Tommy Robinson, saint or sinner?

Rjan:
What’s even more remarkable is how often I’m hearing the current Tory government referred to as “communist”!

And I was just thinking to myself in the past couple of days “I haven’t seen Carryfast mention Tito in a while”, but there we are. :laughing:

Yes no surprise that you don’t like the example of the former Yugoslavia being used because it shows the type of cluster zb and zb storm that your stinking ideology always creates sooner or later.

As for the Tories you can tell a lot about a Party by the company it keeps.In this case radical Islam in the form of the Saudis and Communist China.The fact that it’s now following Tito’s and Duranovic’s social engineering policies to the letter says everything.

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Well, I’m back, couldn’t be arsed to carry this on last night, especially with the indoctrinated left wing posters, uktramp and rijan, who true to form turn the perps into victims and shame the real victims by blaming them because they were naive children who enticed these sweet jasmine smelling fella’s to ■■■■ them multiple times for a free kebab and a bit of weed, the fellas were doing them a favour and we should be grateful to them for looking after them !

Now a question for you both, before this thread what did you know about this case ? Just to clarify it is not a new case it has been going on for 18 months, it involved 29 defendants and was about historic abuse 2004-2011 involving 18 girls aged from 11-17. Because of the high number of defendants they were being dealt with in smaller groups 10, 10 and 9 this was also the sentencing phase for group 2, all defendants have previously been found guilty of all offences, but nothing has been reported by MSM, so there wasn’t a jury to be influenced by Tommy Robinson. Also, just by coincidence, one of the defendants at Leeds Crown Court was also a defendant in another Crown Court case for historic ■■■■■■ abuse offences (ongoing) in that lovely South Yorks town that begins with R and is connected to Sheffield by a dual carriageway, he is a town councillor and hasn’t stood down, been suspended or even, god forbid, resigned.

I intend to pose questions for you two just one at a time, so you don’t have the opportunity to twist things because of your left wing ideological views if I gave you multiple questions. I hope you will be kind enough to join in the debate because you seem to be the only ones, at the moment, who cannot see the bigger picture, but hey ho that’s socialism and left wing indoctrination for yer lol.

Thanks to everyone else who has contributed, this Country has entered a very dark time and is reminiscent of a dictatorship and that’s why people need to be woken up to the threat our society and western values are under. I certainly don’t think Tommy R. is any kind of saint, he is just a white working class bloke who loves his family and his Country much like meself and just like many who use TruckNet.

So I wait with baited breath to see where this takes us next, thanks to the mods and admin for letting this thread run I really hope it doesn’t descend into a slanging match.

Regards
Dave Penn;

davepenn54:
this Country has entered a very dark time and is reminiscent of a dictatorship

It’s a laughably ham fisted and desperate attempt,by the muppets running the government here,to impose a Tito type ethnic integrationist social engineering agenda on the country.I’d guess in large part to meet Chinese foreign policy aims.Which no surprise is why Rjan’s rabble is so keen on it.In which the lesson in Yugo was that bolting a lid down on the justified dissent against it just creates a pressure cooker situation.

UKtramp:
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@uktramp, you have made a very slanderous statement there, you do realise that it is now classed as hate speech by the thought police, but I guess you feel immune because you consider yourself to be on the ‘right’ side. I really hope you can bring some tangible evidence to the table that can prove your far fetched claim, although I do know Tommy R receives much worse abuse daily, viable death threats to himself and family and has received 6 Osman warnings from Bedfordshire police, so I don’t think it is something he gets wound up about just takes it as par for the course born out of sheer ignorance and the inability to think things through in a rational manner just go with herd and believe everthing the MSM tells yer and become just like all the other sheeple.

You do understand that islam is a political ideology that masquerades as a religion of peace and it’s only goal is to implement sharia law worldwide by ■■■■■■■■■■, subjugation and the murder of unbelievers, you cannot be racist against an ideology because it isn’t a race it is a belief system that encompasses any race and therefore is open to criticism, the only thing is because you & rijan are not really in the know nobody in the UK can now criticise the religion of peace because sharia blasphemy laws have been slipped in by the backdoor whilst you were twisting yer knickers about Tommy, a totalitarian regime has introduce a law to keep all free thinkers quiet on the threat of prison without due process.

Regards
Dave Penn;

UKtramp:
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This is a radical Islamic view and by implication its zb apologists. :imp:

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davepenn54:
@uktramp, you have made a very slanderous statement there, you do realise that it is now classed as hate speech by the thought police, but I guess you feel immune because you consider yourself to be on the ‘right’ side. I really hope you can bring some tangible evidence to the table that can prove your far fetched claim, although I do know Tommy R receives much worse abuse daily, viable death threats to himself and family and has received 6 Osman warnings from Bedfordshire police, so I don’t think it is something he gets wound up about just takes it as par for the course born out of sheer ignorance and the inability to think things through in a rational manner just go with herd and believe everthing the MSM tells yer and become just like all the other sheeple.

You do understand that islam is a political ideology that masquerades as a religion of peace and it’s only goal is to implement sharia law worldwide by ■■■■■■■■■■, subjugation and the murder of unbelievers, you cannot be racist against an ideology because it isn’t a race it is a belief system that encompasses any race and therefore is open to criticism, the only thing is because you & rijan are not really in the know nobody in the UK can now criticise the religion of peace because sharia blasphemy laws have been slipped in by the backdoor whilst you were twisting yer knickers about Tommy, a totalitarian regime has introduce a law to keep all free thinkers quiet on the threat of prison without due process.

Regards
Dave Penn;

You are completely wrong on so many counts that you cannot begin to understand what I am saying, I will try for you to clarify things a little better for you. Firstly have you had any experience of the middle east yourself personally ? No I thought not. I have spent most of my working career in this region so I have witnessed first hand of my opinions.
Secondly you keep quoting this chaps name of Tommy as though you know him, obviously not on that count either, you have seen only what you have been shown via Google and youtube and made and based your opinions on that alone.
His real name is not Tommy Robinson for one thing as that is his stage name as you know him!!! I could give you lots of other useful info but as you feel and think the way you do, I am not going to bother as you are simply a keyboard weekend warrior with some strange attitude and hell bent on making out you know something everyone else doesn’t when in reality you have no experience of any of these issues that you are preaching and running your mouth off at. If you don’t agree with another opinion then debate it rather than slating insults and making out that I am a communist as I have a more educated slant on the matter than yourself. I have not once condoned the hideous crime that has been committed nor have I suggested the the average man in the street should be silenced either. Everyone may have an opinion and make their own assumptions over this matter. You are taking it as though you are somehow a middle east negotiator or have some personal interest in this when the reality is what exactly? What have you done for this cause except become another keyboard warrior on TNUK. Give it a rest as you are sounding silly.

Carryfast:

UKtramp:
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This is a radical Islamic view and by implication its zb apologists. :imp:

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Carryfast, you are pointing towards ISIS fighters here who are totally insane and are not representative of your normal Muslim or indeed any normal human being. They are barbaric and too radical even for Al-Qaeda to acknowledge. Its like comparing Ivan the terrible to Jesus.

UKtramp:

Carryfast:
This is a radical Islamic view and by implication its zb apologists. :imp:

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Carryfast, you are pointing towards ISIS fighters here who are totally insane and are not representative of your normal Muslim or indeed any normal human being. They are barbaric and too radical even for Al-Qaeda to acknowledge. Its like comparing Ivan the terrible to Jesus.

No it’s very clearly pointing towards Wahabbist/Salafist Islam of which IS is just a part.Including the reference to Cardiff mosque.

Strange how you wouldn’t want to apply your supposed hate rules,which you’re happy to apply to Robinson,to Sunni/Wahabbist/Salafist Islam in that case by outlawing everything except Yazidi Islam in this country under threat of summary internment and deportation.Bearing in mind that Pakistan for one applies the definition of jus sanguinis ( a dog born in a stable doesn’t make it a horse ) regarding citizenship. :unamused:

Basically to sum up my views for those who are confused.
Q: Do I believe TR to be a sinner or saint. A: Sinner
Q: Do I think TR should have been jailed. A: No
Q: Do I agree with what TR views are. A: Some yes, others NO
Q: Do I agree that these crimes be covered up. A: Most certainly NOT.
Q: Do I believe all Muslims are rapists A: No
Q: Do I believe in integration A: Yes
Q: Do I believe there has been a political motive behind TR arrest A: most certainly
Q: Do I believe in free speech A: mostly, but depends
Q: Am I a communist or a lefty A: NO
Q: Do I find carryfast boring A: YES
Q: Do I find carryfast Interesting A: At times
About rounds it up, that is all.

UKtramp:
Everyone has a different view on this post and has in the majority also made some very good valid and not so valid points. If one thing brings everyone to agree, it is this point, nobody can tolerate or would think that this type of behaviour and crime is anything but punishable to the highest letter of the law. However given the ethnic background of the ones who have done this and having Tommy Robinson as the speaker really doesn’t help these girls or get these low lifes the sentence that they deserve. There is another twist to this though and is regardless to the ethnic background of the traffickers and pimps. The ones “the punters” who pay the money and actually take part in this who are fuelling the pimps are equally if not more guilty than the “groomers” themselves. Are the punters all Muslim or did I see a program I recall of white British punters being involved here? All overweight middle aged white men who are paying to use these girls.This is not just an ethnic problem at all in fact they are just thrown into the spotlight because of this. You can find MPs, judges and even the charities involved. What happened about the Oxfam problem? Didn’t see Tommy Robinson on his podium there.

Whilst he may not be the ideal person he is the only one willing to stick his head up and bring attention to the issue.

I watched one of his videos and he said (roughly as I can’t remember properly) 90% of grooming is done by Muslim men who make 4% of the population! I have seen the same quote elsewhere so not just him saying it. There is an issue there that needs dealing with. Whoever brings it up should make no difference to the sentence or outcome.

Integration or lack of is an issue. I don’t care if they don’t want to integrate brit’s in Spain are the usual example who don’t. Their choice, however I am not aware that they are committing mass scale ■■■ crimes. If that’s ok according to their culture thats fine for them but not in this country thanks.

It doesn’t matter what you think of Tommy Robinson, the fact that a judge can sentence someone to 13 months in prison without a proper trial where he can have proper defence, and the press are banned from publishing the story should be of concern to everyone.

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Rjan:

muckles:
So his arrest, whether it is for a legitimate reason or not, has stopped him broadcasting, but has given him a far higher exposure and status to many, hence the pages about him on here, the vast coverage on social media platforms, petitions for his release, demonstrations. When he’s released his words will carry a greater significance for a far wider audience. Do you think that is a good thing?

Indeed, but what do you do? He can’t be legally untouchable no matter what he does, simply because he has a following. Most of his followers will say that anything that the state does to prevent him whipping up a pogrom of Muslim communities, is an outrageous unjustified attack on him.

I know his ■■■■■■■■ follows will hang on every word he says, but this arrest will help him him pick up new supporters.

Although judging from the comments in the video, he may have allienated some of his ■■■■■■■■ supporters when he interviewed a Transsexual journalist recently.

Rjan:
If he was being silenced for political views, or indeed for having simply told the truth on some or other matter, I’d be signing the petition myself. I actually felt a bit sorry for Nick Griffin that time when he appeared on Question Time - although at other points in the same program, I also remember cheering at the telly.

I’m pleased to hear that, it was basically the fundamental point I was trying to make, we must defend the right of those who stick their heads above the parapet and are a thorn in the side of the establishment even if we don’t agree with them.

I think Nick Griffin is a great example of why we should although these people a mainstream platform, that’s where they can be challenged and when their arguments are found lacking substance

Rjan:
The real problem with the far-right like always is the economic situation, the strains and insecurities that feed into a general sense of dissatisfaction and anger. Even in this story, as much as it is about Muslims, it is also clearly about powerful authorities that “don’t listen” and “cover up” and are otherwise unresponsive, malign, and corrupt, but it’s a peculiarity of the far-right that scapegoats form the pivot against which these dissatisfactions with power are expressed, rather than confronting power directly as the left do.

I think the extremes on both sides play identity politics, putting people into groups either to vilify but that’s dangerous, we are individual and often can fit into many groups, by some I would be put into a group of white middle aged working class male and considered to hold the views that certain extreme groups attach to that group of people, when I know that is far from the truth.
The same goes for other groups who are more regularly lumped together, we get the black community label, when they make up of many different type of people some will have more in common with me than those from some inner city estate, but they get stereotyped even though they maybe Doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, but they’re all lumped together to fit some political agenda.

UKtramp:
Q: Do I believe all Muslims are rapists A: No
Q: Do I believe in integration A: Yes
Q: Do I believe there has been a political motive behind TR arrest A: most certainly
Q: Do I believe in free speech A: mostly, but depends
Q: Am I a communist or a lefty A:NO

Do I believe that all Muslims are rapists.No.

Do I believe that Wahabbist/Salafist Islam is an inherently women degrading and in addition ■■■■ condoning culture.Yes.

Do I believe that Sunni in general let alone Iranian Shia revolutionary Islam is much better. No.

Do those versions of Islam have any place within western society.No.

Do I believe in free speech for anyone who tacitly supports the above versions of Islam.No.

Do I believe in free speech for Communists just as Nazis.No

Do I believe in internment of Communists and internment and deportation of radical Islamists.Yes.

Was the Communist Yugoslav ethnic integrationist policy of Brotherhood and Unity a despotic inherent piece of Communist ideology,which predictably resulted in unnecessary suffering for those living in the Balkans,when the lid equally predictably and eventually blew off it.Yes.

Did Western pro Islamic anti Serb/Croat nationalist foreign policy then result in radical Salafist/Wahabbist Islam creating a Bosnian stronghold in Europe.Yes.

Is there any difference in those pro Islamic policies and current UK foreign policy regarding Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and domestic social engineering policies in that they mimic Tito’s Brotherhood and Unity policy.No it’s all the same policy.

Does that also by implication make those who support such ethnic integration policies Communists just like Tito was.Yes.

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as the first comment says, are they taking the ■■■■ now :unamused:

The word in Hull is that Robbo is in the infirmary after getting paggered in Hedon Road

Churchill said Islam in a man is like rabies in a dog. Tommy Robinson is the proverbial canary in the coal mine. Ignore him at your peril. Lefty liberals would have you believe all is well.

Wheel Nut:
The word in Hull is that Robbo is in the infirmary after getting paggered in Hedon Road

I would be more surprised if he makes it out of prison alive.

@wheel nut, story isn’t true, he is absolutely fine and is at Leeds Crown Court tomorrow not sure why but that is the state of play.

@trampus, I had done a big response to your very abusive post to me, but somehow deleted it so once again I’m outta here for tonight, will chase you up after I get home from Leeds Crown Court tomorrow. You are on my hook now and I’m not letting someone with such an overblown ego get away with promoting far left propaganda and misinformation without a robust and truthful response.

Regards
Dave Penn;

I’ve now edited my response and realised straight away, in haste, I had made it sound I was making out it was one poster who was abusive when really it was the other poster :blush: sorry mate :slight_smile:

davepenn54:
you are on my hook now and I,m not letting someone with such an overblown ego get away with promoting far left propaganda and misinformation without a robust and truthful response.
Regards
Dave Penn;

Far left propaganda?? Just shows your knowledge. And for the record I am on pre-mod so don’t expect a response as it will more likely not get posted. Think your hook needs sharpening up a bit first.