tight git

commonrail:
just had some office bod refuse to sign my agency time sheet for a 2345 finish at 2339…absolutely unbelievable :cry:

Whilst not great as a one off what would the cost be if you did it everyday 5/6 days a week - week in week out■■? Legally signing off at a set time and not working til that time is Fraud bottom line like others have said before find something to do for the5/6 minutes go to the loo wash your hands go grab a coffee, sorry mate but you left yourself wide open!!! Having said all that in the real world who hasn’t done something similar to this■■?

Pat Hasler:
Next time he needs a driver tell him to make love elsewhere.

DON’T WORK FOR AGENCIES … they are just scam artists.

+3^^^^^

Surely it’s not the agency that decided “The client won’t pay because you didn’t do anything” or whatever.

There are strong agencies and weak ones. The weak ones are what you are all calling “scam artists” when that label should be reserved for banks, and other financial sector firms.

Picture This:

Agency Rep Cold calling a haulier’s office for new business:

Rep: “Oh PLEASE let us supply you with drivers this summer!”

Clerk: “Hmmp. Will your guys let us clip them both ends every night?”

Rep: “Yes, Oh Yes. You see we said ‘9 points OK’ in our literature - so our guys are chomping at the bit for some action!”

Clerk: “Hmm. Ok then. What about hourly rates? Can you undercut the minimum pay other agencies are getting from us?”

Rep: “No problem SIR, how would you get around the minimum wage though?”

Clerk: “Easy. If the Engine ain’t running, you don’t get paid. All our vehicles have got a spy in the cab, so if anyone tries leaving the engine running at the traffic lights for example, they’ll get a bollocking!”

Rep: "Do you reckon we’re ‘game on’ then?

Clerk: “Yes, but don’t forget we’ll only be paying as much as minimum wage on a self-employed basis with you getting a side commission of £1.00”

Rep: “Oh yes, the old carrot of £1.00 an hour. I’m with you.”

Clerk: "No you’re not, I meant £1 a SHIFT commission. We pay minimum wage gross direct to the driver on a self-employed basis, less all the deductions we’ve already agreed. I reckon there’s easily as much as £350 gross up for grabs for those out there with a good northern work ethic, not afraid of 96 hour weeks, and pulling their tacho when the firm requires it!

Rep: “Oh all right then. I’ll come around tomorrow to get the paperwork signed up.”

Clerk: “Yes, you can use the Pay and Display car park. No sense giving out cards for a single day eh?”

Rep: “Hmmp!”

Clerk: “Oh, that reminds me. I’ve got to phone around the other agencies and cancel all those bods we’ve booked in @£6.50ph with them!”


At the end of this sorry tale, the apparent view is of two agencies ■■■■■■■ drivers off, and thus getting the blame for all the sins of the earth. Both agencies are not scammers, but just very weak at the negotiating table. The Client never gets to meet any driver who’s not actually signed up for all this rubbish, thus the client never gets named, let alone blamed for the sins the the earth normally associated with agencies themselves. :angry:

On another note in defence of agencies, if they all disappeared tomorrow, then leave cover would be achieved by incumbent full-timers expected to pull together to cover the absent driver’s duties. If you’re VERY lucky, you might get to cover an absent driver on …hush now… OVERTIME! :stuck_out_tongue:

The bottom line that NO WAY is any firm going to take on a full time driver to cover 4-6 weeks a year, and the odd bit of sick!
Thus, NO new full-time jobs are created by agencies not existing at all. During the process of the agencies gradually diminishing away one by one, an hour of those agency driver’s time that remain is going to become damned expensive… Market forces being what they are! :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

Trukkertone:
at the end of your shift you can go take a pee, wash your hands, comb your hair if you have any, and just about fill in an extra 15 minutes, never mind 6…
play them at their own game… you win , they lose.
Ive worked for the same agency for 10 yrs now and have never had this problem… its sometimes the companies we work for that are the problem…
Most of them take 45 off us for breaks so i make sure i take my break in my time, not while i’m on a bay or doing any other work…
and another thought for those type of tight gits, if they want to save money, help them by setting your cruise control at 50 instead of 56, tell them you’re saving them money by getting more mpg out of their vehicle… shame it takes an extra hour to do your shift… WIN, WIN.

Too right…any company that is so pedantic will find me driving pedantically… run a little slower, take my time a little more, check the pin three times instead of once…

They reap what they sow with me… :wink:

Why does everyone moan about 50mph speed limiters then? :unamused:

Norfolknewbie:

commonrail:
just had some office bod refuse to sign my agency time sheet for a 2345 finish at 2339…absolutely unbelievable :cry:

Whilst not great as a one off what would the cost be if you did it everyday 5/6 days a week - week in week out■■? Legally signing off at a set time and not working til that time is Fraud bottom line like others have said before find something to do for the5/6 minutes go to the loo wash your hands go grab a coffee, sorry mate but you left yourself wide open!!! Having said all that in the real world who hasn’t done something similar to this■■?

not really agreeing with this…this DOES happen 5/6 days a week…as an employee you would finish whatever youre doing and then stand at the clock machine until its quarter too,quarter past,on the hour,or whatever.

commonrail:
Whilst not great as a one off what would the cost be if you did it everyday 5/6 days a week - week in week out■■? Legally signing off at a set time and not working til that time is Fraud bottom line like others have said before find something to do for the5/6 minutes go to the loo wash your hands go grab a coffee, sorry mate but you left yourself wide open!!! Having said all that in the real world who hasn’t done something similar to this■■?

Although not disagreeing in principle turning the highlighted part of this reply the other way I would ask:

What would be the saving to an employer if he/she rounded every employees times downward day in day out 52wks of the year?

the point is…i worked until 2339,who in there right mind would accept payment until 2330 only.like i said earlier,it was just an office pleb being a tool.

I agree with you mate.
My question was directed to everyone…including the office bod who chose to put the original version to the forum…just to show it works both ways.

:confused:

Just to clarify if i worked til 2339hrs I would expect paying til 2339hrs - not 2330 or 2345hrs! Then again I would have ensured that the time was either 2330 or 2345 not 2339 that way you have covered yourself. Bottom line is signing til 2345 if you finish at 2339 is fraud end of!

Pat Hasler:
Next time he needs a driver tell him to make love elsewhere.

DON’T WORK FOR AGENCIES … they are just scam artists.

But what it has to do with agencies? Thats not them who try to cut your hours, its not in their interest, they have percentage from every hour you worked…

Norfolknewbie:
Just to clarify if i worked til 2339hrs I would expect paying til 2339hrs - not 2330 or 2345hrs! Then again I would have ensured that the time was either 2330 or 2345 not 2339 that way you have covered yourself. Bottom line is signing til 2345 if you finish at 2339 is fraud end of!

just to reclarify…they only pay by 15 min increments :laughing: tool

:confused: I give in on this one.

I just take an extra hour to do the job messing about here & there if they do that to me, ends up costing them more & a few more pennies in my pocket…
Remember-the driver always wins…! :smiley:

like i said earlier…its not company policy to skank drivers at the end of their shift,it was just this one particular inept office pleb. once she passed my time sheet to the shift manager i asked what the problem was,"dont you pay to the nearest 15 mins" i asked.
“i do” he replied…so that was the end of it
incidently…the same office pleb signed me out 5 mins early last night without question,although she gives me the daggers now :laughing:

So it was a woman then, surprise surprise…

commonrail:
the point is…i worked until 2339,who in there right mind would accept payment until 2330 only.like i said earlier,it was just an office pleb being a tool.

In this case, there are enough office plebs being enough tools to start up a B&Q near you, where at least you’ll be positively discriminated for being over 50! :smiley:

commonrail:

Norfolknewbie:
Just to clarify if i worked til 2339hrs I would expect paying til 2339hrs - not 2330 or 2345hrs! Then again I would have ensured that the time was either 2330 or 2345 not 2339 that way you have covered yourself. Bottom line is signing til 2345 if you finish at 2339 is fraud end of!

just to reclarify…they only pay by 15 min increments :laughing: tool

So in essence you were trying it on■■? After all if you knew the 15minute thing why not wait til 2345? Trying to get a flyer naughty naughty

Exactly the reason why i dont work for large firms.

The problem is drivers take the ■■■■, ie sit on a bay for 3 hours then have a 45 down the road, or sit in the lorry for 15mins at the end of the day smoking and reading a book…