Scanny77,
I am suprised at your attitude to the contents of this thread. From some of your other posts, I thought you more ‘forward thinking’.
This thread here started by you had some good ideas (training for all) but i’m sure that a company as large and high profile as Excel would be reluctant to support your ideas if they also knew your thoughts with regard to European nationals.
In a company such as theirs, let alone the amount of depots overseas, i’m sure that there are some Polish (and other foreign) workers on their books somewhere. I just don’t see them supporting your other (admirable) ideas unless all those involved are ‘squeaky clean’ and present no risk whatsoever of bad publicity. Remember, most of the press love a bad story but good news is just too boring. 
Did you intend that the ‘training for all’ would be available to all UK based drivers or just those that hold a UK passport? I can picture the headlines! 
I always thought your ideas for the ‘training’ were admirable and would involve lots & lots of hard work, but I still hoped you would succeed. I’ll now reserve my judgement until I am convinced that ‘training for all’ actaully means for all and not just those that hold certain passports.
i keep my work and politics separate and that includes this project. i have to deliver to ethnic shops as part of my job but i get on with it. generally speaking, i do not agree with the flood of internationals that are over here but i still take people individually as i come across them.
the training is open to all users of these forums regardless of race, colour or whatever else. if they genuinely want to learn or teach then they are welcome to attend.
as for the job, necessity is the most important thing at any given time. i didnt choose to move down here. i loathe southampton but i am setting myself up at the moment and will relocate at a more appropriate time
I think yet again people are assuming that this type of thread is having a go at the Polish drivers, In reality it is having a go at the COMPANIES that are employing them. They use the excuse that they can not get drivers in this country, that is total rubbish, what it really is is that they can not get a driver for the pay they are offering, and they know they can get cheap labour elsewhere. So all you do gooders please stop assuming that we are xenophobic, we are not, we just want to see a fair pay for a fair days work.
As a final point I fully support the migration of labour accross the EU, But it should not end up undermining the economics of a country, and that is what is happening here.
smcaul:
I think yet again people are assuming that this type of thread is having a go at the Polish drivers, In reality it is having a go at the COMPANIES that are employing them. They use the excuse that they can not get drivers in this country, that is total rubbish, what it really is is that they can not get a driver for the pay they are offering, and they know they can get cheap labour elsewhere. So all you do gooders please stop assuming that we are xenophobic, we are not, we just want to see a fair pay for a fair days work.
As a final point I fully support the migration of labour accross the EU, But it should not end up undermining the economics of a country, and that is what is happening here.
well said. if they can do a decent job then fair enough. if they come here to sponge off us through taxes, we are being stitched up again
its the companies who pay a decent wage that end up with the decent drivers. those who pay low wages cant get drivers unless they go to an agency which means they end up paying more and chancing whatever walks into their office
Scanny & smcaul,
Am I wrong because I have taken a job in Germany that means I have improved my personal conditions?
Are all those people who have emmigrated to Spain, Australia and/or Canada also in the wrong?
Certainly a lot of the Canadian companies that now advertise in UK are (supposidly) paying less money to ‘immigrants’; just look on the Trucknet Canada threads.
If posters really aren’t having a dig at Polish workers, then choose your words and descriptive terms more carefully. 
scanny77:
as for the job, necessity is the most important thing at any given time. i didnt choose to move down here. i loathe southampton but i am setting myself up at the moment and will relocate at a more appropriate time
Imagine this said with a slight ‘foreign accent’!
“As for the job, necessity is the most important thing at any given time. I didn’t choose to work in UK. I loathe UK but I am setting myself up at the moment and will relocate back to my part of Europe at a more appropriate time.”
like my accent? i am Scottish remember 
Most of the posters on here couldnt tell the difference between a Pole and an afghan refugee, they tar everyone with the Polish driver syndrome.
If you want a job with Tesco, go to Hungary or Poland, they have shops there too
carlbrum:
can u belive the radio today tesco have said there goin to bring polish workers over here to fill the shelf,s may if they paid us english a decent wage people work go to work for them sound,s like cheap labour to me
Tesco’s in Folkestone advertised for months and couldn’t get anyone to do it.
They were advertising the rate at 8.50 an hour, other benefits included cheap canteen, health care and company profit scheme.
Now that seems a pretty decent wage and benefits package to me, and probably better than most drivers get.
So what exactly is the problem??
Linux-user:
carlbrum:
can u belive the radio today tesco have said there goin to bring polish workers over here to fill the shelf,s may if they paid us english a decent wage people work go to work for them sound,s like cheap labour to me
Tesco’s in Folkestone advertised for months and couldn’t get anyone to do it.
They were advertising the rate at 8.50 an hour, other benefits included cheap canteen, health care and company profit scheme.
Now that seems a pretty decent wage and benefits package to me, and probably better than most drivers get.
So what exactly is the problem??
in my case, principles. its the supermarkets that are forcing rates down and therefore profit margins. im not saying that our wages are suffering but im sure a lot of companies are forced to cut their losses as a direct result of the cut throat competition. that will lead to job losses too though
north surrey haulage:
thats excellent wear do you get them.
jessicas dad:
north surrey haulage:
thats excellent wear do you get them.
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Hi
Don’t you know that the working time directive is to make more jobs? Jobs for those overseas, of course, not for us? With some Agencies bringing these people over, some of them living twenty or more to a house, time to look to your own jobs boys, tomorrow may be too late!
We are truly becoming the slave labour capital of the world, and come to think of it, the gob hole of Europe.
Someone, somewhere wants us broke to match those countries overseas. It’s a bit unfortunate for us that we live in a greedy expensive country and we can’t afford to take those jobs they keep saying we don’t ‘want’?
Reading the thread and posts here there is nothing wrong with anyone working anywhere because they do it to improve their standard of living. Poles and other EU workers have flooded this country because their country is not so great in providing them with standards that we are accustomed to . Their pay is rubbish compared toours so they come here. They will accept a lower rate than us because the rate being offered is a lot higher than what they are getting in their own country. You cant blame them!
However we (English sorry if that offends the british but some are only british when it suits) are starting to move away because our standard of living appears to be on the decline so we go to another country to improve it and this is due to the influx of foreigners willing to do the job for less!
£250 for a truck driver here is scandalous, £250 for a a foreign driver (E. Europe)here is excellent! You cant blame forigners for coming here.Its the sectors, blue chip companies, who dish the work out who are to blame.
This applies to all sectors of the industry , employed and the self employed, rates being driven down where now you are paying a company in the UK to take their goods abroad, and indeed many other industries so where does it end ?
IT DOESNT!
“Tesco drops Polish driver plan
Motor Transport reports that Tesco says it won’t take any more continental drivers although its tests with the Polish drivers had ‘gone as expected.’
More from Andrew Brown on +44(0)2 086 523 285 or andrew.brown@rbi.co.uk”
source: C V News 30/05/05
You got it all wrong people…what they were looking for was drivers for £3 an hour and a tin of polish.