ROG:
To make you all happy, I have invited our resident VOSA expert to reply on this…
geebee45:
ROG has asked me to reply
Thank you for doing so 
When I did my CPC in 1992 the tutor had no knowledge other than the notes he was supplied with by the college. He could not answer questions from students.
This I believe is the case in many aspects of training courses. It is a well paid deal at around £20-30 per hour, with no practical knowledge required, just the ability to read from the course notes.
Perhaps it would be better for dCPC to be done by VOSA staff who may at least have a working knowledge of the subject and also have access to accurate information to answer queries.
It may also be cheaper.
geebee45:
Neil said;Part of this thread is also about trainers possibly dispensing ■■■■■■■■ as fact on these training courses, something they are unable to teach a course without doing it seems.
I totally agree with what you are saying. I would add that this applies to some enforcement officers as well, the tragedy is they should know better
Yep, a couple of them have proved that on here in the past.
joedwyer1:
when you get pulled they can check all your licence stuff on the computer via their walkie talkie any way
I wouldn’t bank on them getting accurate info from DVLA.
I have full D1E entitlement on my plastic licence expiring in 2026 and provisional D1E entitlement expiring in 2012 on the counterpart. (Some years back they removed any provisional entitlements from licences unless you asked to retain them. They then charged you if you wanted to have them reinstated at a later date.)
Another point, my vehicles are registered showing a town 2 miles away whilst my DL shows the village I live in. Neither department will alter the details to have uniformity.
A few years ago I was asked to present my vehicle at the LVLO, but the address they gave me was over two years out of date.
If VOSA do check with DVLA you could be waiting for hours to get the correct information.
geebee45:
There was nothing ‘cocked up’ regarding implementation dates differing between PSV and LGV. The original legislation from Europe meant that PSV drivers were subject to dCPC one year before LGV drivers. Basically there are far fewer holders of PSV licences and it was viewed that staggered starting dates was a good thing. .
But I still cannot find where it says in the rules that the PSV entitlement will last 6 years. There is nothing on the DSA or CPC web sites and nothing in the leaflet that they send out with the card.
Something I did find was this on the DSA web site:
Ministers have also decided to require those drivers with ‘acquired rights’ who hold an old-style (paper) driving licence to exchange it for photo-card a licence as part of the process for being issued with a driving qualification card. This change will require further changes to legislation which will be introduced at the earliest opportunity.
SBD
somerset bus driver:
But I still cannot find where it says in the rules that the PSV entitlement will last 6 years. There is nothing on the DSA or CPC web sites and nothing in the leaflet that they send out with the card.
No Government agency has published on any website what the situation is in regard to the periodic driver cpc and the DQC expiry date(s) when a driver has both PCV & LGV.
I only found out by calling the driver cpc hotine 0n 0191 201 8112.
waddy640:
When I did my CPC in 1992 the tutor had no knowledge other than the notes he was supplied with by the college. He could not answer questions from students.This I believe is the case in many aspects of training courses. It is a well paid deal at around £20-30 per hour, with no practical knowledge required, just the ability to read from the course notes.
Perhaps it would be better for dCPC to be done by VOSA staff who may at least have a working knowledge of the subject and also have access to accurate information to answer queries.
It may also be cheaper.
I am not sure whether this really makes them a bad teacher if the tutor cannot answer irrelevant questions, he is teaching the CPC from supplied notes, the current course notes will be in that tutor pack. You are expected to learn from the study pack or other media. The teacher steers the pupil towards the correct syllabus.
I remember asking a question of a very well respected Hazchem / ADR trainer 30 years ago. The ADR card was only for EU work at the time, Alan Walker did not know the answer, but it didn’t make him a bad teacher, he was one of the very best in the business.
Diesel Dave will give the absolutely correct word for word answer about modern ADR, but if he is not 100% sure about another matter not connected to the it, he will either refuse to answer or suggest he does not know the exact answer.
Too many tutors are spouting ■■■■■■■■ because they can get away with it. Why would you expect a VOSA man to be any different.
A good teacher can teach anything with the correct support material, a bad one will make it up as he goes along.
It was not a critcism of the tutors, but making the point that with a working knowledge more accurate answers could be given.
Presumably the person that gave the wrong info in OP was covering his back rather than saying he did not know for sure.
waddy640:
Presumably the person that gave the wrong info in OP was covering his back rather than saying he did not know for sure.
Any good trainer will say “I do not know” rather than guess at it
somerset bus driver:
To Carry or Not to Carry?I recentley did the Driver CPC “training” and was told by the instructors that “You MUST carry your DRIVING licence at ALL times that you are driving professionally”
I had never seen this in writing before so I asked them exactly where this was written down. They couldn’t show me but told me to ask VOSA.
If you want something to show the instructors who told you this nonsense show them this email I received yesterday in response to an enquirey I submitted to the DVLA after this question came up on Saturday.
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Re: Email DVLA - Drivers Form 36 (KMM694123I15977L0KM)
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From:
DVLA Email donotreply.contactcentre@dvla.gsi.gov.uk
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To: xxxxxxxxxxx@btinternet.com
Dear Mr Hobbs
Thank you for your email received on 27/2/10. Your email reference number is 262454.
I can confirm that you are not legally required to carry your licence with you at all times while driving in the UK.
However, as an LGV driver, if you are driving outside the UK at any time, then it is a requirement in most European countries to keep your documents with you.
If you require any further advice, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser:
emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildv … ivers.html
When filling in the form the email reference number 262454 will be required.
Regards
A Prichard
Customer Enquiries Group
DVLA
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Now that’s straight from the horses mouth. 
Some extra info regarding the expiry dates of Driver CPC cards.
I checked a colleagues card today. He also has all C & D options listed on his card with the 2019 expiry date, however, he doesn’t hold an HGV C licence…!!
So I cannot understand the DSAs “standards” in all of this.
I still think “■■■■ up” is the best description…
SBD
somerset bus driver:
Some extra info regarding the expiry dates of Driver CPC cards.I checked a colleagues card today. He also has all C & D options listed on his card with the 2019 expiry date, however, he doesn’t hold an HGV C licence…!!
I bet I know the answer to this… When did he pass his car test - before or after 1997■■?
Before 1997.
But I’m sure its what was mentioned earlier…the government had staggered start dates for PSV and HGV but now they’ve lumped them all together, giving PSV drivers a clear 6 years to obtain their next driver CPC card from their start date of 2013.
The paper that the DQC was attached to said “Further information can be found at www.transportoffice.co.uk/cpc” which takes you to the Namesco web site sales page… and a message appears saying the site name has been registered for a customer
How do they manage to run the country eh?! 
SBD
globby 480:
… only thing you have to carry if you have one is your adr licence if carrying haz cargos!!! and ur digi card if got one aswell
Hi globby 480, that’s nearly right mate. 
As well as an ADR licence when carrying an ADR regulated load, you have also needed some form of photographic ID since July 2005 for UK work.
As you said, a digi-card would suffice, but for those without a digi-card, the plastic part of the two-part driving licence would be acceptable cos it has a photo.
For those doing ADR work without a digi-card and just the old (perfectly valid) paper licence, then a passport would also be OK. Other acceptable forms of photographic ID for ADR work include: airport security pass, trade-union membership card, taxi driver’s badge, site access badge issued by a large site such as Wilton, Stanlow or Shellhaven. Even something contrived by the driver’s employer would be acceptable, because the employer has (hopefully) ascertained the identity of the driver before employing him/her.