by Koop » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:24 pm
Sorry, didn’t mean to put you in a bad mood!
I’ll keep quiet.
[zb] it…no i wont!!
“When i attend the coroners court in 12days time i’ll tell them it was my fault he died because i was obeying the speed limit and he was impatient”
This is [zb] then?Last edited by Lucy on Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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This is [zb] then? 
Edit that.
Looks like none of us obey the 50 on DC law then.
All the stuff about holding others (trucks and cars) up is irrelevant. You will never get prosecuted for obeying the law. Of course a professional driver would do his best to allow others to get past at every opportunity.
Santa:
Looks like none of us obey the 50 on DC law then.All the stuff about holding others (trucks and cars) up is irrelevant. You will never get prosecuted for obeying the law. Of course a professional driver would do his best to allow others to get past at every opportunity.
we were threatened with prosecution on the A75 for obeying the law.
we agreed to drive at 40mph for some reason, they pulled the lot of us on a two lane section. we were told that if we did it again, then we would all be prosecuted for some sort of obstucting the highway crap.
so we were [zb]ed whatever way we played it.
limeyphil:
we were threatened with prosecution on the A75 for obeying the law.
we agreed to drive at 40mph for some reason, they pulled the lot of us on a two lane section. we were told that if we did it again, then we would all be prosecuted for some sort of obstucting the highway crap.
so we were [zb]ed whatever way we played it.
I bet they would not give you that in writing !!
limeyphil:
if it’s safe, then it’s flat out.
if i had people milking it because they were on hourly rate, then i would sack them for taking the [zb].
it is the same as theft from your employer.
40mph, get out of the [zb]ing way.
we are all paid to do a job, and any less than 100% dedication should not be tolerated.
ROG:
I might be mis-reading your post but are you saying that doing the maximum legal speed limit is taking the [ZB] ?
limeyphil:
yes. because if they were on a day rate, then would they act in the same stupid manner?
ROG:
So you would TELL a driver who you employed to deliberately break the law ?
limeyphil:
yes.
In writing ?
ROG:
limeyphil:
if it’s safe, then it’s flat out.
if i had people milking it because they were on hourly rate, then i would sack them for taking the [zb].
it is the same as theft from your employer.
40mph, get out of the [zb]ing way.
we are all paid to do a job, and any less than 100% dedication should not be tolerated.ROG:
I might be mis-reading your post but are you saying that doing the maximum legal speed limit is taking the [ZB] ?limeyphil:
yes. because if they were on a day rate, then would they act in the same stupid manner?ROG:
So you would TELL a driver who you employed to deliberately break the law ?limeyphil:
yes.In writing ?
not a chance. 
Koop:
As the great Colin McRae said( R.I.P Colin)“iF in doubt, flat out”
Yes. on a closed road.
This forum is divided, it is split into folks who drive trucks to deliver goods and equipment to customers and those who think they are driving F1 cars or rally cars.
Trucks have lower speed limits because of the insecurity of the loads and far heavier weights, if you want to drive like a zb, get a white van.
Most of the issues here could be resolved if the government could be bothered to get involved.
The whole speed limit issue requires reviewing and updating and rather than have blanket speed limits for roads and vehicle types, decide on them by the relevant factors.
The type of road, amount of traffic, of different types of vehicles and safety. On many SC roads a 50mph for all might be safer than the current 40/60 limits. I have noted that when HGV’s travel at 50 there is less interest in overtaking them than at 40. This proves the point, realistic speed limits will save lives, not speed cameras. A car doesn’t have to exceed 60 to pass a vehicle doing 40 but it can still be a dangerous manouvere and result in an accident.
Santa:
This forum is divided between those of us who stick to the 40mph speed limits on SCs, however stupid we think they are, and those who bash on regardless hoping they will always spot the camera.It’s no surpise that the self employed want to get done as fast as they can because their income depends on it; but I am always amazed by the hourly paid drivers who boast of how quickly they can get from A to B, even though they earn less as a result.
Apart from those who are forced to by limiters, I wonder if anyone keeps to the 50mph on DCs?
When I used to drive for Tesco on agency, it was pretty well understood that you stuck to the limits wherever you were driving, even 50 on DC’s. The reason being that the isotrac gizmo in the cab would start bleating and drive you up the wall otherwise. Nowadays, I’m on a salary and am nowhere near as goody a two-shoes as I was once upon a (double 
)time. Most of my routes I know very well, but, a few weeks ago there was a truck fire on the A14, and so I took a diversion on a bit of road I have’nt driven a truck down for quite some time and guess what? I got zapped by mister Gatso 51 in a 40, so there you go, I’ve been in both camps. It is fair to say that some 40 limits are too fast for the road conditions and obviously I don’t get up to 40 at those times 
If it was’nt for differing opinions, there’d be no forum 
I’m in the " stick to the limits " camp through bitter experience ( crash witness ) and by virtue of monitoring where i work.
For what it’s worth my 2 pennies to consider ( tin hat now in place - just looking for the body armour )
Penny 1:
Penny 2:
Most people on this forum would ( i’m guessing ) think that " boy racers " driving at high speeds on A roads are [ZB ]ers. So why is it
truckers doing 56 on the same roads are simply " keeping traffic flowing " 
Personally speed if you want to, but stay off my back doors, even at 40, if you can read my rear number plate you’re too close,
if i break suddenly by the time you’ve realised, your tractor unit will already be half way up my trailer and you’ll be DEAD 
Speed if you want to - but be sure you can stop.
Speed if you want to - but if you get caught and you get points or an ban and lose your job, don’t look to blame anyone but yourself.
Speed if you want to - but if you kill someone, be prepared to do time and don’t expect a job if and when you get out.
i try to drive within the law but on a clear road i’ll keep up with the flow of traffic because its the safest way but if i’m alone on the road i’ll drive slower possibly 40 mph
Santa:
Looks like none of us obey the 50 on DC law then.All the stuff about holding others (trucks and cars) up is irrelevant. You will never get prosecuted for obeying the law. Of course a professional driver would do his best to allow others to get past at every opportunity.
yes they do santa, i stick rigidly to the speed limits at all times, why , well its because one of ours was involved in a smash on a d.c, i wasnt there so dont know for sure whos fault it was , but the first thing that came from the office was he was running on the limiter,breaking the speed limit.so my thinking is now is even though the chances of me getting done by coppers for actually speeding is very low, but what the view of the courts would be if i was involved in a r.t.a doing 56 mph in a 50 mph speed would be , well id guess even if the actual r.t.c wasnt my fault id be in the ■■■■, and im not prepared to risk it for 6 mph .
ill be the first to admit ive not always been of this view but after hearing the way that driver was being hanged whether it was his actual fault or not really made me think , was it really worth speeding, i.m.o.h.o now is no ,no definatly not.
Perhaps we are forgetting that the speed limits are the maximum and, as pointed out, one should drive according to the road conditions. In addition, whilst dragging up to 28 tonnes of dead weight around which can have an effect on where you end up if the road conditions suddenly change!
As other people have pointed out, if you take the conscious decision to deisobey the rules, whatever they are then be prepared to suffer the consequences. My driving instructor said to me, don’t worry about what’s behind you, only what’s going on in front. If your truck could do 90, there would be some ■■■■ behind you wanting to overtake.
I use the A9 every day and sit at 50mph all the way,not even slowing for the fixed cameras. the only thing thats slows me down is getting stuck behind a 40 jockey, i dont for 1 minute blame them for sticking to the speed limit, it is their licence and livelyhood after all and its my choice to sit at 50 and im hourly paid btw.
However its the tools who sit at 40-45 and then floor it who do my nut in, there is 1 tool who is going to the same carrier as me in Inverness and who will not pull into a layby anywhere between Perth and Inverness and then floors it 100m before a DC which means that i have to try and pass him on a single carriageway section, and until i had words with him he used to put the boot down as i passed him on the SC.
I was witness to an accident a few months ago on the A9 (bike on car head on)on a SC, while giving my statement to the traffic plod he asked me "how fast the bike was going "i said “i was doing 50 and he wasn’t going much faster than me” he didnt bat an eyelid and later while having a chat he told me that most head ons on that road were caused by other vehicles overtaking trucks doing 40.
grousebeater
ady1:
Santa:
Looks like none of us obey the 50 on DC law then.All the stuff about holding others (trucks and cars) up is irrelevant. You will never get prosecuted for obeying the law. Of course a professional driver would do his best to allow others to get past at every opportunity.
yes they do santa, i stick rigidly to the speed limits at all times, why , well its because one of ours was involved in a smash on a d.c, i wasnt there so dont know for sure whos fault it was , but the first thing that came from the office was he was running on the limiter,breaking the speed limit.so my thinking is now is even though the chances of me getting done by coppers for actually speeding is very low, but what the view of the courts would be if i was involved in a r.t.a doing 56 mph in a 50 mph speed would be , well id guess even if the actual r.t.c wasnt my fault id be in the [zb], and im not prepared to risk it for 6 mph .
ill be the first to admit ive not always been of this view but after hearing the way that driver was being hanged whether it was his actual fault or not really made me think , was it really worth speeding, i.m.o.h.o now is no ,no definatly not.
I have to say, my biggest relief when i was involved in one in August was that i knew for sure that my speed was down, maybe not perfectly on the button but definatly within 10%. It was something i felt sure that i didn’t have to worry about.
Well i’m a to the speed limit man as i’m hourly paid and tramping,I got 3 points recently in Cheshire and that was on the A556.Always keep to the limits now and for ever more and if the driver behind me has no confidence to overtake how is that my problem.If i pass a place to pull in safely then i will but only if safe
When I mentioned about the forum being divided, it is full of idiots who believe the police will prosecute them driving up the A75, A90, A9 at the National Speed Limit.
The court case would be so much fun. ring the papers, ring the radio stations, just don’t talk ■■■■■■■■ on an internet forum!
"about the forum being divided, it is full of idiots "
Wise words Wheelnut! 
Why didnt you think of that?
[quote=“Dunno then?” leaving speed and fog lamps out of it,you can mortally offend some members on here by daring to drive whilst wearing hi-viz[/quote]
Now that really does annoy me, one of my pet hates…
SuperSmiley:
ROG has perfectly hit the nail on the head…Dambuster…what you fail to realise is blahblahblah . . . . . … . . blahblahblah . . . . . blahblahblah
Thank you.
So very much.
I now feel much more enlightened
