Tommy Robinson, saint or sinner?

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We’ve got two lots of elections coming up.

The powers thought they’d be clever in banning EDL, BNP, and other so-called “Far” Right parties rather than the “Nationalist” ones like Sinn Fein, SNP, and BNP.

Thus, the SNP and Sinn Fein - get left on the field.

Then This happens.

Meanwhile, those voters who now cannot vote for one of the actual banned parties, even if they wanted to - are now likely to aggregate their votes towards UKIP I would have thought.

SO our illustrious authorities - have now shot themselves in BOTH feet now then!

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Winseer:
Meanwhile, those voters who now cannot vote for one of the actual banned parties, even if they wanted to - are now likely to aggregate their votes towards UKIP I would have thought.

SO our illustrious authorities - have now shot themselves in BOTH feet now then!

They’ll just resort to the usual MO of vote rigging.It’s gone way past the point where democracy matters to them any more.

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They’ve still got Farage doing the controlled opposition dance, instead of destroying the BNP his new task is to ■■■■■■■ UKIP, which now seems almost as vilified as the BNP when it suddenly starting getting increased numbers of votes in the EU elections.

Anyone noticed how he’s suddenly getting positive media attention, a cynical person might wonder why.

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Juddian:
They’ve still got Farage doing the controlled opposition dance, instead of destroying the BNP his new task is to ■■■■■■■ UKIP, which now seems almost as vilified as the BNP when it suddenly starting getting increased numbers of votes in the EU elections.

Anyone noticed how he’s suddenly getting positive media attention, a cynical person might wonder why.

Although I’d sussed May you were spot on about Farage.

Although I should have seen that the signs were there in the form of the questions why would anyone supposedly totally against the European Communities Act have idolised …Thatcher.You know the same Thatcher who supported Heath’s sell out of the country in 1975.Or who thinks it’s ok to allow anyone to vote the country out of existence.Let alone in the form of Cameron’s rigged,binding if remain wins and non binding if they lose, Referendum.Then he walks away with the job unfinished telling everyone to trust May.While also throwing Nationalist groups across Europe and at home under the bus using typical establishment language of so called ‘far right extremism’.

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Juddian:

Winseer:
I’m surprised this OP title hasn’t flagged up, and been shut down yet?

If facetwit twitbook or gaggle owned this site i’m quite certain those posts not towing the mainstream line of condemning Tommy would already have been removed, quite likely those posters already under the scrutiny of GCHQ as it is.

Does it push down TNUK on google searches then? - Serious question! :open_mouth:

In any case, a week after the authorities cracked down on what they deemed to be “Far Right Extremists” - we now have an emboldened Far LEFT stepping into the vacuum, with an IRA murder this week already, and now today over 200 people killed in a massive attack in Sri Lanka - aimed at Tourists and Christians attending churches. I wonder who could possibly be behind THAT bearing in mind “no one has apparently claimed responsibility as yet”. Yeh - sure baz!

Even these “Extinction” rabble - seem to have got together a rather well-organized world of bother for London, when they should be badgering actual politicians on their countryside jaunts, I would have thought.

How much can happen - when you ban the effective opposition to it, eh? :frowning:

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Juddian:
They’ve still got Farage doing the controlled opposition dance, instead of destroying the BNP his new task is to ■■■■■■■ UKIP, which now seems almost as vilified as the BNP when it suddenly starting getting increased numbers of votes in the EU elections.

Anyone noticed how he’s suddenly getting positive media attention, a cynical person might wonder why.

I would say this “Isn’t about Farage” - but “about preventing UKIP from winning loads of council seats” in in the May 2nd elections three weeks before the Euro elections which will be the first that both UKIP and Brexit Party will be on the same ballot for.

With Farage’s Brexit Party “not on the local election papers” - he is not seen as a threat in the shorter term by the mainstream. It is all about putting people off voting for Batten’s UKIP.

…BUT…

If UKIP get a poor showing IN these council elections, then Government will be emboldened to then admit that Brexit is scrapped, and there’s no need for a general election until June 2022 - thus keeping 118 rebel Tories on board whom are now the ONLY ones who could force an election before it’s due date. The 1922 committee - meets this coming week to consider what they want to do (if anything) about May’s disasterous leadership, who has now made “Being Right Wing” toxic for the Tories, and leaned towards the Left narrative that has Brexit as being the “Ultimate Project of the Right” in our lifetimes.
A big mistake, and huge missed opportunity for Labour actually. UKIP were not seen as a danger, because of their ongoing financial weakness. They can only afford to pitch candidates in less than half the wards, and only one single candidate per ward when the main parties have three each.
Imagine a Labour government where they didn’t have to ever raise taxes, or borrow again… THAT was there in the Brexit Prize waiting for them - if they’d only had the balls to stand up to the EU.
Now,Labour risk being sent into oblivion over Brexit as much as the Tories do.

Government has lost control of the narrative, because Government do not and cannot ever control Social Media.

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All this apparent “support for Farage” in the mainstream media - is only temporary, I suggest. It is to put people off voting UKIP in the council elections, which once been and gone - can then revert to the usual type of slagging off Farage about anything and everything in time to put people off voting Brexit Party in the Euro elections to follow.

I lean towards the notion of backing Batten in the Council elections, where Brexit Party are absent from all ballot papers, but voting for EITHER in the Euro elections, where because of their PR system - “every vote counts” and there will be “no vote splitting”.

If we don’t get that Protest Vote out LARGE - then the government - will just let Brexit rot in the ground, where Cooper’s bill buried it weeks ago. :bulb:

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I wish i wasn’t on the money re Farage CF.

Winseer.
If it all goes quiet in Sri Lanka, like the investigation into Notre Dame which appears to have gorn up in minutes following some clumsy builder’s mistake, despite naked flames burning within for centuries, we’ll know what the cause is, mental illness, nothing to see here move along now, and give generously.
Wonder if we’ll see the msm still giving wall to wall coverage like that of the Christchurch episode a week or more later?

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Winseer:
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Who would have happily supported the idea of a Federal Europe even at the point of a gun to stop secession just like he did at home.

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Juddian:
I wish i wasn’t on the money re Farage CF.

Winseer.
If it all goes quiet in Sri Lanka, like the investigation into Notre Dame which appears to have gorn up in minutes following some clumsy builder’s mistake, despite naked flames burning within for centuries, we’ll know what the cause is, mental illness, nothing to see here move along now, and give generously.
Wonder if we’ll see the msm still giving wall to wall coverage like that of the Christchurch episode a week or more later?

I too wonder how long these various stories will run, and how much coverage they’ll get?
Being nearer us Notre Dame maybe got more coverage than the loss of an old building further away? And fortunately no-one was killed.
Christchurch is far off, but is notably an English speaking country with many ties here, and no history of violence.
Sri Lanka has more recent history of conflict and fewer ties to the UK. It seems some UK citizens were harmed, and the press are focusing on that it seems.

The press will cover mostly what people read most about. Any story getting lots of hits will generate revenue and so will encourage more similarly themed stories.

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World governments - have just cracked down only recently on so-called “Far Right” movements, which has now created a power vacuum, and emboldened the more militant of the far Left.

IRA killing
“Soft-Touch” policing in London despite the “Exctinct Party” causing more environmental damage than an entire year of gweenhouth gathes emissions.
A Sri Lankan government that were warned of an imminent Islamic Attack, but chose to ignore it as “nothing of consequence”.
Social Media censorship of anything and anyone who doesn’t toe the line regarding

“Look into my eyes… Russia is your bogeyman we have created for you - Not Islam!”

It seems to me that we’re going to have to get back on the “War on Terror” horse, and ditch these pretentions that we can somehow beat Russia, China, and America in pretty much anything at all.

Climate Protestors - need to protest in Tiannamen Square, if they are REAL serious about their activism.
They put protestors up against the wall - and shoot them over there. But there’s no need to be put off by hard facts, I guess.
Today’s climate protestors - are now causing bother in the Natural History Museum, I read… Who TF let them in THERE as “Peaceful Entry”■■?

Mass Hysteria - has made the biggest comeback since Hitler under our weak and ineffective governments.

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Winseer:
World governments - have just cracked down only recently on so-called “Far Right” movements, which has now created a power vacuum, and emboldened the more militant of the far Left.

IRA killing
“Soft-Touch” policing in London despite the “Exctinct Party” causing more environmental damage than an entire year of gweenhouth gathes emissions.
A Sri Lankan government that were warned of an imminent Islamic Attack, but chose to ignore it as “nothing of consequence”.
Social Media censorship of anything and anyone who doesn’t toe the line regarding

“Look into my eyes… Russia is your bogeyman we have created for you - Not Islam!”

It seems to me that we’re going to have to get back on the “War on Terror” horse, and ditch these pretentions that we can somehow beat Russia, China, and America in pretty much anything at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdN_RBI08-s
Climate Protestors - need to protest in Tiannamen Square, if they are REAL serious about their activism.
They put protestors up against the wall - and shoot them over there. But there’s no need to be put off by hard facts, I guess.
Today’s climate protestors - are now causing bother in the Natural History Museum, I read… Who TF let them in THERE as “Peaceful Entry”■■?
Extinction Rebellion: Climate change protesters at Natural History Museum - BBC News

Mass Hysteria - has made the biggest comeback since Hitler under our weak and ineffective governments.

What so called ‘Far Right’ movements are you referring to?

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When facebook closes down peoples accounts on one side of politics - without closing down extremist accounts on BOTH sides - then you know they are doing so because they’ve been instructed to act thus by the powers.

After all, if they’d just acted on their own account, these now-banned parties could claim “discrimination” and violations of free speech. How can you ban one without banning outfits like Antifa and Momentum who fill social media up with their hate speech, whilst often pretending to be someone else…

They are easy to spot, these far LEFT activists. They are what I would call “The Potty-Mouthed”.

Unable to speak to people without resorting to foul language and hate speech from the start.
The moment it looks like they are going to be reported for death threats upon people talking about voting UKIP for example - they try and pretend they are “Hitler Lovers” or something, thus deflecting any ire - straight onto the Far RIGHT’s activists.

I’ve yet to see any video of TR talking hate speech even against say, the bombers of Sri Lanka last weekend.

…Nor have i seen videos of him beating people up…

… Nor do I believe there are no videos of far left thugs doing exactly the same thing, but left entirely unmolested by the same people who’ve already made the decision on ALL of our behalfs - that “Slightly Right=Hitler, Far Left=Trendy” as it has been for some time now.

The biggest lie of all gets perpetuated there of course:

There have been no actual nazis since the Nuremburg trials executed the last of them, or Wiesenthal’s outfit successfully “extradited” them from South America.

People associate “Nationalism” with Far Right, and “Socialism” with Far Left.

“National Socialism” then - gets branded as Far RIGHT for nearly a century now. How come Nationalism became the dirty word, whilst Socialism with it’s godless creed, “steal someone else’s cash, and spend it on someone who’‘’ eventually turn on you” progressive policy of empowering those whom nature would otherwise have already selected to fall by the wayside…?

I believe in Natural Science and Natural Law myself.
If we won’t let nature take it’s course in the world - nature will take it’s own course on it’s own account instead, and gweenhouth gathes be damned!

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TR is now standing in the EU elections representing the “Working Class Brexiteer” in the North West of England ward.

The banning of EDL and BNP and BF - will drive their former supporters - into the arms of UKIP now that he has shifted Right to meet them, and give the population two distinct shades of “Purple” to vote for in both the Euro elections (where the vote aggregates, rather than gets split) and later the General Election, where Farage’s party - will be looking for a coalition partner who mustn’t “obviously” be the Tories or pre-right shifted UKIP.
We’re led to believe that there is animosity between Farage and both Batten and the senior Tory cabinet.

I can see Brexit Party winning the same number of seats as Cameron in 2010, and looking for a coalition partner - that will need to evade the Tories imo because by that point - only the Tory Remainers will be left as a Rump, which might not even be large enough to get a 300 seat “largest seat party” over the line.

Getting to 300 seats - is also likely to involve the defection of about 118 Tory Brexiteers, plus the 6 Labour Brexiteers, making up quite a large number of that 300 right there.
“Critical Mass” for Farage then - is being able to win about 170 seats in his own right. The rest falls into place - as soon as he gets to 170, I suggest.

Batten’s UKIP meanwhile - might win a handful of seats up and down the country - but the essential stepping stone to such an outcome at any future general election - is finishing SECOND in the upcoming Euro elections.
…And funnily enough, there might by this point be enough “extremists” from the far LEFT who are sick of the lack of action getting Corbyn into power - who might well look to “lending their votes” to Batten’s UKIP in a similar manner to the 3.5m 2015 UKIP voters who would seem to have loaned their vote to Corbyn in the 2017 election…

Or does anyone else have an alternative explanation to why UKIP’s poll fell from nearly 4m in 2015 to 500,000 in 2017 - whilst Corbyn’s “expected to lose 50-100 seats” poll - actually surged by almost exactly the same amount UKIP’s fell by? Just look at the facts, and form your own conclusions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Unit … l_election

… Of course, this isn’t obvious - as the article chooses to ignore how many votes UKIP got in both 2015 and 2017 polls.

The mainstream might not be paying attention - but I do!

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the maoster:
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You’re going to have to explain this to me. Who exactly are you pointing to?

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dexxy57:

the maoster:
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You’re going to have to explain this to me. Who exactly are you pointing to?

Might as well start with the unholy alliance between UK/US and the Saudi head chopping savages.

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dexxy57:

the maoster:
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You’re going to have to explain this to me. Who exactly are you pointing to?

C’mon Dexxy, you’ve proved yourself intelligent and eloquent enough to figure that one out.

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Winseer:
Or does anyone else have an alternative explanation to why UKIP’s poll fell from nearly 4m in 2015 to 500,000 in 2017 -!

UKIP were essentially formed as a Brexit party weren’t they? By 2017 we’d voted for Brexit. So what else had they to sell to the voters?

I think UKIP are a bunch of ■■■■■■ but I also think it’s nothing short of a scandal that 4m votes for them in 2015 resulted in only 1 seat. In a fair electoral system that just shouldn’t happen, but, that’s FPTP for you.

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the maoster:

dexxy57:

the maoster:
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You’re going to have to explain this to me. Who exactly are you pointing to?

C’mon Dexxy, you’ve proved yourself intelligent and eloquent enough to figure that one out.

I like the slogan and I like the image, but, sorry, it’s going right over my head as to who you’re referring to. Unless I’m reading too much into it, which I tend to do from time to time.