Do you have to do a printout after every shift,I know some employers will say no to save on paper,I was told you had too in case you were stopped then you could produce evidence of your hours,some are saying that all the data is stored in the card (which is obvious) and when you download it that is all which is needed,I’m still under the printout at the end of shift mode…anyone settle this one for me…Cheers
FH12Volvo:
Do you have to do a printout after every shift
NO - that is why you have a digital card to store the information on
The ‘save the trees brigade’ will get you if you keep using paper
The only reason as far as Im concerned to print out, is if your an agency driver, and want a back up to prove your hours to the agency, with regard to attendance on site and pay. As most agencies don
t have the facilities to download your card at their office. Should there be an issue, its far easier to photocopy a printout & fax that across, than try and get the haulier to send across a screen print.
Otherwise don`t print out, and hug a tree
Thanks guys,I thought it seemed daft thats why I wanted to ask as I was told otherwise,and call off the brigade rog…no more printouts,saving trees.lol.
i,ve had my truck nearly a year now and only ever done 2 printouts, the 1st was by accident as i didnt know what the buttons were for and the 2nd was to check it was still working
Whilst I agree with everything said in this thread about daily printouts it may be worth noting that to “Fail to ensure printing can be carried out on request” because of a faulty tachograph printing facility is an offence that carries a fixed penalty of £120.
It may be worth doing a partial printout that shows the driver details and date from time to time and keeping it to show that you’ve done everything reasonably possible to check that the printing facility works.
There is no legal requirement for you to “printout” at the end of every shift, so don’t do it…
i would say there is a legal requirement to do a print out every morning at if you don’t how would you know that it works as tachograph as said it a fine of £120 if it does not print and if there as for a print out at the side of the road and it does not work you would not have a leg to stand on as you did not do a test print as part of your checks
just a few fines you can get
Failure to ensure that printing can be carried out correctly in the event of an inspection by failure to provide sufficient printing material
Article 14(1) Regulation 3821/85/EEC
£60
Failure to ensure that printing can be carried out correctly in the event of an inspection(other than failure to provide sufficient printing material)
Article 14(1) Regulation 3821/85/EEC
£120
so going on this i would say its part of your daily checks now and should be done each day
No way is there a legal requirement to do daily printouts, but if you get stopped and can’t provide a requested printout and you can’t show that you’ve at least tried to see that it works then you could get the fixed penalty.
Having said that I think it would be a very harsh decision to give a fixed penalty if you could show that you’ve tested the printout facility regularly … say once a week, and then you should only need enough of the printout to show the vehicle and drivers details plus the date not a full printout
It would be interesting to hear what VOSA expect on the subject of faulty printout facilities on the digital tachograph.
tachograph:
No way is there a legal requirement to do daily printouts, but if you get stopped and can’t provide a requested printout and you can’t show that you’ve at least tried to see that it works then you could get the fixed penalty.Having said that I think it would be a very harsh decision to give a fixed penalty if you could show that you’ve tested the printout facility regularly … say once a week, and then you should only need enough of the printout to show the vehicle and drivers details plus the date not a full printout
It would be interesting to hear what VOSA expect on the subject of faulty printout facilities on the digital tachograph.
hi mate i found this
in Article 14:
(a) paragraph 1 shall be replaced by the following:
‘1. The employer shall issue a sufficient number
of record sheets to drivers of vehicles fitted with
recording equipment in conformity with Annex I,
bearing in mind the fact that these sheets are
personal in character, the length of the period of
service and the possible obligation to replace
sheets which are damaged, or have been taken by
an authorised inspecting officer. The employer
shall issue to drivers only sheets of an approved
model suitable for use in the equipment installed
in the vehicle.
Where the vehicle is fitted with recording
equipment in conformity with Annex IB, the
employer and the driver shall ensure that, taking
into account the length of the period of service,
the printing on request referred to in Annex IB
can be carried out correctly in the event of an
inspection.’;
[/quote]this bit in bold is about digital tachographs basing my post on this only way you could know that the printer is working is by doing a test print and i would think IMHO if you did not do a print out that morning as part of your checks to see that the printer works if you did not you would in fact be done, cos how else would you prove to vosa that the you checked the printer
I don’t think you would need to prove to VOSA that you checked your printer, it either has paper in it or it doesn’t but in the 3 or 4 times I was pulled into any control with a digi, no one ever asked me to do a printout, they just took my card to the van and brought it back 10 minutes later with a smiley Au Revoir or Danke.
One bloke had a handheld computer and a curly wire, he plugged it into the USB port while standing on my top step and was gone within 2 minutes.
i would agree but if you can be fined for it not working how could you defend yourself if you did not check it was working in your daily checks
there say there fine you 120 for it not working ever if there paper in it
if you have no paper in it you get fined it you as the driver to make sure you have paper and that the printer works if you take a printout in the morning and it does not work when stopped you done all you can and therefore you should not get fined, but if you did not do a test print and you were stopped at the road side you would have no proof of a check and therefore open yourself up to the fine
look at it this way this is my opinion if you driver a truckk with a faulty tachograph i.e. the printer was not working you would have to use some paper that is part to say you printer is faulty and when you return to the yard have it fixed (or could you leave the yard knowing it faulty ) this one is for vosa i think
peirre:
The only reason as far as Im concerned to print out, is if your an agency driver, and want a back up to prove your hours to the agency, with regard to attendance on site and pay. As most agencies don
t have the facilities to download your card at their office. Should there be an issue, its far easier to photocopy a printout & fax that across, than try and get the haulier to send across a screen print.Otherwise don`t print out, and hug a tree
Right on,that’s the way I do it.
I don’t mind using my own paper at £3 a roll.
im agency at the moment and most trucks i drive don’t automaticly do a print out when you remove your card but some do. is there any way to switch the automatic printouts off. i get sick of waiting the extra 20 seconds at the end of my shift for the paper to come out only for me to chuck it in the bin
Automatic printouts ■■?
That’s a new one on me, I didn’t think any digital tachograph did a printout without the driver calling it
What make of digital tachograph are you using when you get these automatic printouts ?
the siemans one. yeah ive driven loads of them that do this. you just press the eject button to get your card out and without being asked if I wanted a printout. the message on the screen appears printout strarted… the lorry I drove yesterday did this thats what made me ask
This was the one fitted in my MAN and it only printed out when you asked it, unless I pressed the wrong button
bestbooties:
I don’t mind using my own paper at £3 a roll.
cough … splutter!! … paying £3 a roll, to use your own tacho roll in someones truck.
its easy to accumilate the odd paper roll and carry it in your kit bag.
It also covers you for the “spare” roll thats *meant* to be in your truck, that
s never there.
The £3 should be used on another kind of roll … bacon filled… extra large
The only other paper roll you should carry, should have an andrex puppy attached to it
thats the same one im on about wheelnut. different lorry and the same thing happened today
As an operator, if drivers keep using the printer paper as they have a printing fetish and then theres none left when you are stopped and asked for a printout although they should have a means of reading directly off the card then that’s a pain in the bum.
You should only print out when you go over your hours and you need to write on the printout the reason why at the earliest stopping opportunity or you are asked for a printout by dibble. You should keep a written or mental record of your driving hours, I will of course let you off the odd time you need to print out as we all forget what we’ve done exactly but printing every shift means we’re all doomed…
And who checks there’s paper in it at the start of every shift, not I that’s for sure.