Here’s a good one, from the bikers POV.
youtube.com/watch?v=7ib5euNg4Is
So who used to drives for Bandvulc■■?
Chas:
Here’s a good one, from the bikers POV.youtube.com/watch?v=7ib5euNg4Is
So who used to drives for Bandvulc■■?
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.
0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.You wouldn’t want to ride a bike through that situation any faster than you’d drive a truck or a car through it and no one with any sense would try to drive through that type of hazard at that type of speed.
So what happens when someone driving a car (or a bike) on the motorway,let alone an unlimited stretch of autobahn,makes the same assumption when approaching a hazard situation,such as a car or truck travelling in lane 1 or 2 that looks like it might possibly be approaching a slower car or truck and therefore might just possibly pull out into lane 2 or 3.It’s not going to be the driver who’s overtaking’s fault ‘but’ the result is just the same and it could have been avoided with a bit of anticipation.
However that’s not the same thing as an accident that’s the result of someone who’s on the wrong side of the road or not following lane markings,and another who isn’t,then not making allowances (because they can’t in many cases).In which case that type of situation wouldn’t/shouldn’t fail the theory test unlike this situation or the motorway type example.
Carryfast:
Chas:
Here’s a good one, from the bikers POV.youtube.com/watch?v=7ib5euNg4Is
So who used to drives for Bandvulc■■?
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.
0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.
So what happens when someone driving a car (or a bike) on the motorway,let alone an unlimited stretch of autobahn,makes the same assumption when approaching a hazard situation,such as a car or truck travelling in lane 1 or 2 that looks like it might possibly be approaching a slower car or truck and therefore might just possibly pull out into lane 2 or 3.It’s not going to be the driver who’s overtaking’s fault ‘but’ the result is just the same and it could have been avoided with a bit of anticipation.
However that’s not the same thing as an accident that’s the result of someone who’s on the wrong side of the road or not following lane markings,and another who isn’t,then not making allowances (because they can’t in many cases).In which case that type of situation wouldn’t/shouldn’t fail the theory test unlike this situation or the motorway type example.
Its a wonder he never "accelerated out of it " !! 
Mike-C:
Carryfast:
Chas:
Here’s a good one, from the bikers POV.youtube.com/watch?v=7ib5euNg4Is
So who used to drives for Bandvulc■■?
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.
0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.
So what happens when someone driving a car (or a bike) on the motorway,let alone an unlimited stretch of autobahn,makes the same assumption when approaching a hazard situation,such as a car or truck travelling in lane 1 or 2 that looks like it might possibly be approaching a slower car or truck and therefore might just possibly pull out into lane 2 or 3.It’s not going to be the driver who’s overtaking’s fault ‘but’ the result is just the same and it could have been avoided with a bit of anticipation.
However that’s not the same thing as an accident that’s the result of someone who’s on the wrong side of the road or not following lane markings,and another who isn’t,then not making allowances (because they can’t in many cases).In which case that type of situation wouldn’t/shouldn’t fail the theory test unlike this situation or the motorway type example.
Its a wonder he never "accelerated out of it " !!
Carryfast:
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.
I’ve read some ■■■■■ on this site but this ‘takes the biscuit’!!! So the crash between the black Renault & the Triumph ‘Street tripple’ is in some small way the motorcyclists fault■■? He should be able to make up for the deficiency in the eye sight of the trucker should he? He was on the right side of the road & the truck crossed his path, exactly what should he have done/where did he go wrong?
Ross.
Carryfast:
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.
So what happens when someone driving a car (or a bike) on the motorway,let alone an unlimited stretch of autobahn,makes the same assumption when approaching a hazard situation,such as a car or truck travelling in lane 1 or 2 that looks like it might possibly be approaching a slower car or truck and therefore might just possibly pull out into lane 2 or 3.It’s not going to be the driver who’s overtaking’s fault ‘but’ the result is just the same and it could have been avoided with a bit of anticipation.
However that’s not the same thing as an accident that’s the result of someone who’s on the wrong side of the road or not following lane markings,and another who isn’t,then not making allowances (because they can’t in many cases).In which case that type of situation wouldn’t/shouldn’t fail the theory test unlike this situation or the motorway type example.
Do you ride a bike? IME they’re a very popular form of leisure activity for truck drivers.
Do you have any perception of what bikers term as ‘defensive riding’?
Does any non bike riding truck driver have any perception whatsoever of ‘defensive driving’ techniques?
Does the term ‘defensive driving’ ever appear in lorry driving terminology? Does it show up in a search of Trucknet?
I’ve never heard it mentioned by a big Trucker.
I can perceive from the video, & I’m ignoring what the rider wrote after the accident, a slight hesitancy at the 3 points where he claims to be aware of a growing situation. Up untill less than 50yds from impact he’s done everything right, the fisheye of the lens might confuse you, but he’s less than 50yds away when that Bandvulc truck pulls across his path.
A classic case of SMIDSY. Which translates as “Sorry Mate, I didn’t See You”, or, Sorry Mate, I Didn’t Bother To Look For You". Depending on whether your riding a 3oz unprotected lighweight motorcycle or a 44ton chuck of metal behind a 1/2" thick steel front bumper.
I used to work on vehicle recovery & recovered 1000’s of vehicles from scene’s like this. I hate the adjective “accident”. This was not an accident, this was negligence, stupidity, ignorance, fukwittery, incompetance . . . . I could go on with lots more adjectives, but it was not an accident.
waynedl:
Last year I went to work (Maritime Leeds) on my bike in December, a beautiful sunny day, was supposed to be a day run, ended up out overnight, and it SNOWED, and snowed and snowed.Literally, the trucks were getting stuck in the yard, couldn’t get boxes on, it was a nightmare, and there’s me finishing work and having to ride home on my bike in that weather, back to Manchester.
I didn’t bother going over Rishworth Moor on the way home, just stook to the motorway and A627 and stayed in slushy tracks and took my time, but god it was arse clenching
made it though
When I was on nights I used to go to a local college during the day, one day I went on the bike and mistakenly left the sidelight on. By 6pm the snow had fallen quite heavily, the battery was flat. Has anyone ever tried to bumpstart a V-Twin on snow? 
As for the logical conclusions and other ■■■■■■■■, no-one mentioned that I ride like that, it was just a comment that the first video was not that dangerous to a biker, unless the truck driver thinks he is Jenson Button or possibly Grosjean
bigr250:
Carryfast:
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.
I’ve read some [zb] on this site but this ‘takes the biscuit’!!! So the crash between the black Renault & the Triumph ‘Street tripple’ is in some small way the motorcyclists fault■■? He should be able to make up for the deficiency in the eye sight of the trucker should he? He was on the right side of the road & the truck crossed his path, exactly what should he have done/where did he go wrong?
Ross.
It wasn’t his fault at all.The only thing is that,in this case,he probably could have saved himself a lot of pain and trouble by slowing down to sufficient speed to match the hazard ahead of him in just the same way as if he’d been driving a car or a truck not a bike when he hit the Renault at that type of speed.I certainly would have wanted to have been travelling at a speed in which I could have pulled up in at that point.
Unless you’re saying that you would have driven at that same speed yourself through that hazard regardless of wether you’d have been driving a truck,car or riding a motorbike 
.
Chas:
Carryfast:
Idiot truck driver v biker without much of a survival instinct.0.25 Although he considered an ‘element of risk to still be present’ he was ‘satisfied that the situation was safe enough to proceed at a reduced speed but obviously not reduced enough’.That’s the type of dumb mistake that would/should fail the theory test before he ever got on a bike.
So what happens when someone driving a car (or a bike) on the motorway,let alone an unlimited stretch of autobahn,makes the same assumption when approaching a hazard situation,such as a car or truck travelling in lane 1 or 2 that looks like it might possibly be approaching a slower car or truck and therefore might just possibly pull out into lane 2 or 3.It’s not going to be the driver who’s overtaking’s fault ‘but’ the result is just the same and it could have been avoided with a bit of anticipation.
However that’s not the same thing as an accident that’s the result of someone who’s on the wrong side of the road or not following lane markings,and another who isn’t,then not making allowances (because they can’t in many cases).In which case that type of situation wouldn’t/shouldn’t fail the theory test unlike this situation or the motorway type example.
Do you ride a bike? IME they’re a very popular form of leisure activity for truck drivers.
Do you have any perception of what bikers term as ‘defensive riding’?
Does any non bike riding truck driver have any perception whatsoever of ‘defensive driving’ techniques?
Does the term ‘defensive driving’ ever appear in lorry driving terminology? Does it show up in a search of Trucknet?
I’ve never heard it mentioned by a big Trucker.
I can perceive from the video, & I’m ignoring what the rider wrote after the accident, a slight hesitancy at the 3 points where he claims to be aware of a growing situation. Up untill less than 50yds from impact he’s done everything right, the fisheye of the lens might confuse you, but he’s less than 50yds away when that Bandvulc truck pulls across his path.
A classic case of SMIDSY. Which translates as “Sorry Mate, I didn’t See You”, or, Sorry Mate, I Didn’t Bother To Look For You". Depending on whether your riding a 3oz unprotected lighweight motorcycle or a 44ton chuck of metal behind a 1/2" thick steel front bumper.
I used to work on vehicle recovery & recovered 1000’s of vehicles from scene’s like this. I hate the adjective “accident”. This was not an accident, this was negligence, stupidity, ignorance, fukwittery, incompetance . . . . I could go on with lots more adjectives, but it was not an accident.
So are you saying that you’d have driven a car or a truck through that situation at that speed not forgetting that it’s even more difficult to stop a bike than a car and you’re actually more likely to get hurt if you hit something with a bike than a car or a truck .
It doesn’t matter how close the truck was when it pulled across the front of him what matters is how far away the bike was when he saw the situation developing and wether or not he reduced his speed enough at that point.That’s if he wants to stay alive of course.Which is what I think the purpose of posting the video was all about not an argument about who’s fault it was which is obvious.
Chas:
Does the term ‘defensive driving’ ever appear in lorry driving terminology? Does it show up in a search of Trucknet?I’ve never heard it mentioned by a big Trucker.
I’m 55 & have been riding motorbikes since I was 12, on the road since 16 & driving trucks since 22 & let me tell you that to survive this long “defensive riding” needs to be 2nd nature.
Chas:
I used to work on vehicle recovery & recovered 1000’s of vehicles from scene’s like this. I hate the adjective “accident”. This was not an accident, this was negligence, stupidity, ignorance, fukwittery, incompetance . . . . I could go on with lots more adjectives, but it was not an accident.
The police don’t use the word “accident” any more as it suggests no one is to blame, when it truth, it really means what happend was accidental & NOT done deliberately!!
This is just another example of 21st century speak, PC, hard hat, high-viz & “traffic incident”!!
Ross.
Carryfast:
So are you saying that you’d have driven a car or a truck through that situation at that speed not forgetting that it’s even more difficult to stop a bike than a car and you’re actually more likely to get hurt if you hit something with a bike than a car or a truckIt doesn’t matter how close the truck was when it pulled across the front of him what matters is how far away the bike was when he saw the situation developing and wether or not he reduced his speed enough at that point.That’s if he wants to stay alive of course.Which is what I think the purpose of posting the video was all about not an argument about who’s fault it was which is obvious.
I wouldn’t have driven or ridden anything at speed through a situation like that. I think you may be assuming the speed of the motorcycle at impact. Assuming makes an ■■■ out of U & Me.
You’ve never ridden a motorcycle have you, you should. It might make you open your eyes just that little bit more so’s you can peer out of the little box you seem happy to live in.
The biker made 1 potentially fatal mistake, he didn’t anticipate that everyone out there simply Does Not GAF.
bigr250:
The police don’t use the word “accident” any more as it suggests no one is to blame, when it truth, it really means what happend was accidental & NOT done deliberately!!This is just another example of 21st century speak, PC, hard hat, high-viz & “traffic incident”!!
Ross.
As a green recruit to police recovery I used to always call them ‘accidents’ in the early days.
Untill I was taken aside by a seasoned traffic cop & had the truth pointed out to me.
Carryfast:
Unless you’re saying that you would have driven at that same speed yourself through that hazard regardless of wether you’d have been driving a truck,car or riding a motorbike
What “hazard”■■? He was riding along a road, not approaching a junction, just a factory/industrial estate entrance on his left with a red truck waiting to leave & a black one from the oposite direction waiting to turn into the entrance. When the black truck came into view it was stationary & given that it was light with good visibility there was no reason to expect the Renault to do what it did & turn across the path of the bike.
This was a classic case of the only “hazard” being the lack of observation of a truck driver. & No, I wouldn’t have continued at speed into that situation, I’d probably flashed both trucks to ‘go’ & wheelied past the red one on the first piece of straight road;)
Ross.
I don`t even know why I am responding to this thread…Apart from the usual ignorance levels being shown and an overwhelming feeling from me, that I have to educate.
Although I am probably wasting my time 
I was a biker, long before I was a lorryist…I have three bikes at the moment, all with different capabilities. The manoeuvres in the first youtubes would be pretty normal for a high powered motorcycle, especially if the trucks were going slowly, you can pass a truck in nano seconds, on the back wheel too, if you so desire.
I have and still do ride a high powered motorcycle like that and if there are no old bill around,I can usually make a fourth lane on a 3 lane motorway
Maybe seen as reckless to some, but for me it is pure fun…And before you start with all that solar powered rubbish, I ride all year round and have ridden bikes in Saigon(Ho Chi Min), Bangkok, Chaing mai etc…etc…etc…The most dangerous place to ride a motorcycle is in the UK, because so many drivers in traffic jams, have such small penile endowment 
bigr250:
Carryfast:
Unless you’re saying that you would have driven at that same speed yourself through that hazard regardless of wether you’d have been driving a truck,car or riding a motorbikeWhat “hazard”■■? He was riding along a road, not approaching a junction, just a factory/industrial estate entrance on his left with a red truck waiting to leave & a black one from the oposite direction waiting to turn into the entrance. When the black truck came into view it was stationary & given that it was light with good visibility there was no reason to expect the Renault to do what it did & turn across the path of the bike.
I think that explains it he was probably approaching the situation with exactly the same viewpoint.
So to answer the question as to wether you’d have driven a truck or a car through that same situation at that same speed you’re saying yes because that situation didn’t present any type of hazard and it wasn’t a junction of one form or another .
I think you’ve missed the road sign just before the ‘junction’.That’s even without the two trucks waiting to exit it and enter it.
att:
I don`t even know why I am responding to this thread…Apart from the usual ignorance levels being shown and an overwhelming feeling from me, that I have to educate.
Although I am probably wasting my timeI was a biker, long before I was a lorryist…I have three bikes at the moment, all with different capabilities. The manoeuvres in the first youtubes would be pretty normal for a high powered motorcycle, especially if the trucks were going slowly, you can pass a truck in nano seconds, on the back wheel too, if you so desire.
I have and still do ride a high powered motorcycle like that and if there are no old bill around,I can usually make a fourth lane on a 3 lane motorway
Maybe seen as reckless to some, but for me it is pure fun…And before you start with all that solar powered rubbish, I ride all year round and have ridden bikes in Saigon(Ho Chi Min), Bangkok, Chaing mai etc…etc…etc…The most dangerous place to ride a motorcycle is in the UK, because so many drivers in traffic jams, have such small penile endowment
Sounds to me like you’re the one with the small endowment, with a pea brain to match.
berewic:
att:
I don`t even know why I am responding to this thread…Apart from the usual ignorance levels being shown and an overwhelming feeling from me, that I have to educate.
Although I am probably wasting my timeI was a biker, long before I was a lorryist…I have three bikes at the moment, all with different capabilities. The manoeuvres in the first youtubes would be pretty normal for a high powered motorcycle, especially if the trucks were going slowly, you can pass a truck in nano seconds, on the back wheel too, if you so desire.
I have and still do ride a high powered motorcycle like that and if there are no old bill around,I can usually make a fourth lane on a 3 lane motorway
Maybe seen as reckless to some, but for me it is pure fun…And before you start with all that solar powered rubbish, I ride all year round and have ridden bikes in Saigon(Ho Chi Min), Bangkok, Chaing mai etc…etc…etc…The most dangerous place to ride a motorcycle is in the UK, because so many drivers in traffic jams, have such small penile endowmentSounds to me like you’re the one with the small endowment, with a pea brain to match.
Chas has your number
In fact, he may well be correct, seeing as you have had to look this up under my posts
Weirdo.
Wheel Nut:
waynedl:
You may recognise this as The Cat and Fiddle… Fair weather biker
Either that or stark raving bonkers
Looks like a true biker, out in all weathers. Top man, well done.
Paul
dont like the look of this one 
don`t think his leg should bend there
This guy has stupid all sewn up. youtu.be/OdmALSJ4Kjo