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limeyphil:
I think anyone who uses text messageing when driving is foolish,
But i can’t see a problem with talking on the phone.
If the women on the hard shoulder had checked her vehicle before setting off then she wouldn’t have been on the hard shoulder therefore she wouldn’t have died.
So who is really at fault?
Accidents happen.

On the opposite arguement, it could be said that anyone can break down on the hard shoulder for a number of genuine reasons but to use a mobile at all when driving is a distraction that is always a deliberate act by the driver.

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limeyphil:
I think anyone who uses text messageing when driving is foolish,
But i can’t see a problem with talking on the phone.
If the women on the hard shoulder had checked her vehicle before setting off then she wouldn’t have been on the hard shoulder therefore she wouldn’t have died.
So who is really at fault?
Accidents happen.

so, punctures/blow outs on motorways do not happen?

i came out of Fleetwood on Thursday on the way to Thamesport, got off the M55 onto the M6 southbound, i noticed that there were quite a few vehicles parked on the hard shoulder with flat tyres and one vehicle was broken down, and that was before i had fully gone past Preston

i check my vehicle every day, it still didn’t stop the turbo going bang, so, in your argument, that was my fault?

or when on one of my other vehicles, the air dryer failed, is that the drivers fault?

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=“MR VAIN”]So removing a mobile phone completely from the equasion, has anyone been driving and can’t remember part of their journey?[/

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Every week…You just go on auto and the world wizzes by…

Dropped into Red Lodge Thursday night, missed the lifeboat to the cafe so had to go on to Cambridge services…Yes the puddles are deep :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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shuttlespanker:

limeyphil:
I think anyone who uses text messageing when driving is foolish,
But i can’t see a problem with talking on the phone.
If the women on the hard shoulder had checked her vehicle before setting off then she wouldn’t have been on the hard shoulder therefore she wouldn’t have died.
So who is really at fault?
Accidents happen.

so, punctures/blow outs on motorways do not happen?

i came out of Fleetwood on Thursday on the way to Thamesport, got off the M55 onto the M6 southbound, i noticed that there were quite a few vehicles parked on the hard shoulder with flat tyres and one vehicle was broken down, and that was before i had fully gone past Preston

i check my vehicle every day, it still didn’t stop the turbo going bang, so, in your argument, that was my fault?

or when on one of my other vehicles, the air dryer failed, is that the drivers fault?

Check your tyre condition and pressure and load distribution.
Carry a spare air dryer filter, change it if your air builds too slow.

So yes, it would be your fault if you broke down.

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limeyphil:

shuttlespanker:

limeyphil:
I think anyone who uses text messageing when driving is foolish,
But i can’t see a problem with talking on the phone.
If the women on the hard shoulder had checked her vehicle before setting off then she wouldn’t have been on the hard shoulder therefore she wouldn’t have died.
So who is really at fault?
Accidents happen.

so, punctures/blow outs on motorways do not happen?

i came out of Fleetwood on Thursday on the way to Thamesport, got off the M55 onto the M6 southbound, i noticed that there were quite a few vehicles parked on the hard shoulder with flat tyres and one vehicle was broken down, and that was before i had fully gone past Preston

i check my vehicle every day, it still didn’t stop the turbo going bang, so, in your argument, that was my fault?

or when on one of my other vehicles, the air dryer failed, is that the drivers fault?

Check your tyre condition and pressure and load distribution.
Carry a spare air dryer filter, change it if your air builds too slow.

So yes, it would be your fault if you broke down.

so, you don’t pick up nails or anything else that might go through a tyre on a motorway?

things fall off vehicles all the time, fact.

they can go through tyres and cause blow outs.

so, if a bolt falls off a skip lorry and a car travelling at 70mph drives over it and it causes a blow out, by your argument, it is the car drivers fault :confused:

and while we are on about the air dryer and carrying a spare, don’t talk like a complete [zb].
what about the clutch, do i have to carry a spare one of those too? or a turbo, how about a complete wheel hub, just in case that fails :confused:

sod it, lets go the whole way and tow a spare truck behind us, just in case the first one breaks down :laughing:

also, lets say i do carry a spare part to fix the truck if it breaks down, WHERE do i stop to fix it if i am on a motorway?

obviously, i can’t stop on the hard shoulder, because some dozy cow in a car might be sending a text message and run me over, but it will be my fault because i was unfortunate enough to be stupid and let my truck break down!

is this thread title about the woman in the article or about you?

(Small language edit. Simon)

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I think most folk will agree that the standard of driving these days is pretty poor, the amount of distractions about certainly does’nt help , mobiles,i-pods,makeup,laptop’s, the list is endless.
The modern attitude of " I’m alright jack stuff everybody else" probably has a lot to do with it aswell.
I also believe that another possible reason could be the replacement of traffic cops with cameras . In my area at the moment the cops are having their winter crackdown on drink driving, this means that visible police patrols are all over the place. It might just be my imagination but it seems that the standard of driving in my home town of Motherwell has risen recently,
could this be because the threat of getting done is a lot more real ■■?

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alfa man:
I think most folk will agree that the standard of driving these days is pretty poor, the amount of distractions about certainly does’nt help , mobiles,i-pods,makeup,laptop’s, the list is endless.
The modern attitude of " I’m alright jack stuff everybody else" probably has a lot to do with it aswell.
I also believe that another possible reason could be the replacement of traffic cops with cameras . In my area at the moment the cops are having their winter crackdown on drink driving, this means that visible police patrols are all over the place. It might just be my imagination but it seems that the standard of driving in my home town of Motherwell has risen recently,
could this be because the threat of getting done is a lot more real ■■?

I have never had a problem applying make up while driving, but admit the souffle I was preparing as I travelled up the M1 was very distracting, didn’t notice I had arrived in Blackpool.

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shuttlespanker.

So you call out daf for the slightest thing?
Air dryer filters are a service item like bulbs, suzies, ect.
A clutch is not a service item, so you wouldn’t carry a spare.

My point is that a car driver should check there vehicle just as we should.
This could have prevented a fatality.
Vehicles don’t break down just because they feel like it.
They break down because we make them do it.

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it wasn’t the filter, it was a 3 month old air dryer

what you said was, carry a spare air dryer, not a filter

a new filter would not have fixed the truck, it needed a new air dryer.

but, as i asked in the previous post, where do i stop to fix it?

if the truck breaks down, it stops, it will not let me go somewhere safe to fix the problem

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limeyphil:
My point is that a car driver should check there vehicle just as we should.
This could have prevented a fatality.
Vehicles don’t break down just because they feel like it.
They break down because we make them do it.

True but that is an ‘oversight’ by the driver and not a deliberate intentional act.

To use a mobile at all when driving is a distraction that is always a deliberate intentional act by the driver

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shuttlespanker:
what you said was, carry a spare air dryer, not a filter

Well i meant to say filter.
And you should have known that. :laughing: :laughing:

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There is 1 Leicester haulier I work for who texts all his drivers every morning at 7am “Is everything OK this morning” Me thinks er , if it was,nt I would have rang you at 4 when I started! ■■■

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limeyphil:

shuttlespanker:
what you said was, carry a spare air dryer, not a filter

Well i meant to say filter.
And you should have known that. :laughing: :laughing:

so, not only would he have to carry a filter, but a tool kit too, the air dryer filter is a right pain in the preverbial to get off :imp:

but, as i said earlier, it wasn’t the filter that failed, it was the air dryer itself which was only 3 months old.

can you tell if a virtually brand new air dryer is going to fail?

you had better hope you can, because if you can’t and your truck breaks down, IT’S YOUR FAULT :laughing:

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I keep getting told off for not answering the phone…so i told the company that i do not answer the phone whilst driving…he said i had a headset and should use that. I then told him that having a headset or a piece stuck in your ear, does not constitute hands free, and is in fact an offence if you have to touch the keypad.
GET A PROPER HANDSFREE KIT if you want me to talk whilst driving, and that means a fixed phone.
As a matter of interest, i lost a load yesterday, because i didnt answer the phone telling me to go and collect a return load from witney oxon…serves them right.

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Giblsa:

MR VAIN:
So removing a mobile phone completely from the equasion, has anyone been driving and can’t remember part of their journey?

yes

but i believe that is a sign of tiredness. dont know how true this is but if you cant remember passing the previous 2 junctions you are on the verge of starting to doze off to sleep so pull over and have a power hour!

I remember reading that this occurs at times of heightened concentration too.

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Mike-C:

Giblsa:

MR VAIN:
So removing a mobile phone completely from the equasion, has anyone been driving and can’t remember part of their journey?

yes

but i believe that is a sign of tiredness. dont know how true this is but if you cant remember passing the previous 2 junctions you are on the verge of starting to doze off to sleep so pull over and have a power hour!

I remember reading that this occurs at times of heightened concentration too.

YES - Usually if the concentration is elsewhere and not on the task in hand BUT is possible in say, very heavy fast moving traffic where the concentration is on moving hazards and not on fixed ones - such as the impending junction.

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simple fact of the matter is if you have a crash and kill someone and an investigation reveals you to have been on the phone (through your phone records), you more than likely will go to jail.

all for the sake of putting off the call until you stop, or stopping to take the call, if practical and safe

i will admit to texting the odd time, but im young and i can do it without looking at the phone, not like you old blokes…

i’ll get a move on shall i… :laughing:

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Try this one, be honest! observation is not as clear cut as we think, yes i’ll admit i have missed sections of my journey, when i realise, it scares the proverbial out of me, we all do it, the ones who worry me most are the ones who deny they ever miss anything, they’re so sure of themselves, too sure!

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gnasty gnome:

MR VAIN:
So removing a mobile phone completely from the equasion, has anyone been driving and can’t remember part of their journey?

Yes, and it’s stayed in my mind for over 20 years. 1987, M1 north, Friday night about 8.30pm, I passed Watford Gap and the last time I noticed I was at Newport Pagnell.

I can only put it down to being on “automatic pilot”. Scary. :frowning:

Gibsla, I’ve done that too. At the time I was just annoyed but when I thought back it rattled me a bit.

the worst ive done which scared the hell out of me was thinking " oh look im passing sheffield " next thing i thought was " well here i am just pulling into coke at wakefield " :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: and ive no recollection of anything in between.

my dad in the old days of before tacho’s was knackered and thought im going to have to pull into scratchwood services ( now london at bottom of M1 ) pulled into the services and it was woolley edge. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

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I understood the law on mobiles to be you can use them while driving aslong as they are attatched to the vehicle via a cradle e.t.c. This INCLUDES texting, so you can text but not when holding the phone in your hand.

Surely thats even more dangerous than texting while its in your hand. Maybe the laws changed to take this into account? Possibly using a phone in this way would come under “driving without due care and attention” and so doesnt need the law changing.