck_out_tongue:

Spot on , we work hard , he reaps the rewards, partook the reading why overtime is no more, but that is something else that I will bring up as the other branches have overtime sheets that go in each week , I saw them with my own eyes…

I assume that you need to ask this shyster for the rise ? (you implied he was)
That being the case he is unlikely to increase the Branch Costings by giving you more money I would think, now can you get any dirt on the rascal ?
Is he cooking the costings.
Is he entertaining the secretary.
Etc Etc.

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limeyphil:
simple. ask the boss for more money. and if you are worth it, he’ll give you a rise.

Trouble is, if the boss isn’t worth it he won’t!

I don’t believe drivers will ever have any real market forces control over their pay & conditions until haulier insurance becomes so expensive, that everyone is forced to be self-employed on top dollar because so many of us won’t hear of doing self-employed in this country that penalises it!

Eg.
Drivers needed for cover
Local SE want to charge £20 per hour.
Agency offers dross for £9.00 per hour, so some get booked.
INSURER increases premiums by 1000’s because of the higher perceived risk of accidents with dross drivers
FIrm doesn’t care, and plugs on. Accidents happen, insurances goes up and up until premiums are unaffordable. Firm begins to run bent, starts employing SE cash in hand ■■■■■■ to get around paying top-dollar, but they have no insurance either.
More accidents occur, people die, people start going to jail. No one was saved, not even the children. :angry:

or
Drivers needed for cover
Local SE want to charge £20 per hour.
Agency offers decent drivers for £15 per hour, firm reluctantly accepts.
Insurance premiums stay low, whilst other hauliers in the (a) disappear. Firm is finding it hard to make much money with such high overheads. :frowning:

or
Drivers needed for cover,
Firm circumvents agencies (too expensive, or only dross on books) advertises full time jobs with strict entry requirements (eg. 10 years experience, 0 points, must have driven a variety of different types of runs)
Jobs advertised at today’s better rates, but still way below what it could cost if they hung on. Eg. £600pw 40 hours.
Firm stays in business during sharp economic upturn, driver knew what nasty job market he was leaving behind for such plum T&Cs, so commits to stay a long time, customers & insurers happy because trouble is almost non-existant. Firm prospers & expands over the coming years. :slight_smile:

At the moment, insurers don’t give a toss, because they’re on a bailout promise akin to the banks. Perhaps one day soon they’ll be credit crunch/insurance collapse part II but without the anticipated bailout this time, and the game for the economy really will be changed at the ground floor in the way I’ve described in option 3. :slight_smile:

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Dodgy Permit:

kemaro:

Coffeeholic:

tachograph:
Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about when you say “my wages are part of the branch coatings”, I imagine it may mean something to other people but it means nothing to me :confused:

Branch costings. His wages come out of the branches budget, keep costs low and the branch meets or betters it’s targets and the manager gets his bonus. :stuck_out_tongue:

Spot on , we work hard , he reaps the rewards, partook the reading why overtime is no more, but that is something else that I will bring up as the other branches have overtime sheets that go in each week , I saw them with my own eyes…

I assume that you need to ask this shyster for the rise ? (you implied he was)
That being the case he is unlikely to increase the Branch Costings by giving you more money I would think, now can you get any dirt on the rascal ?
Is he cooking the costings.
Is he entertaining the secretary.

i will be asking the main boss but im sure he will want to speak to the branch manager about it, at least they are all ready aware that the branch manager hasa dislike of me after his previous rant a few weeks ago…
Etc Etc.

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PAY RISE,the letter i got about my pay cut said they were doing it to stave off job cuts,or at least try and keep them to a minium,i think the answer if i asked for a pay rise this year would be do you want a job or not,that said i got back today,2x15,1x141/2,2x13 [up to now this week] and t.o bod came out,winked,and said were looking after you. :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation:

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Winseer:

limeyphil:
simple. ask the boss for more money. and if you are worth it, he’ll give you a rise.

Trouble is, if the boss isn’t worth it he won’t!

I don’t believe drivers will ever have any real market forces control over their pay & conditions until haulier insurance becomes so expensive, that everyone is forced to be self-employed on top dollar because so many of us won’t hear of doing self-employed in this country that penalises it!

Eg.
Drivers needed for cover
Local SE want to charge £20 per hour.
Agency offers dross for £9.00 per hour, so some get booked.
INSURER increases premiums by 1000’s because of the higher perceived risk of accidents with dross drivers
FIrm doesn’t care, and plugs on. Accidents happen, insurances goes up and up until premiums are unaffordable. Firm begins to run bent, starts employing SE cash in hand ■■■■■■ to get around paying top-dollar, but they have no insurance either.
More accidents occur, people die, people start going to jail. No one was saved, not even the children. :angry:

or
Drivers needed for cover
Local SE want to charge £20 per hour.
Agency offers decent drivers for £15 per hour, firm reluctantly accepts.
Insurance premiums stay low, whilst other hauliers in the (a) disappear. Firm is finding it hard to make much money with such high overheads. :frowning:

or
Drivers needed for cover,
Firm circumvents agencies (too expensive, or only dross on books) advertises full time jobs with strict entry requirements (eg. 10 years experience, 0 points, must have driven a variety of different types of runs)
Jobs advertised at today’s better rates, but still way below what it could cost if they hung on. Eg. £600pw 40 hours.
Firm stays in business during sharp economic upturn, driver knew what nasty job market he was leaving behind for such plum T&Cs, so commits to stay a long time, customers & insurers happy because trouble is almost non-existant. Firm prospers & expands over the coming years. :slight_smile:

At the moment, insurers don’t give a toss, because they’re on a bailout promise akin to the banks. Perhaps one day soon they’ll be credit crunch/insurance collapse part II but without the anticipated bailout this time, and the game for the economy really will be changed at the ground floor in the way I’ve described in option 3. :slight_smile:

how does your dross driver rating work?

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does anybody know what employed drivers for jewson are paid? not the ones on agency…

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I would go about asking for a pay rise by asking for an appointment with the boss, rather than just going to see him.
Doing that sets out that you have given the matter some thought.
I wouldn’t mention the other guys wages as they may have been telling porkies or have a different workload to you.
Don’t go into details about your electricity bill and starting to tell him all your whinges etc., saying that the wage is no longer enough is sufficient.

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My top tip is to remember that having 6 points on your licence reduces the number of opportunities available to you.

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No offence but I don’t think you have much chance. Asking may even get you closer to the door if redundancy comes into effect. Like ady says pay cuts are happening to stave off redundancy. Not being asked to take a cut is about as good as it gets at the mo. I know your pain because my outgoings have stretched me this past year as have many. What’s the option though. Redundancy? Would you take redundancy so the other drivers can have a wage rise? Thought not, so why would any other driver want to take it so you can have a raise. Just try and plough on. When we get on a more even keel the bad firms now, will fall by the wayside when jobs free up as drivers will seek better employers that aren’t taking on right now.

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If you cannot get a wage rise ask for a couple of days more holiday as It might be better for your boss to do that rather than pay more a week .

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Are you sure your manager has the authority to increase your wage, or did you mean someone higher up?
Would have thought all your drivers would be on same pay scale as you all work for same company but in different branches.!!
p.s. is this the same manager you had a barny with and got disciplined? Wonder if thats why your not getting overtime etc.

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Foxstein:
Are you sure your manager has the authority to increase your wage, or did you mean someone higher up?
Would have thought all your drivers would be on same pay scale as you all work for same company but in different branches.!!
p.s. is this the same manager you had a barny with and got disciplined? Wonder if thats why your not getting overtime etc.

Seems to be no set pay structure whatsoever, its the same manager, I have to ask the main boss but I’m sure they will speak to him about me requesting a pay rise …