26 pallets of whiskey ect go out vat paid to instanbull or similar…then claim the duty/vat back.
in reality,the truck tips in calais once off the freey,white van man buys it and smuggles it back in whilst someone in instanbul stamps the paperwork to confirm the load arrived…job done and poor mr vatman.
Optimum:
will we be eligible to use TIR carnets post brexit?
Yes! But it’s a bit of a last resort option.
Although each EU Member State is a Contracting Party to the TIR Convention, the European Union is considered to be a single territory for the purposes of the TIR procedure.
That said it [TIR] does have the benefit of facilitating
both import and export trade and is available without
additional political negotiation as the UK is already a
member of the TIR Convention in its own right.
GasGas:
imagine the sweet smell of your new blue British passport (faint whiff of garlic, because it will be printed En France)
But surely the British Passport being printed by a French company is due to us having to follow EU competition rules, where large public contracts must be offered to companies across the Union.
And even though a French/Dutch company won the contract, it might not be correct to say that it will be printed in France.
Gemalto, which is in the process of being acquired by French defence contractor Thales, has a number of sites in the UK and is expected to make the new passports at factories in Fareham and Heywood.
Breaking news…David Davies says the UK will be worse off after Brexit on the Chequers terms than if it stayed, and over half the people working in the civil service Brexit dept have left. the average age of those remaining is just 32.
GasGas:
Breaking news…David Davies says the UK will be worse off after Brexit on the Chequers terms than if it stayed, and over half the people working in the civil service Brexit dept have left. the average age of those remaining is just 32.
It will be worse off regardless which is hardly breaking news. And he’ll have had a hand in it.
Much like the running of the Brexit department.
toonsy:
GasGas:
Breaking news…David Davies says the UK will be worse off after Brexit on the Chequers terms than if it stayed, and over half the people working in the civil service Brexit dept have left. the average age of those remaining is just 32.It will be worse off regardless which is hardly breaking news. And he’ll have had a hand in it.
Much like the running of the Brexit department.
The difference being that he’s saying that it’s a deliberately crippled ‘deal’ not that we ‘should’ remain.
All stitched together by Remainer May as part of project fear and sabotage with the intention of diverting the leave vote to change its mind.With Remainers having all too predictably hijacked the Brexit process and the ‘Brexit department’ as part of that.But the remoaners already knew that.
So tell us how can we possibly be supposedly ‘worse off’ by leaving under no deal terms.When EU membership is just a case of paying a fortune in ‘contributions’ for the privilege of being ruled by zb’s like Juncker and being a net importer of EU goods. 
Because we actually need many of the the goods we import (food, components for the automotive industry, pharma, to name but 3) from the EU. Because we need access to the single market so we can export services to redress the balance (80 % of the UK economy’s wealth is generated by services).
Look back to before the referendum, and you will see Farage and the others all claiming that we could somehow leave the EU ‘get rid of Brussels’ and retain unfettered access to the European market without paying the EU anything. All would be sunshine, and 52 % of the population believed it.
The official view now is that things won’t be too bad if we can stockpile enough supplies to tide us through the crisis and the economy should have recovered in 50 years time.
Only an idiot would have voted for that.
Still, Boris is hoping he can get to Number 10, and that’s all that’s ever mattered for him. Let’s wreck the country so an old Etonian can claim his birthright!
GasGas:
So, at what point will it be decided whether we take our ‘share’ of the EU allocation of permits, or decide to negotiate our own.Regarding transport and Brexit, all the government has done so far is harden the hard shoulder on the M20 and arrange to hire some portable toilets to deal with the queue which will go back to the M25, and beyond.
As previously said: the UK’s membership of the EU is of little importance to me. But I am shocked at the shambolic preparations being made. So far, there is no new infrastructure, no new IT, and no new staff.
The question of the Irish border has not been answered. Indeed, it has not even been addressed properly.
Professional voices such as the FTA, RHA, are making repeated warnings about the lack of preparation.
Brexit appears to have halved the value of a leading British company
theguardian.com/business/20 … it-jitters
But so long as Rees-Mogg, Farage and BlowJoe say everything will work out (even though none of them hold Government office and therefore don’t know what’s going on) then that’s all that matters to some.
Have a nice read of the Sunday Express and imagine the sweet smell of your new blue British passport (faint whiff of garlic, because it will be printed En France) if it ever gets through Customs.
The only part in this to make sense is about the RHA, they were not even prepared for the gross weights going up from 24 ton to 32500kg
GasGas:
Because we actually need many of the the goods we import (food, components for the automotive industry, pharma, to name but 3) from the EU. Because we need access to the single market so we can export services to redress the balance (80 % of the UK economy’s wealth is generated by services).Look back to before the referendum, and you will see Farage and the others all claiming that we could somehow leave the EU ‘get rid of Brussels’ and retain unfettered access to the European market without paying the EU anything. All would be sunshine, and 52 % of the population believed it.
The official view now is that things won’t be too bad if we can stockpile enough supplies to tide us through the crisis and the economy should have recovered in 50 years time.
Only an idiot would have voted for that.
Still, Boris is hoping he can get to Number 10, and that’s all that’s ever mattered for him. Let’s wreck the country so an old Etonian can claim his birthright!
We managed perfectly well before we joined the stinking Federal zb pile and there’s no reason why we can’t do the same now.Your whole case is based on the idea that the Brits are too stupid to make anything for themselves or to grow their own food.When as I’ve said we’ve had loads of campaigns moaning about dumped food imports that we don’t need and telling Brit shoppers to buy Brit agricultural produce instead of imported stuff at least.
While at the same time you’re saying that the EU will obviously meet any attempts of secession with sanctions,and no doubt force as time goes on, regardless.Why would any one with any sense want to stay with such a vindictive,belligerent,bunch of dictatorial muppets.That’s why we rightly went to war with scum like Hitler and Napoleon not to mention having to face down the similar ideas of the Soviet Union.
GasGas:
Because we need access to the single market so we can export services to redress the balance (80 % of the UK economy’s wealth is generated by services).
Edit to add.
You do know that our massive trade deficit with the EU obviously ‘includes’ the ‘export’ of so called ‘services’ which by definition actually ‘redresses’ nothing in that case because ‘redress’ would obviously mean trade balance.So we add the net contributions bill to the trade deficit figure who’s going to pay for all that and how ?.Let me guess more of the same austerity at home and more borrowing and printing money and effectively stealing money from investors in the form of below inflation interest rates that’ll work.All for the privilege of being ruled by the EU politburo.
Meanwhile you’ve still not provided any reasons as to why leaving the EU supposedly removes our eligibility for TIR convention member status or for that matter how a trade war with the EU will supposedly be bad for us but good for the EU.When at worst the definition of that trade deficit obviously means that we can gain more by bringing back manufacturing onshore especially at the expense of Germany while ditching our EU export markets.Although remainers obviously seem to have a ( deliberate ) problem with understanding what a trade deficit actually means in this case.All very predictably as part of their desperate ramping up of project fear in their ongoing attempts to over turn the referendum decision.
Carryfast:
GasGas:
Because we actually need many of the the goods we import (food, components for the automotive industry, pharma, to name but 3) from the EU. Because we need access to the single market so we can export services to redress the balance (80 % of the UK economy’s wealth is generated by services).Look back to before the referendum, and you will see Farage and the others all claiming that we could somehow leave the EU ‘get rid of Brussels’ and retain unfettered access to the European market without paying the EU anything. All would be sunshine, and 52 % of the population believed it.
The official view now is that things won’t be too bad if we can stockpile enough supplies to tide us through the crisis and the economy should have recovered in 50 years time.
Only an idiot would have voted for that.
Still, Boris is hoping he can get to Number 10, and that’s all that’s ever mattered for him. Let’s wreck the country so an old Etonian can claim his birthright!
We managed perfectly well before we joined the stinking Federal zb pile and there’s no reason why we can’t do the same now.Your whole case is based on the idea that the Brits are too stupid to make anything for themselves or to grow their own food.When as I’ve said we’ve had loads of campaigns moaning about dumped food imports that we don’t need and telling Brit shoppers to buy Brit agricultural produce instead of imported stuff at least.
While at the same time you’re saying that the EU will obviously meet any attempts of secession with sanctions,and no doubt force as time goes on, regardless.Why would any one with any sense want to stay with such a vindictive,belligerent,bunch of dictatorial muppets.That’s why we rightly went to war with scum like Hitler and Napoleon not to mention having to face down the similar ideas of the Soviet Union.
2 years of this drivel. Enough already
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Carryfast:
GasGas:
Because we need access to the single market so we can export services to redress the balance (80 % of the UK economy’s wealth is generated by services).Edit to add.
You do know that our massive trade deficit with the EU obviously ‘includes’ the ‘export’ of so called ‘services’ which by definition actually ‘redresses’ nothing in that case because ‘redress’ would obviously mean trade balance.So we add the net contributions bill to the trade deficit figure who’s going to pay for all that and how ?.Let me guess more of the same austerity at home and more borrowing and printing money and effectively stealing money from investors in the form of below inflation interest rates that’ll work.All for the privilege of being ruled by the EU politburo.
Meanwhile you’ve still not provided any reasons as to why leaving the EU supposedly removes our eligibility for TIR convention member status or for that matter how a trade war with the EU will supposedly be bad for us but good for the EU.When at worst the definition of that trade deficit obviously means that we can gain more by bringing back manufacturing onshore especially at the expense of Germany while ditching our EU export markets.Although remainers obviously seem to have a ( deliberate ) problem with understanding what a trade deficit actually means in this case.All very predictably as part of their desperate ramping up of project fear in their ongoing attempts to over turn the referendum decision.
Leaving the EU is neither good for us, or the remaining EU nations.
Many German and French companies now manufacture in the UK…BMW, Bosch, Ford, Vauxhall and Nissan all being examples. More French and German companies, especially in the automotive sector, use British-made components from Tier One and Two suppliers delivered on a JIT basis to plants in their home nations.
That won’t continue if we have a no-deal Brexit. I wonder what will replace them?
Any ideas?
Any idea what the plan is for a post-Brexit economy?
Bifa is a good example of how the UK economy is integrated into the EU
biffa.co.uk/about-us/operat … ived-fuel/
Breaking it out will be a long and painful process, with no discernible benefit.
Like it or lump it most EU regs will still apply in the UK: Driver CPC, EU drivers hours and tachographs, European pollution limits being just some examples.
We will have no say in how those regs are revised…we’ll just do what the EU tells us.
‘Taking back control’
Ho Ho Ho!
GasGas:
Leaving the EU is neither good for us, or the remaining EU nations.
Yes you said!
GasGas surprised your a Remainiac thought as a pro journalist you would have remained neutral.43 years swanning around Europe I voted Brexit an
easy decision Brits have never been mentally European.Best you pop over the road and make an offer for DHL then you can become an ice cream delivery man
our very own Mr Whippy.What happened to your web site?
Hello Mate,
I’m not a great enthusiast for the EU…but I fear that we are walking into a disaster with Brexit in its current form.
I got too busy with other things to keep the website going. It made me a bit of money, but not enough to reflect the work that went into it. Strangely, at the time I started it, everyone was predicting the end of print journalism but I find now there’s more demand for my services than there has been since 2009. While the magazine market has shrunk, it’s not shrunk as fast as the pool of journalists has!
Were I not of the age that I am, I’d be contemplating launching at least two magazines: one for road haulage and the other for motorcycling, and both priced at the ‘premium’ end of the market.
It always seemed strange to me that the response of magazine publishers to the flood of free content of questionable quality on the net was to reduce the quality of their own offerings. I still think that you can charge a premium cover price for a magazine, providing you’ve got at least one ‘must read’ story inside, plus some stunning photography and a strong editorial voice.
But that’s just me… 
Thanks for the reply,now retired and watch a lot of tele in between funerals,must be an age thing…the Boss.
Well, you earned a bit of a rest…and thanks for all the input, advice and comments back in the day!
GasGas:
Carryfast:
Meanwhile you’ve still not provided any reasons as to why leaving the EU supposedly removes our eligibility for TIR convention member status or for that matter how a trade war with the EU will supposedly be bad for us but good for the EU.When at worst the definition of that trade deficit obviously means that we can gain more by bringing back manufacturing onshore especially at the expense of Germany while ditching our EU export markets.Although remainers obviously seem to have a ( deliberate ) problem with understanding what a trade deficit actually means in this case.All very predictably as part of their desperate ramping up of project fear in their ongoing attempts to over turn the referendum decision.Leaving the EU is neither good for us, or the remaining EU nations.
Many German and French companies now manufacture in the UK…BMW, Bosch, Ford, Vauxhall and Nissan all being examples. More French and German companies, especially in the automotive sector, use British-made components from Tier One and Two suppliers delivered on a JIT basis to plants in their home nations.
That won’t continue if we have a no-deal Brexit. I wonder what will replace them?
Any ideas?
Any idea what the plan is for a post-Brexit economy?
Bifa is a good example of how the UK economy is integrated into the EU
biffa.co.uk/about-us/operat … ived-fuel/
Breaking it out will be a long and painful process, with no discernible benefit.
Like it or lump it most EU regs will still apply in the UK: Driver CPC, EU drivers hours and tachographs, European pollution limits being just some examples.
We will have no say in how those regs are revised…we’ll just do what the EU tells us.
‘Taking back control’
Ho Ho Ho!
More remainer bs.Why is leaving a club,which means the blackmail of sovereignty and cash for the privilege of being a net importer,supposedly bad for ‘us’.Especially if the EU is stupid enough to hopefully kick off a trade war over it.While it’s clear that the definition of a trade deficit means that whatever supposed share we might get in providing parts for BMW’s etc ( such as what exactly ? ) is massively outweighed by the proportion of imported parts that make up the finished product.So no we’ll actually be better off if the EU decides to kick off that trade war.While it’s the EU exporters who would suffer.
As for ‘Vauxhall’ you mean PSA because GM decided to walk out on Europe completely.Which is at least karma for what your German mates at Opel did to GM UK ( Vauxhall ) shortly after we joined the EU zb pile.
So tell us where’s that silly little 1.2 litre motor and the ugly French crap that it’s put into made.Certainly not Luton.Which ironically they now expect previous Zafira customers to move into like sheep.In the French’s deluded dreams.
As for a ‘post Brexit’ economy that obviously isn’t going to happen unless we get rid of remainer May and her stinking government first to actually deliver Brexit.Bearing in mind that trying to create the ideal ‘post’ Brexit economy ‘before’ actually delivering Brexit is obviously a case of putting the cart before the horse and an oxymoron assuming that you know what the definition of ‘post’ means.Also bearing in mind that we can’t make any international trade deals ,like removing EU tariffs and EU type approval from US imports for example,while we remain an EU member state.
On that note why would we have to impose any EU legislation here to apply domestically and other than in the case of meeting EU type approval for goods destined to the EU market,after Brexit,other than as part of the obvious remainer plan of remain in all but name. ?.
While going with Mogg in that regard would obviously just be a case of selling us out to the Chinese instead of the Germans.
Anyway it’s now time for you to get back to waving your silly EU flag before you upset the politburo and having been shown to be no bleedin good at trying to make the case for us remaining in the EU.Ho Ho zb Ho.
GasGas:
Hello Mate,I’m not a great enthusiast for the EU…but I fear that we are walking into a disaster with Brexit in its current form.
Which part of yes we already know that.Because it’s your lot in the form of May and Hammond who’ve hijacked the process in the hope that the leave vote will change it’s mind when you/they predictably show how zb that you/they can make so called Brexit ( a remain in all but name Norwegian EEA type stitch up ). On that note your lot laughably protest too much.
Although it’s my guess that you’re desperately hedging your bets in that regard on the outside chance that UKIP might just be able to force the Cons into delivering the so called hard No Deal Brexit that we actually voted for.Which is obviously game over for the zb Remoaners.
Going back to the original question… honest… If all the vastly increased number of UK / EU trips will all need carnets de TIR, are there enough trees being planted?
The trip-tics (?) carnets, permits, blue-books and mutiple duplicates don’t grow on t…
Oh… I mean we’ll need more trees for all the paper won’t we? [WHITE SMILING FACE]
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