Coffeeholic:
So when you see a National Speed Limit sign would you do 70 mph in your truck, if it was capable of reaching that speed?National speed limit is 70 mph in this country, and there’s nothing on the sign to indicate some vehicles can’t do that legally, or do you realise there are other factors at play than just the sign?
that’s it dd999 will be in saying Crack on 
Coffeeholic:
So when you see a National Speed Limit sign would you do 70 mph in your truck, if it was capable of reaching that speed?National speed limit is 70 mph in this country, and there’s nothing on the sign to indicate some vehicles can’t do that legally, or do you realise there are other factors at play than just the sign?
National speed limit is defined in detail exactly what’s meant for what classes of vehicle.
No sign at all (out in the sticks) means the same thing.
Given that no sign at all (just the black arrow) would indicate the normal rules apply in these works, the presence of a specific temporary sign, would tend to indicate a specific temporary exception, otherwise, assuming the need for such an exception… how would you convey the information? If everyone it’d make a difference to is supposed to ignore it?
Coffeeholic:
So when you see a National Speed Limit sign would you do 70 mph in your truck, if it was capable of reaching that speed?National speed limit is 70 mph in this country, and there’s nothing on the sign to indicate some vehicles can’t do that legally, or do you realise there are other factors at play than just the sign?
since when is national speed limit 70 ■■?
Could have sworn it was 60 on single carriageways 
Dazza1980:
Coffeeholic:
So when you see a National Speed Limit sign would you do 70 mph in your truck, if it was capable of reaching that speed?National speed limit is 70 mph in this country, and there’s nothing on the sign to indicate some vehicles can’t do that legally, or do you realise there are other factors at play than just the sign?
since when is national speed limit 70 ■■?
Could have sworn it was 60 on single carriageways
I think the conversation was on Motorways / DC’s
BeardedBlunder:
Coffeeholic:
So when you see a National Speed Limit sign would you do 70 mph in your truck, if it was capable of reaching that speed?National speed limit is 70 mph in this country, and there’s nothing on the sign to indicate some vehicles can’t do that legally, or do you realise there are other factors at play than just the sign?
National speed limit is defined in detail exactly what’s meant for what classes of vehicle.
No sign at all (out in the sticks) means the same thing.Given that no sign at all (just the black arrow) would indicate the normal rules apply in these works, the presence of a specific temporary sign, would tend to indicate a specific temporary exception, otherwise, assuming the need for such an exception… how would you convey the information? If everyone it’d make a difference to is supposed to ignore it?
If there is no ‘End of Motorway Regulations’ sign, as at the entrance to service areas for instance, then normal motorway regulations still apply. Those black on yellow signs are just information, that’s why when there is a width restriction for example they can’t just put that in black on yellow and need the actual width restriction round, white with red border, sign on there as well.
Dazza1980:
Coffeeholic:
So when you see a National Speed Limit sign would you do 70 mph in your truck, if it was capable of reaching that speed?National speed limit is 70 mph in this country, and there’s nothing on the sign to indicate some vehicles can’t do that legally, or do you realise there are other factors at play than just the sign?
since when is national speed limit 70 ■■?
Could have sworn it was 60 on single carriageways
You just confirmed the point. NSL is 70 but it can vary depending on type of road or vehicle so other things still have to be taken into consideration even when there is no mention of that on the sign.
Coffeeholic:
If there is no ‘End of Motorway Regulations’ sign, as at the entrance to service areas for instance, then normal motorway regulations still apply. Those black on yellow signs are just information, that’s shy when there is a width restriction for example they can’t just put that in black on yellow and need the actual width restriction round, white with red border, sign on there as well.
Plod found that out when I shot passed him doing 70 when it had a Black 50 on yellow
he did apologise when I pointed that out to him 
arkin:
sbhep:
Just throwing this over to all you expertsDrive through the roadworks on the M1 daily jc 28 to 33
Cars doing 46 / 47 in middle lane refusing to pull into lane one drive me mad
a couple of weeks ago an instructor on a course told us on entering the roadworks
if it states any vehicle on the lane 3 with no width restriction then its ok to use lane 3
so for last couple of weeks been plodding down lane 3 when lane 2 is on the go slow
boy…do I get some stares and shocked looks when the 40 ft curtain comes along side
yesterday the pretend police ( traffic officers ) in their disco flashed me and flapped their arms like I was a nutter I just plodded on at 50 - 52
question abit late if am wrong and been sold duff info…ooops
is it right can we use lane 3 in the roadworks ■■?
cheers
Simon
oh my days, you are obviously one of the tailgating knuckle dragging retards I often see through the various roadworks, desperate to shave minutes off their journey.
You need to get an hourly paid job and relax.
Then again it may not be your fault, some people are just born stupid.
+1
Lots of talk in this thread of wether you would go into Contraflow or not.
For me its a no.
Don’t get me wrong,im fond of him…but its all that hair.
nick2008:
Coffeeholic:
If there is no ‘End of Motorway Regulations’ sign, as at the entrance to service areas for instance, then normal motorway regulations still apply. Those black on yellow signs are just information, that’s shy when there is a width restriction for example they can’t just put that in black on yellow and need the actual width restriction round, white with red border, sign on there as well.Plod found that out when I shot passed him doing 70 when it had a Black 50 on yellow
he did apologise when I pointed that out to him
Same as those black on yellow signs at a VOSA checkpoint saying HGV’s to enter checkpoint. I used to ignore those, particularly outside Holyhead and at the top of the M6. They don’t like it and if the come after you they throw a hissy fit but nothing they can do as you haven’t Ignored a road sign, you’ve just ignored a request. They would have to put up the round ‘No Trucks’ sign just past the entry point to force you in.
Coffeeholic:
If there is no ‘End of Motorway Regulations’ sign, as at the entrance to service areas for instance, then normal motorway regulations still apply. Those black on yellow signs are just information, that’s why when there is a width restriction for example they can’t just put that in black on yellow and need the actual width restriction round, white with red border, sign on there as well.
Tiny flaw in that logic, namely all the workmen (pedestrians) and other vehicles they’re using, have stopped/parked, wouldn’t be allowed on the motorway at all otherwise in some cases… none of whom are complying with the regulations you state are all still in force…
“Where signs indicate otherwise” is always a valid reason for proceeding in a lane you otherwise wouldn’t, motorways, or other roads, how useful would one way systems be if we all had to ignore the signs and keep left anyway?.. see that junction mentioned back up this thread where HGVs are signed as having permission to use lane 3… if signs can’t indicate a change from the normal case, that’s not allowed either in spite of the signs…
Can’t have it both ways.
However, if signs can modify the rules, then there’s nothing ambiguous about “Any vehicle”, hell nobody has a problem with those self same signs directing 2 lanes of southbound traffic onto a northbound carriageway, and closing south completely, simply permitting “Any vehicle” to use a particular lane is a much smaller thing.
BeardedBlunder:
Coffeeholic:
If there is no ‘End of Motorway Regulations’ sign, as at the entrance to service areas for instance, then normal motorway regulations still apply. Those black on yellow signs are just information, that’s why when there is a width restriction for example they can’t just put that in black on yellow and need the actual width restriction round, white with red border, sign on there as well.Tiny flaw in that logic, namely all the workmen (pedestrians) and other vehicles they’re using, have stopped/parked, wouldn’t be allowed on the motorway at all otherwise in some cases… none of whom are complying with the regulations you state are all still in force…
The roadworks are not a motorway at that point, it’s not being used as a motorway and traffic can’t access those areas so the regulations don’t apply to that bit obviously, hence why things are parked on it, portacabins placed on it and so on. The live lanes are motorway.
Which has no bearing whatsoever on if signs mean what they actually say or are merely wasted paint to be ignored … if they can permit me to drive the wrong way up lane 3 the other side of the barrier, they can also permit me to use lane 3 this side of it if that’s what they say.
scanny77:
Chris1207:
The-Snowman:
scanny77:
+1
Lane 1 on the M8 through Glasgow seems to be used as an access road to lane 2. I don’t know why but a hell of a lot of drivers will not sit in that laneAre you meaning the east bound lane,with the traffic coming down from charing cross? Every single time I come along there the traffic in lane one will move into lane 2,even if nothing in front of them,as soon as they get past the unbroken white lines. No idea why,its a straight bit of road and you can tell its clearly not a slip road
^^This, winds me right up. They will then proceed to “middle lane hog” at about 45. As I’m 99.999% of the time heading for the M80 a few miles later on, I move into the left lane and pass the lot of them on the left (and remaining in the left lane). Note: not under-taking, passing on the left, there’s a subtle difference - for the pendantic
The point where the 1st lane becomes the 2nd lane at which point they should move over after the solid white line ends but a lot of them don’t. They stay in what is now the 2nd lane. They will not move over even through j15 - j13. Then the M80 splits off and they still plod along in lane 2. I pass on the left quite often on the flyover before the 5 lane bit. I used to run out of livi but now I head for the M80 on my return journey
Nice to see I am not the only one to notice this
The signage layout on the M8 overhead gantries is terrible. Just encourages drivers to sit in lane two because unless you know the place you can’t tell if lane 1 splits off to a junction or if its just a continuation of the motorway.
I once hoovered with 100 the Roadwork from Roma South to Capua on second Lane. When i went back to first Lane after Roadwork was a Carabinieri Car behind me 
said nothing
Wow, this is still being discussed. If folk ain’t got it yet they never will.
The only place I’ve seen HGV’s in lane 3 is the M621 coming into Leeds where it is sign posted that HGV’s can use any lane.
Had this exact conversation with a guy at our place. He was adamant that you could use lane three. Not sure if he was pulling my pud, but I’ll stay out of the right hand lane thank you.
Drove up the M1 this morning. 3rd lane has a 2M 6’6 width limit.
if the car is slow in lane 2 and wont move over
just undertake in lane 1 , flashing your right indicator at the same time
its much safer
