somerset bus driver:
If you only have the paper driving licence, then your Driver CPC card will cost you £25, if you require one.
Holders of the plastic driving licence will receive their Driver CPC card free (with the photo and signature from the on line system) when your trainer uploads your 35 hours attendance of the “course”.
The automatic issue of the DQC can only apply where drivers hold a UK photocard licence. Those drivers holding a paper licence will need to apply for a DQC, supplying a photograph and paying a fee of £25. Alternatively, they may obtain a photocard licence before completing 35 hours of Periodic Training. The fee for licence exchange is currently £19. Given their age profiles and the need for medical renewal, we expect there to be very few professional drivers that do not hold a UK photocard licence.
If anyone has a rare paper licence then exchange it for £19 as it is the cheaper way
My son showed me a memo from his company to all their drivers last week,to say that all drivers should carry their plastic driving licence card because if stopped by the bill or vostapo,it will inform them you have grandfather rights for not yet having a CPC.
WTF is this all about?
That’s a good point there bestbooties, is the requirement to prove you have cpc the same as the digicard, ie you have to carry the driver cpc card/licence or the same as requirement to produce, where you have seven days to do so?
bestbooties:
My son showed me a memo from his company to all their drivers last week,to say that all drivers should carry their plastic driving licence card because if stopped by the bill or vostapo,it will inform them you have grandfather rights for not yet having a CPC.
WTF is this all about?
Total [ZB] !!
If the police or VOSA need to know that then they can access the info on the DVLA computer which will tell them the date when the first LGV or PCV licence was first granted
It was this type of thing that lead to the DQC exemption card scam (it was called a scam by VOSA)
To make this crystal clear - For those with aquired (grandfather) driver cpc rights there is no legal requirement to carry anything
bestbooties:
My son showed me a memo from his company to all their drivers last week,to say that all drivers should carry their plastic driving licence card because if stopped by the bill or vostapo,it will inform them you have grandfather rights for not yet having a CPC.
WTF is this all about?
Total [ZB] !!
If the police or VOSA need to know that then they can access the info on the DVLA computer which will tell them the date when the first LGV or PCV licence was first granted
It was this type of thing that lead to the DQC exemption card scam (it was called a scam by VOSA)
Well this is copied from the DSA Drivers CPC guide:
For existing drivers, their ‘acquired rights’ means that their driving licence will be
accepted as proof of their Driver CPC status until they have completed their 35
hours training within the first 5 year cycle at which point they will be issued with
a DQC.
So, whilst there is NO law saying you must carry your driving licence, it would seem that VOSA,( who couldnt confirm that fact to me!) will be enforcing the acquired rights roadside by…checking your driving licence!!!
According to the cpc website it says you must carry your driver cpc card, and if you have acquired rights your driving licence would be accepted as proof of acquired rights, so maybe you have to carry it for cpc purposes. I always have mine in my wallet anyway.
tofer:
That’s a good point there bestbooties, is the requirement to prove you have cpc the same as the digicard, ie you have to carry the driver cpc card/licence or the same as requirement to produce, where you have seven days to do so?
For HGV drivers, from 10th Sep 2014 you MUST carry the Driver CPC card with you when driving professionally. If not, you could end up in court.
Lost, stolen or damaged cards must be reported to the DSA and then you CAN drive for 15 days without a card, whilst waiting for the replacement. It will cost £25
tofer:
That’s a good point there bestbooties, is the requirement to prove you have cpc the same as the digicard, ie you have to carry the driver cpc card/licence or the same as requirement to produce, where you have seven days to do so?
For HGV drivers, from 10th Sep 2014 you MUST carry the Driver CPC card with you when driving professionally. If not, you could end up in court.
Lost, stolen or damaged cards must be reported to the DSA and then you CAN drive for 15 days without a card, whilst waiting for the replacement. It will cost £25
But I have acquired rights, not a driver CPC card, so do I HAVE to now carry the plastic bit of my driving licence too?
somerset bus driver:
This is what my original post was hinting at…
As far as I’m aware…You have to carry your digital tacho card if you have one, regardless whether you use it or not, by law.
From 10th Sep 2014 HGV will HAVE to carry Driver CPC card by law.
However, as far as Im aware, the newish plastic driving licence is only valid when you show both parts, plastic and paper counterpart.
Just how do the VOSA, Police or whoever PROVE who you are at the roadside?. I expect they WANT us to carry everything to make their job easier.
Normally by asking your name and date of birth and your address and verifing what you say against their databases. If you can’t answer the questions to their satisfaction they can haul you off to the station to find out who you are.
digi card obviously need to carry we all must agree on that.
driving licence paper…paper and plastic just have it with you
cpc card same put it with the other stuff…
what is the beef about it…
when yer get stopped produce the lot get checked out everything ok and yer on yer way…
why make it difficult for yerselfs by not producing and being bolshy about the confliction of so called rules…no wonder this country is in this state if all we are bothered about is wether to carry yer tickets
diggertony:
digi card obviously need to carry we all must agree on that.
driving licence paper…paper and plastic just have it with you
cpc card same put it with the other stuff…
what is the beef about it…
when yer get stopped produce the lot get checked out everything ok and yer on yer way…
why make it difficult for yerselfs by not producing and being bolshy about the confliction of so called rules…no wonder this country is in this state if all we are bothered about is wether to carry yer tickets
Because I DO NOT like the way Britian is becoming/become a minor state in Europe and big brother tries to put fear into the working person.
This is all connected with the Identity card…which is exactly the reason they like a neat plastic card for everything.
Just my opinion of course …
You see, the day that you genuinly forget one of these many cards, will be the day that the smiling enforcement person realises that you are an easy touch.
Its all about our liberties in a so called free world.
diggertony:
digi card obviously need to carry we all must agree on that.
driving licence paper…paper and plastic just have it with you
cpc card same put it with the other stuff…
what is the beef about it…
when yer get stopped produce the lot get checked out everything ok and yer on yer way…
why make it difficult for yerselfs by not producing and being bolshy about the confliction of so called rules…no wonder this country is in this state if all we are bothered about is wether to carry yer tickets
Part of this thread is also about trainers possibly dispensing ■■■■■■■■ as fact on these training courses, something they are unable to teach a course without doing it seems.
I don’t have a problem with carrying the licence, I carry both parts as it is a legal requirement for me given the type of work I do. I do have a problem with trainers who only seem to want to milk the cash cow and not actually teach facts.
I carry the card but not the counterpart because it is easy damaged,ripped,made scuffy etc to be carried everywhere. Plus if i wanted a replacement because it was ripped scuffy etc isnt it about 20 quid?. The card is sufficient i don’t give a hee haw what anyone says - the police can check your driving offences in their computer without having a counterpart.
Be warned, my response to all this may be influenced by large amounts of alcohol but as ROG has asked me to reply and e-mailed me to draw my attention to this thread, here goes.
If you have been issued with a DQC then you MUST be able to produce it at a roadside check. There is one thing that I have to check in that acquired rights drivers who have completed their periodic training ‘early’ may not have to carry their DQC until their acquired rights expires that’s 2013 for PSV and 2014 for LGV, watch this space.
You DO NOT have to carry your driving licence within the UK to prove anything. Most VOSA Examiners have roadside access to the driver licence database and are able to see when you passed you LGV test and therefor whether you have acquired rights.
The ‘carry your licence’ thing came about 'cos we suggested it may be quicker for an Examiner to check you licence when produced, than to keep you waiting at a roadcheck whilst the database is checked. At the end of the day, the choice is yours…
There was nothing ‘cocked up’ regarding implementation dates differing between PSV and LGV. The original legislation from Europe meant that PSV drivers were subject to dCPC one year before LGV drivers. Basically there are far fewer holders of PSV licences and it was viewed that staggered starting dates was a good thing. Cannot comment on dCPC being a ‘tax’ on professional drivers, all I can observe is that some form of compulsory training might be a good thing. If you look at the questions asked on this site and others, where there is no basic understanding of the regulations, then you may begin to see where the legislators are coming from. I have to add at this point that it helps if the trainers understand the legislation. Some do, tragically others don’t. I went on a drivers hours and records course just before Christmas. What was said was correct, I’ve heard some horror stories, but cannot substantiate them. The periodic training requirement does not require an exam to be passed, nor can it, unless the EU Directive is ammended, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Part of this thread is also about trainers possibly dispensing ■■■■■■■■ as fact on these training courses, something they are unable to teach a course without doing it seems.
I totally agree with what you are saying. I would add that this applies to some enforcement officers as well, the tragedy is they should know better
