Carryfast:
‘Prospective’ new employer obviously means ‘any’ and by definition more than one.
Pluralisation exists for a reason, this. So be honest then- how many jobs did you apply for but turned you down?
Carryfast:
box body drivers regard as routine and I think I’ve explained possibly why.
I didn’t do ‘what the boss asked’ I did what the union had agreed to on my behalf without my knowledge.
Didn’t you read that back and think ‘hold up, this makes me look a bit spineless’? Fact is you worked yourself into a disability, you did what they demanded. Refusing only once you broke your back is somewhat akin to closing the stable door 15 years after the horse left on a glue lorry
It’s clear that I meant ‘any’ prospective employer.
You seem to be a bit confused.
1 I didn’t have any back issues when I ‘refused’ to work on the dock at the hub.
2 I couldn’t apply for any jobs while under a disciplinary suspension on full pay.
3 I only went back under an ultimatum by the union work according to agreements or be sacked.
4 My back problems only started ‘after’ that and before I was put back on a direct trunk run.At which point no one knew what the problem actually was until after the GP hospital referrals and diagnosis had been completed.
5 I was later required to go back to hub system working and again refused.
6 The rest is history.Obviously all moot from 4.
Healthy horse treated like a mule and as a result was ready for the glue factory within a matter of months but just didn’t know it.
As I said I can understand the container driver’s reasoning.
So you simply retired early for no apparent reason?
Carryfast:
couldn’t apply for any jobs while under a disciplinary suspension on full pay.
Why?
Carryfast:
only went back under an ultimatum by the union work according to agreements or be sacked.
You must realise by now that that would have probably been a good thing in the long run
simcor:
Oh and yes drivers sounds like a bit of a duck tbh. If he wants to away early then he can’t moan when they have offered to try and accommodate him.
But it shouldn’t take 3 hours on a bay to tip pallets anyway. I assume his load was on pallets?
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We get a mix of containers in, some palletised, some handball. His was on pallets. The one on the bay was handball, his was palletised and he was tipped and away within an hour of getting on the bay but obviously he wasn’t going to be home in Carlisle (from Rugby) before late evening.
Hes a complete ■■■■ to refuse that offer and a lazy ■■■■ to boot that couldn’t be bothered to help himself no sympathy at all
switchlogic:
So you simply retired early for no apparent reason?
Carryfast:
couldn’t apply for any jobs while under a disciplinary suspension on full pay.
Why?
Carryfast:
only went back under an ultimatum by the union work according to agreements or be sacked.
You must realise by now that that would have probably been a good thing in the long run
What do you tell the prospective employer when asked the reason for leaving previous/present employment please provide name of manager for a reference.
I’m actually under disciplinary suspension on full pay at this time for politely declining a management instruction.The reference obviously won’t be a good idea.
‘The rest is history’ was obviously more a case of dismissed on h and s grounds rather than retirement for no apparent reason.
Yep with hindsight should have told the union to do one.Agreed.
That’s the difference between being viewed by those scumbags as just a truck driver v a train driver.
The container driver obviously knew it too.Defending that precedent is all that stands between him and possibly a similar fate and the plan for rail can only add to that issue.
Good to see that you’re starting to ‘get it’.
switchlogic:
So you simply retired early for no apparent reason?
Carryfast:
couldn’t apply for any jobs while under a disciplinary suspension on full pay.
Why?
Carryfast:
only went back under an ultimatum by the union work according to agreements or be sacked.
You must realise by now that that would have probably been a good thing in the long run
What do you tell the prospective employer when asked the reason for leaving previous/present employment please provide name of manager for a reference.
I’m actually under disciplinary suspension on full pay at this time for politely declining a management instruction.The reference obviously won’t be a good idea.
In my experience Transport companies almost never ask, they hardly even ask for references. But if they ask why did you leave just make something up. But like I say they almost never ask, driving is too transitory a work force for that
switchlogic:
So you simply retired early for no apparent reason?
Carryfast:
couldn’t apply for any jobs while under a disciplinary suspension on full pay.
Why?
Carryfast:
only went back under an ultimatum by the union work according to agreements or be sacked.
You must realise by now that that would have probably been a good thing in the long run
What do you tell the prospective employer when asked the reason for leaving previous/present employment please provide name of manager for a reference.
I’m actually under disciplinary suspension on full pay at this time for politely declining a management instruction.The reference obviously won’t be a good idea.
In my experience Transport companies almost never ask, they hardly even ask for references. But if they ask why did you leave just make something up. But like I say they almost never ask, driving is too transitory a work force for that
Firstly I was brought up on the ethic don’t leave a job without having another to go to and living with parents on the understanding of contributing to the household budget at the time sort of influenced my options and actions in that regard.
With hindsight more than I should have allowed it to.
With the luxury of hindsight, which I didn’t have then, we’re not a million miles apart on the issue.Agreed I zb’d up big time wrecked my career, in the words of the Kenny Rogers song, by not knowing when to walk away and when to run.
But surely by the same logic you’d then be fully supportive and understand why the container driver in this case would have been very reluctant to get involved with the load on the basis of pallets today possibly/probably handball tomorrow.
ECS from Zeebrugge send most of their containers to the UK laden with pallets. Short Sea Shippers like Containerships will expect their drivers to jump in the back, and why shouldn’t a driver unload his own vehicle, at least to a tailboard delivery.
Its mainly the Asian and Chinese market containers that are tightly packed by a jingly workforce, they wont send pallets when they can build a family home out of them.
You beat me to it Wheelnut. Tipping pallets off short sea boxes was always standard practice - we even got paid a specific “driver assist” bonus for doing it, towards the end of my time with ConShips. It was a lot less common by then, mind.
Wheel Nut:
ECS from Zeebrugge send most of their containers to the UK laden with pallets. Short Sea Shippers like Containerships will expect their drivers to jump in the back, and why shouldn’t a driver unload his own vehicle, at least to a tailboard delivery.
Its mainly the Asian and Chinese market containers that are tightly packed by a jingly workforce, they wont send pallets when they can build a family home out of them.
No problem when drops/collections are palletised and Midlands-Carlisle distances between.
Not so good if the job is more hours spent as a warehouse labourer than a driver and/or involving a container load of handball.
Best not to even go there and don’t even give the guvnor the idea.Just say no interaction with the load.
Just like the much higher paid train driver who’ll probably soon be doing the bit between DRFT - Carlisle according to the government’s plan.
Allowing more scope to utilise the truck driver for ‘other duties’.
Star down under.:
Change the record Carryfast, you polloute every thread to which you contribute, with this written diarrhoea.
Exactly what have you contributed to the thread.
I’ve made the case as to why the container driver probably would have declined the offer of helping to tip the load.
Especially in an environment moving towards more localised work involving ( much ) less driving time between drops/collections.
If you want to do the job of labourer/driver maybe you should leave Australia and apply to help reduce the ‘driver shortage’ here caused by drivers voting with their feet.
I see no need to comment, my opinion has already been expressed by the majority; the lazy prick should have gotten off his arse and helped.
WTF the “environment moving towards more localised work” has got to do with the price of eggs in China, is anyone’s guess, just more of your waffle.
I have no need to leave these fine and sunny shores, here as a matter of course we all pitch in and help each other.
Carryfast:
If you want to do the job of labourer/driver maybe you should leave Australia and apply to help reduce the ‘driver shortage’ here caused by drivers voting with their feet.
I see no need to comment, my opinion has already been expressed by the majority; the lazy prick should have gotten off his arse and helped.
WTF the “environment moving towards more localised work” has got to do with the price of eggs in China, is anyone’s guess, just more of your waffle.
I have no need to leave these fine and sunny shores, here as a matter of course we all pitch in and help each other.
More localised work means more scope to be used as a warehouse labourer during a shift because he won’t need to be driving anywhere.
So train drivers will also obviously be happy to handball container loads to pitch in and help by your standards.
ASLEF will ( won’t ) be pleased to hear it.
While you would happily handball two or more container loads let alone just one to ‘pitch in and help’ that will save the costs of employing as many warehouse labour staff.
Wheel Nut:
ECS from Zeebrugge send most of their containers to the UK laden with pallets. Short Sea Shippers like Containerships will expect their drivers to jump in the back, and why shouldn’t a driver unload his own vehicle, at least to a tailboard delivery.
Its mainly the Asian and Chinese market containers that are tightly packed by a jingly workforce, they wont send pallets when they can build a family home out of them.
No problem when drops/collections are palletised and Midlands-Carlisle distances between.
Not so good if the job is more hours spent as a warehouse labourer than a driver and/or involving a container load of handball.
Best not to even go there and don’t even give the guvnor the idea.Just say no interaction with the load.
Just like the much higher paid train driver who’ll probably soon be doing the bit between DRFT - Carlisle according to the government’s plan.
Allowing more scope to utilise the truck driver for ‘other duties’.
Exacept your only evidence that the industry is heading in way you claim over past 20 years is words in adverts. As huge number of us in the industry tell you it’s not as you claim but you’d rather rely on words in an advert than real world experience. Will you ever wake up to reality?
As we are using trains now, let me derail this thread. All you have ever said on these forums Geoffrey despite the number of cut and paste, plagiarising google, quoting quotes within quotes is that you are lazy and didn’t want any manual work,
As a similar age to myself judging from your posts, you had every opportunity to drive long distance, international work or potter round between the houses. There were so many career choices in the 80’s
Employers must have breathed a sigh of relief as you drove away from the failed interview in your pimped up Jaguar. I certainly wouldn’t have employed you for all the tea in china, whether it was packed in bulk containers, tea chests or one cup bags.
How many other UPS employees were permanently disabled by your trade union?
Wheel Nut:
How many other UPS employees were permanently disabled by your trade union?
Since we have changed changed tracks…
That is a good point. What could break the back of a driver could equally break the back of anyone else.
Manual work isnt a major hit to the self-estime of many of us, it certainly is not the end of existence. After a long drive I want a break, but after my coffee etc Im happy to help. My manicure and nail painting can wait until after I am tipped.
If CF has a damaged back, he has my genuine sympathy. I wouldn`t wish that on anyone.
But if he is saying that it was caused by normal manual work, and that it wouldnt have happened otherwise, I find that hard to believe. Normal work doesnt damage backs. Not to warehouse staff nor drivers…we are all from the same stock arent we? If CF got damaged from normal work, then I suspect (I am no Doctor!) that he had a predisposition to such and would have got it sooner or later. Sorry CF, you cant blame the handball since many others do it with no harm at all for years.
Franglais:
Sorry CF, you can`t blame the handball since many others do it with no harm at all for years.
Why did my employers pay compensation based on ‘contributory causation’ in that case.
Why bother with all the aggro and expense of palletisation and forklifts.Why bother with the interchangeability of demounts and artics.
Obviously the container driver in this case didn’t/won’t want to risk his back by setting any inconvenient precedents regarding interaction with the load.Even with the encouraging remarks of someone who had the luxury of being an owner driver and all the doors to best quality work that opened during the 1980’s recessions ( including the luxury of having the capital to meet the O licence requiement and buy and run the truck before getting the first payments coming in ).Obviously of that age he’d know about that economic meltdown.
Let alone your misinformed ideas obviously again from the luxury of never having handballed artic loads in a hub transhipment system.
The fact is pallets, forklifts artics and demounts were all designed for a reason.
No one would refuse to run a load of pallets to the rear of the load deck with a pallet truck without good reason and the potential of having your health and career wrecked by being used as a human forklift, next time, is good reason.
Franglais:
Sorry CF, you can`t blame the handball since many others do it with no harm at all for years.
Why did my employers pay compensation based on ‘contributory causation’ in that case.
Why bother with all the aggro and expense of palletisation and forklifts.Why bother with the interchangeability of demounts and artics.
Obviously the container driver in this case didn’t/won’t want to risk his back by setting any inconvenient precedents regarding interaction with the load.Even with the encouraging remarks of someone who had the luxury of being an owner driver and all the doors to best quality work that opened during the 1980’s recessions ( including the luxury of having the capital to meet the O licence requiement and buy and run the truck before getting the first payments coming in ).Obviously of that age he’d know about that economic meltdown.]Let alone your misinformed ideas obviously again from the luxury of never having handballed artic loads in a hub transhipment system.
The fact is pallets, forklifts artics and demounts were all designed for a reason.
No one would refuse to run a load of pallets to the rear of the load deck with a pallet truck without good reason and the potential of having your health and career wrecked by being used as a human forklift, next time, is good reason.
Carryfast:
Why did my employers pay compensation based on ‘contributory causation’ in that case.
Were they animal lovers? Do they dislike seeing two legged donkeys?
Cheap at half the price!
Carryfast:
Let alone your misinformed ideas obviously again from the luxury of never having handballed artic loads in a hub transhipment system.
Hub Transhipment? Luxury!
Before getting my Class 1, I was a coalman, fill open bags from hopper, walk load onto lorry, deliver to house, two loads a day…
Then I had the sheer joy of hand-balling artic loads of roof tiles, bricks, kerbs, pavers, etc etc. At Westerham they were loading most tiles by clamp, but the ?49?s were still 4,500 loose handball on, (team of four including driver) in the morning, drive 3 or 4 hrs, hand ball off in afternoon, driver assisting.
If anyone has a bad back they honestly have my sympathy, but you Do Not Have A Clue what you are talking about…again…
Carryfast:
Obviously the container driver in this case didn’t/won’t want to risk his back by setting any inconvenient precedents regarding interaction with the load.Even with the encouraging remarks of someone who had the luxury of being an owner driver and all the doors to best quality work that opened during the 1980’s recessions ( including the luxury of having the capital to meet the O licence requiement and buy and run the truck before getting the first payments coming in ).Obviously of that age he’d know about that economic meltdown.
I know I shouldn’t bite, but what■■?
The guy’s a deep sea (by the sound of things) box jockey. The only back injury he’s worried about is the one that he’ll get by being off his arse! If he could think far enough ahead to be worried about setting precedences, he’d have worked out how obvious his lie about dinner was before opening his gob!
Carryfast:
Obviously the container driver in this case didn’t/won’t want to risk his back by setting any inconvenient precedents regarding interaction with the load.Even with the encouraging remarks of someone who had the luxury of being an owner driver and all the doors to best quality work that opened during the 1980’s recessions ( including the luxury of having the capital to meet the O licence requiement and buy and run the truck before getting the first payments coming in ).Obviously of that age he’d know about that economic meltdown.
I know I shouldn’t bite, but what■■?
The guy’s a deep sea (by the sound of things) box jockey. The only back injury he’s worried about is the one that he’ll get by being off his arse! If he could think far enough ahead to be worried about setting precedences, he’d have worked out how obvious his lie about dinner was before opening his gob!
(Yours, ex-box jockey, some of it deep sea.)
Quite so.
The deep sea boxes were never allowed to be touched by drivers because of union agreements in late 70s? All to do with dockers keeping their jobs, and reciprocally, only those drivers paid union rates or above allowed on the dock to work boxes. The boxes crossing short sea are treated more like drop trailers (without wheels of course). No rules about them. Years since Ive done any, so can only guess it is the same.
dozy:
The only thing I can Blaine this driver is apparently accepting this crap , if it meant I wasn’t getting home they’d of got both barrels & some , ZB would I have a diplomatic conversation with a load of clowns [zb] my week up
Would you normally automatically expect to be tipped immediately if you turned up at 14:00 for a 17:00 booking?
Carryfast:
Obviously the container driver in this case didn’t/won’t want to risk his back by setting any inconvenient precedents regarding interaction with the load.Even with the encouraging remarks of someone who had the luxury of being an owner driver and all the doors to best quality work that opened during the 1980’s recessions ( including the luxury of having the capital to meet the O licence requiement and buy and run the truck before getting the first payments coming in ).Obviously of that age he’d know about that economic meltdown.
Let alone your misinformed ideas obviously again from the luxury of never having handballed artic loads in a hub transhipment system.
The fact is pallets, forklifts artics and demounts were all designed for a reason.
No one would refuse to run a load of pallets to the rear of the load deck with a pallet truck without good reason and the potential of having your health and career wrecked by being used as a human forklift, next time, is good reason.
The driver wasn’t expected to help to tip his own container (which contained palletised industrial catering equipment, the maximum weight of any pallet being probably not much more than 100kg). He was offered the chance to be tipped three hours before his booking time but there was only one warehouse staff member who would be able to do this and he would be driving the fork lift, so the driver would have to assist.
Me doing continental work in the 1980s or running my own truck in the 2010s isn’t really relevant to this scenario.
