Think I have lost a £20 bet

So i am pretty new to the world of trucking and got confused with the resetting of the driving hours.

Someone who knows it all said to reset the hours (4.5 hours driving time) you could have 2 x 30 minute breaks.

I was adamant I was right with you had to have a 15 minutes followed by 30 or 45 minutes.

I know you cant have a 30 minute first and then a 15 minute.

A lot of the examples shown are the 15 then 30 or 15 then 45 etc. Never seem to see 30 and 30. The words “at least” are normally included in the breaks so it just stuck in my head 15 then 30.

Is there a way for me to not have to pay up my £20 bet?

Either a 45 or 15 + 30 to reset 4.5 driving time = that’s it - it is in the rules

gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … ing-limits

ROG:
Either a 45 or 15 + 30 to reset 4.5 driving time = that’s it - it is in the rules

gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … ing-limits

it shows it that link a 34 min break and then a 30 minute break resets the driving hours■■?

From how I understand it if you split the 45m brake you can take the first 15 or at least 15mins then take at least 30mins and all needs to be taken within 4.5 hours if continuous driving to reset the drive time .

So you could take 30&30

Lloydie:
From how I understand it if you split the 45m brake you can take the first 15 or at least 15mins then take at least 30mins and all needs to be taken within 4.5 hours if continus driving

Thats exactly how it is…But you can have a 30 min break in the 1st part.And a 30min in the second part…All this taken before 4.30min drivin will reset the drive time

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You could have a 44 + 44 break for example which would work the same as a 15 + 30

daftvader:

Lloydie:
From how I understand it if you split the 45m brake you can take the first 15 or at least 15mins then take at least 30mins and all needs to be taken within 4.5 hours if continus driving

Thats exactly how it is…But you can have a 30 min break in the 1st part.And a 30min in the second part…All this taken before 4.30min drivin will reset the drive time

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In the link ROG supplied in the info it says this :

A driver ‘wipes the slate clean’ if they take a 45 minute break (or qualifying breaks totalling 45 minutes before or at the end of a 4.5 hour driving period.

TAKE NOTE OF THE WORDS “TOTALLING 45 MINUTES” - 30 plus 30 does not equal 45.

Yet also in that link it shows a chart showing a break of 34 mins and 30 mins resetting the hours but interestingly that is after using all 4.5 driving time.

Can I do this… 1.5 hours driving…30 min break…1.5 hours driving…30 min break. Will that reset the hours?

Yep you can and I do some times if my I haven’t done much driving but need WT break

The 4.5 hours driving period is reset with a break of 45 minutes, the 45 minute break can be taken in 2 parts, the first part must be at-least 15 minutes and the second part must be at-least 30 minutes and they must be taken in that order (15 then 30).

You can have more than the 15 and 30 minutes but if you have less than the 15 or 30 it will not count as a valid driving break.

billythewhizz:

daftvader:

Lloydie:
From how I understand it if you split the 45m brake you can take the first 15 or at least 15mins then take at least 30mins and all needs to be taken within 4.5 hours if continus driving

Thats exactly how it is…But you can have a 30 min break in the 1st part.And a 30min in the second part…All this taken before 4.30min drivin will reset the drive time

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In the link ROG supplied in the info it says this :

A driver ‘wipes the slate clean’ if they take a 45 minute break (or qualifying breaks totalling 45 minutes before or at the end of a 4.5 hour driving period.

TAKE NOTE OF THE WORDS “TOTALLING 45 MINUTES” - 30 plus 30 does not equal 45.

Yet also in that link it shows a chart showing a break of 34 mins and 30 mins resetting the hours but interestingly that is after using all 4.5 driving time.

Can I do this… 1.5 hours driving…30 min break…1.5 hours driving…30 min break. Will that reset the hours?

Yes it will reset the 4.5 driving time - but that does not mean you LOSE any daily driving time if that’s what you are thinking ?

If drivers had to have EXACTLY 45 mins total then virtually all would be breaking the law :open_mouth: so its obvious/common sense that breaks MUST TOTAL AT LEAST 45 MINS

billythewhizz:
Can I do this… 1.5 hours driving…30 min break…1.5 hours driving…30 min break. Will that reset the hours?

As long as you’ve done some driving before the first 30 minute break the example you’ve given would reset the 4.5 hour driving period, however it would also be reset if the first break was 15 minutes.

billythewhizz:
TAKE NOTE OF THE WORDS “TOTALLING 45 MINUTES” - 30 plus 30 does not equal 45.

You can have more than 45 minutes break to reset the 4.5 hours driving period you just cannot have less.

First break is a minimum of 15 minutes, followed by a break of at least 30 minutes to complete a full 45 minute break.

For first breaks anything between 15 minutes and 44 minutes will be recorded as a 15 minute break, (driving hours regs).

Sorry the ‘know all’ was right.

123smith:
First break is a minimum of 15 minutes, followed by a break of at least 30 minutes to complete a full 45 minute break.

For first breaks anything between 15 minutes and 44 minutes will be recorded as a 15 minute break, (driving hours regs).
Wrong the tacho will still record 30mins , I know I have done it then checked print out
Sorry the ‘know all’ was right.

Our new FH’s only show 15 min break if you had 30minutes break,which I do as 30 plus 30 for my 45 break or 50 minutes in 1 go.

Daytrunker:
Our new FH’s only show 15 min break if you had 30minutes break,which I do as 30 plus 30 for my 45 break or 50 minutes in 1 go.

For some strange reason the new generation stone ridge tacho’s do that but if you do a print out it shows 30mins on it
But a VDO or Siemens don’t they register 30 mins

blue estate:
For some strange reason the new generation stone ridge tacho’s do that but if you do a print out it shows 30mins on it
But a VDO or Siemens don’t they register 30 mins

The Mercs we have in our fleet have Siemens VDO and if you have a 15-44 min break and start driving again it will only show 15 mins break on the screen but will show the actual amount of mins break taken on the printout.

Thanks guys.

I was desperate to prove him wrong and more importantly not have to hand over the £20.

You have all been helpful. Much appreciated.

billythewhizz:
So i am pretty new to the world of trucking and got confused with the resetting of the driving hours.

Someone who knows it all said to reset the hours (4.5 hours driving time) you could have 2 x 30 minute breaks.

Is there a way for me to not have to pay up my £20 bet?

No, you have to pay up I’m afraid. 2x 30minutes will indeed clear your driving time.

Like the old saying goes; imagine what you will “know” tomorrow…

just an fyi you should probably be more concerned about your WTD break. most people focus so much on their driving time break because that is what the tacho shows that they forget about it. Most new starters don’t drive 4.5 hours in 6 hours so its very easy to pick up an infringement.

billythewhizz:
… The words “at least” are normally included in the breaks so it just stuck in my head 15 then 30.

Hi billythewhizz,

Whenever you’re dealing with any kind of limit, ask yourself whether it’s a maximum limit or a minimum limit. :wink:

For instance, 30mph is the (normal) maximum speed limit when driving through a town.

So, is it an offence if you were to drive at 28mph when the maximum limit is 30mph?

Now to your question…

You know that you need a minimum of a ‘15’ AND a minimum of a ‘30’ to make a minimum total of 45.

So, is it possible to take a ‘30’ followed by another ‘30’?

The first minimum has been exceeded, the second minimum has been met (exactly) and the minimum total has been exceeded.

And now to your last question…

billythewhizz:
Is there a way for me to not have to pay up my £20 bet?

NO, but here’s some practice for you… in this case £20 is a minimum!! :wink: :smiley: :grimacing: