just watched a channel four unercover story regarding jJD sports in Rochdale,shocking working conditions zero hours contracts. Three strikes and your out .Makes
Sports Direct look like Butlins i know where i’d rather be next week. Taking the usual beatings on the motorways,Not working in a sweatshop thank you very much
so may large warehouse types give 0 hour contracts… I dont know how people survive on them I mean its all well and good if you are always working but imagine the phone call in the morning just after you have dragged your sorry arse out of your bed… Hi slave please don’t come to work this week as we don’t have nothing for you to do… the week off would be good but having no money the following week would be a real bummer
Ergot2005:
so may large warehouse types give 0 hour contracts… I dont know how people survive on them I mean its all well and good if you are always working but imagine the phone call in the morning just after you have dragged your sorry arse out of your bed… Hi slave please don’t come to work this week as we don’t have nothing for you to do… the week off would be good but having no money the following week would be a real bummer
MPS are appalled, wouldn’t be Suprised to see them hauled before a Parlimentary select Commision to explain there working practices shocking
People get what they deserve in my opinion. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but if you are happy to be taken for a ride, don’t complain when someone throws a saddle on your back.
About time people stood their ground a bit.
eagerbeaver:
People get what they deserve in my opinion. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but if you are happy to be taken for a ride, don’t complain when someone throws a saddle on your back.About time people stood their ground a bit.
when you have mouths to feed and no qualifications ,these are the types of jobs that keeps people maybe just above the breadline ,
Its the big fat greedy directors who Exploit these workers who are to blame, Not working class everyday people, who would if given a choice not be there
keepthefaith:
eagerbeaver:
People get what they deserve in my opinion. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but if you are happy to be taken for a ride, don’t complain when someone throws a saddle on your back.About time people stood their ground a bit.
when you have mouths to feed and no qualifications ,these are the types of jobs that keeps people maybe just above the breadline ,
Its the big fat greedy directors who Exploit these workers who are to blame, Not working class everyday people, who would if given a choice not be there
Also remember if the job is there and you don’t take it or lose it as your own fault the job centre stops your money. If it is this or nothing (including no dole) that’s why people do it
kcrussell25:
keepthefaith:
eagerbeaver:
People get what they deserve in my opinion. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but if you are happy to be taken for a ride, don’t complain when someone throws a saddle on your back.About time people stood their ground a bit.
when you have mouths to feed and no qualifications ,these are the types of jobs that keeps people maybe just above the breadline ,
Its the big fat greedy directors who Exploit these workers who are to blame, Not working class everyday people, who would if given a choice not be thereAlso remember if the job is there and you don’t take it or lose it as your own fault the job centre stops your money. If it is this or nothing (including no dole) that’s why people do it
i remember what must be 8 years ago now ending up at the dreaded job center having to sign on. i had to sign a piece of paper saying i would be willing to take agency work if offered… refused the sign the ■■■■ thing and asked what happens if i get one days work then that’s it she said you have to then come back down and re sign on… I was like and re wait a few weeks for my money to start coming back in? while my rent goes unpaid and my kids go un-fed? ‘’;if you dont sign we cannot help you’’ i Soon stood up told the woman to have a good day spent the rest of the day going around industrial estates asking for work which was very productive spent many years in that job until i became a truck driver
Problem with the uk now a days for reasons i wont go into on here for fear of grief from others. we just don’t stick together anymore. if we… or more, they stuck together and said hey we aint signing a contract for 0 hours i think on a whole they would be better off. But when we have people coming here willing to sign anything to get work then we lose out.
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…
“In-Work benefits now pay more even for people with no kids than basic JSA”.
SO… If you can get a job - ANY job - you’ll get more benefits than if you just watched daytime TV, and ■■■■■■ about all day, not bothering to look for work.
The local employers know there is this desire to get a “Tax Credits Fodder Job”, and provide many of them to as many people as they can take on at once.
Other would-be employers, now cannot find anyone to take their minimum waged jobs they had intended for the same community, so they just move on, and away.
“No other job” in the area, means these staff are now slaves to the firm though. If they lose the job, they lose the plum benefits that go with it. So they’ll run uphill a lot to keep those jobs.
So… Boss can make the in-work regime as had as he ■■■■ well likes. It’s licensed Slavery and it’s all down to the “Minimum Wage” being too low, and “Tax Credits” being made available for everyone, not just working parents, long-distance commuters, etc. which would probably have been better.
I must have missed the part where the workers had a gun to their heads keeping them there.
min wage jobs all over the country are ten a penny.
Winseer:
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…“In-Work benefits now pay more even for people with no kids than basic JSA”.
SO… If you can get a job - ANY job - you’ll get more benefits than if you just watched daytime TV, and ■■■■■■ about all day, not bothering to look for work.
The local employers know there is this desire to get a “Tax Credits Fodder Job”, and provide many of them to as many people as they can take on at once.
Other would-be employers, now cannot find anyone to take their minimum waged jobs they had intended for the same community, so they just move on, and away.“No other job” in the area, means these staff are now slaves to the firm though. If they lose the job, they lose the plum benefits that go with it. So they’ll run uphill a lot to keep those jobs.
So… Boss can make the in-work regime as had as he ■■■■ well likes. It’s licensed Slavery and it’s all down to the “Minimum Wage” being too low, and “Tax Credits” being made available for everyone, not just working parents, long-distance commuters, etc. which would probably have been better.
Im on the Spanish tax system and lost my way with UK workings but tax credits are not benefits are they??
Winseer:
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…
Thing is though your theory is a symptom of the situation, not the root cause.
Right I’ve read your ‘theory’ so now here are the FACTS as to why.
(I will try and avoid going into a Carryfast style btw. 
)
The reason for every goddam problem in British industry, including ours, (and some would say especially ours when you consider the excessively long days and weekly hours in ratio to wage comparison to most other industries) is the drip feed eradication over the years of workers rights.
Unions became pariahs among much of the general public after the Scargill Thatcher fiasco (still trying not to sound like a Carryfast post here btw so bear with me ) people now had mortgages after council house sales, and they saw what happened to miner’s families after they dared to (and failed) to stand up to the Government.
The echelons of the Establishment as far up as the government, took full advantage of this new anti union feeling among ordinary people like us, brought about by dissatisfaction with the ridiculous levels of union power, which created a paradox, and started to put the squeeze on said people .
So now we are at the level we are, ok most of us get by, we aint gone as far as the Victorian workhouse days yet, but we are back to the pre Trade Union days, where governments actually and actively try and prevent any type of union (with a small ‘u’) and The Trade Unions have virtually no say or are unable to represent the working man/woman.
So again like pre industrial revolution days (ok maybe not as harsh) we have crap conditions, unscrupulous employers, dodgy holiday schemes, relatively poor pay, derisory pay structures like time and a quid after 60 hours, and all the rest of the stuff just handed back on a plate that our granfathers fought for.
People such as Mike Ashley love this fact.
I won’t insult you with the ‘‘If we all stood together’’ chestnut, as there is an endemic backbone faliure in place somehow today.
Here endeth this mornings Social History lecture.
Sorry to bore the arse off everybody, but facts are better than theories.
Make sure u don’t pass the interview stage solves this problem,
Her is a few ways out
Turn up for interview a follows,
Under the influence,
Falling around the place
Appear disillusioned
Tell the interviewer you can hear voices telling you do certain stuff
There is loads of ways to prevent them from hiring you !
Also remember if the job is there and you don’t take it or lose it as your own fault the job centre stops your money. If it is this or nothing (including no dole) that’s why people do it
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nedflanders:
Make sure u don’t pass the interview stage solves this problem,
Her is a few ways out
Turn up for interview a follows,Under the influence,
Falling around the place
Appear disillusioned
Tell the interviewer you can hear voices telling you do certain stuffThere is loads of ways to prevent them from hiring you !
Also remember if the job is there and you don’t take it or lose it as your own fault the job centre stops your money. If it is this or nothing (including no dole) that’s why people do it
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i remember when i was in management we had a few people from the agency to do painting and a little bit of cleaning in the factory. the reports i get just shocked me. i spent a short time watching these individuals and confronted them. they openly spoke about not wanting to be here and only accepting the job so they could stay on benefits. it was only 2 days work… minimum wage… anyone can paint i thought… not these 2 clowns
robroy:
The reason for every goddam problem in British industry, including ours, (and some would say especially ours when you consider the excessively long days and weekly hours in ratio to wage comparison to most other industries) is the drip feed eradication over the years of workers rights.Unions became pariahs among much of the general public after the Scargill Thatcher fiasco (still trying not to sound like a Carryfast post here btw so bear with me
The echelons of the Establishment as far up as the government, took full advantage of this new anti union feeling among ordinary people like us, brought about by dissatisfaction with the ridiculous levels of union power, which created a paradox, and started to put the squeeze on said people.
Reasonable enough points all of those, but I am surprised that you don’t mention the additional problem created by the attitude displayed by some employees, never mind employers, as you are normally on the ball about that.
When you have people (and quite a lot of them, judging from posts on here) who actually want to work 65 or 70 hours per week (and they do) on the basis that an absolutely toss hourly rate becomes a half-decent weekly wage if you eat, drink and sleep the job for five or six days, collectively things are never going to go anywhere. This thirst for doing as many hours as is legally possible then leads to bosses’ attitudes of ‘what’s your problem - John/Phil/whoever is happy to do it?’ or ‘if you don’t like it, [zb] off’ towards those who do not wish to spend every waking minute at work, and there is thus no, and nor will there every be any, collective traction for anything to change.
Look at those on here who think it is some kind of truckers’ badge of honour to boast that they did 70 hours last week, or whatever. That is what the remainder of the industry is up against.
so if your away tramping either uk or abroad,whats the problem in doing a decent days work…11 hours off has me climbing the walls with boredom apart from now and again for a right good sleep if im wrecked.your away yourself,and unless your parked up somewhere attractive,then i see nothing wrong in working to suit.
anyhoo why dont people just work to suit themself and let everyone else do similar.i think anyone in a stobrat/tosco enviroment are out of their tree,brain dead,or just bone idle lazy gits and a perfect example of why britain as a whole is down the toilet.
ive never been in a union as i dont agree with the way they operate,and ive always worked mostly to suit myself…happy days.
as far as jobs go,then this is how it works.
achmed falls off the trailer in dover…gets a job as a traffic cone or pencil sharpener for min wage min hours per week at his brothers,cousin,or some ■■■■ relation…achmed now gets full dole,plus tax credits ,achmed never works for brother other than when nice man from dole pops in to see him ,then brother phones achmed to come round as no matter what day dole man comes itl be achmeds day off…achmeds and brother splits the difference between dole and tax credits and pockets the cash,while achmed works on the black in a kebeb shop or siilar,while still claiming for the brats,and wife who will always be up the duff to always be improving the income. at that point,theres no advantage to e taking a legit fulltime job as itl cost the poor man a fortune in lost income.
thats the way it works for a good few here now. it all depends how daft/honest you are at the jsa interview as they are entraping you to a contract that your unaware of until its too late.
Olog Hai:
robroy:
The reason for every goddam problem in British industry, including ours, (and some would say especially ours when you consider the excessively long days and weekly hours in ratio to wage comparison to most other industries) is the drip feed eradication over the years of workers rights.Unions became pariahs among much of the general public after the Scargill Thatcher fiasco (still trying not to sound like a Carryfast post here btw so bear with me
The echelons of the Establishment as far up as the government, took full advantage of this new anti union feeling among ordinary people like us, brought about by dissatisfaction with the ridiculous levels of union power, which created a paradox, and started to put the squeeze on said people.
Reasonable enough points all of those, but I am surprised that you don’t mention the additional problem created by the attitude displayed by some employees, never mind employers, as you are normally on the ball about that.
When you have people (and quite a lot of them, judging from posts on here) who actually want to work 65 or 70 hours per week (and they do) on the basis that an absolutely toss hourly rate becomes a half-decent weekly wage if you eat, drink and sleep the job for five or six days, collectively things are never going to go anywhere. This thirst for doing as many hours as is legally possible then leads to bosses’ attitudes of ‘what’s your problem - John/Phil/whoever is happy to do it?’ or ‘if you don’t like it, [zb] off’ towards those who do not wish to spend every waking minute at work, and there is thus no, and nor will there every be any, collective traction for anything to change.
Look at those on here who think it is some kind of truckers’ badge of honour to boast that they did 70 hours last week, or whatever. That is what the remainder of the industry is up against.
The reason I gave up driving full time in 1978 at the age of 27 was exactly this. I had a young family that I hardly saw and at the time was working for BRS delivering Cadburys chocolate around the City of London. Basic hours, basic pay. In addition there were few if any HGV jobs in the area, Surrey Docks, those that were about were filled by people who knew people, mainly ex-dockers.
I then started a career with the Home Office and over the years achieved things I would never have had if I had stayed driving. I obtained my HGV1 in 1979 and spent two periods of five years doing casual driving for large companies. When I finished the second stint in 2013 I knew that I had made the right decision back in 1978.
Let’s face it, many big companies that run warehouses don’t want staff, they want robots. They only really entertain warehouse staff these days as an inconvenient stop gap until the robotics are ready to move in.
dieseldog999:
so if your away tramping either uk or abroad,whats the problem in doing a decent days work…11 hours off has me climbing the walls with boredom apart from now and again for a right good sleep if im wrecked.your away yourself,and unless your parked up somewhere attractive,then i see nothing wrong in working to suit.
anyhoo why dont people just work to suit themself and let everyone else do similar.i think anyone in a stobrat/tosco enviroment are out of their tree,brain dead,or just bone idle lazy gits and a perfect example of why britain as a whole is down the toilet.
ive never been in a union as i dont agree with the way they operate,and ive always worked mostly to suit myself…happy days.as far as jobs go,then this is how it works.
achmed falls off the trailer in dover…gets a job as a traffic cone or pencil sharpener for min wage min hours per week at his brothers,cousin,or some ■■■■ relation…achmed now gets full dole,plus tax credits ,achmed never works for brother other than when nice man from dole pops in to see him ,then brother phones achmed to come round as no matter what day dole man comes itl be achmeds day off…achmeds and brother splits the difference between dole and tax credits and pockets the cash,while achmed works on the black in a kebeb shop or siilar,while still claiming for the brats,and wife who will always be up the duff to always be improving the income. at that point,theres no advantage to e taking a legit fulltime job as itl cost the poor man a fortune in lost income.
thats the way it works for a good few here now. it all depends how daft/honest you are at the jsa interview as they are entraping you to a contract that your unaware of until its too late.
I usually try not to bite DD, but here goes not wanting a spat so let’s keep it friendly.
Firstly by your own admission in countless posts you admit, (bordering on boasting) that you have little regard to drivers hours law, and all the rest of it, and that you run the job in the Wild West style of Irish trucking,… fair do.s mate, nothing to do with me, so crack on if you get away with it, each to his own, live and let live, and all that stuff.
I once (as we ALL did) in the 80s free for all days, ran the job in a similar way with my own truck, …go like ■■■■, work around the clock (and somtimes beyond) wires, fuses, cables, interupters, 2 cards, etc etc, been there, done that, got the t shirt AND the sweatshirt hoodie. 
Having said that, I have now moved on, I run 100% legal, to the point where I’m not in the slightest bit ■■■■ interested in maxing out, minimum rests (daily and/or weekends) work sleep patterns, and all the rest of the crap that most practice in this job…
I have seen the light if you like, if that makes me one of your ‘‘lazy plobbers’’ in your eyes, well so be it, that is your prerogative for interpretation bud. I prefer to look it as seeing through the mist and bull crap as to how things REALLY are.
To keep on thread here,
The MAIN problem is, with a lot of lads in this job today is that they HAVE to do it. Not run bent, but work this 70+ ■■■■■■■■.
The job (and my main gripe) the wage structure DICTATES it, to allow them to provide for their families and pay their mortgages.
There is a vast difference between working 70+hours on an old style (Union provided) time and a half or similar basis, that provides a lucrative wage, to a 70 hour paid same low rate right through that only provides a wage to live with a little left over for a sweetner.
This system of forcing people into crap ts and c.s is carried out to the ultimate degree in these modern sweatshop style warehouses.
Unlike you I can see the benefit of a union, but only if they are kept in their place to their reason to be, rather than rule the ■■■■ country as I said last post.
However like you, I also work in a way to to suit ME , but maybe in a different way to you.
Your point about ‘the foriegners’ is quite valid, but to be fair it is too easy just to blame them for everything, but our own workforce share a lot, if not more of the responsibility in reality I reckon.
So hey!..keep it lit in your yoke, with the dealer boots V8 jacket, and all the other Tang stuff, and good luck with it. Seriously
I won’t insult your intelligence by saying it is only a matter of time before things go ■■■■ up and you are busted, I know you are fully aware of that, part of the attraction live dangerously and all that.
In some respects I do miss those days, but in others I deffo do not,… but to be fair DD, you can not just write off guys as lazy bastds or whatever, just because they do not share your enthusiasm for working around the clock.
Crack on mate.
robroy:
dieseldog999:
so if your away tramping either uk or abroad,whats the problem in doing a decent days work…11 hours off has me climbing the walls with boredom apart from now and again for a right good sleep if im wrecked.your away yourself,and unless your parked up somewhere attractive,then i see nothing wrong in working to suit.
anyhoo why dont people just work to suit themself and let everyone else do similar.i think anyone in a stobrat/tosco enviroment are out of their tree,brain dead,or just bone idle lazy gits and a perfect example of why britain as a whole is down the toilet.
ive never been in a union as i dont agree with the way they operate,and ive always worked mostly to suit myself…happy days.as far as jobs go,then this is how it works.
achmed falls off the trailer in dover…gets a job as a traffic cone or pencil sharpener for min wage min hours per week at his brothers,cousin,or some ■■■■ relation…achmed now gets full dole,plus tax credits ,achmed never works for brother other than when nice man from dole pops in to see him ,then brother phones achmed to come round as no matter what day dole man comes itl be achmeds day off…achmeds and brother splits the difference between dole and tax credits and pockets the cash,while achmed works on the black in a kebeb shop or siilar,while still claiming for the brats,and wife who will always be up the duff to always be improving the income. at that point,theres no advantage to e taking a legit fulltime job as itl cost the poor man a fortune in lost income.
thats the way it works for a good few here now. it all depends how daft/honest you are at the jsa interview as they are entraping you to a contract that your unaware of until its too late.I usually try not to bite DD, but here goes
Firstly by your own admission in countless posts you admit, (bordering on boasting) that you have little regard to drivers hours law, and all the rest of it, and that you run the job in the Wild West style
I once (as we ALL did) in the 80s free for all days, ran the job in a similar way with my own truck, …go like [zb], work around the clock (and somtimes beyond) wires, fuses, cables, interupters, 2 cards, etc etc, been there, done that, got the t shirt AND the sweatshirt hoodie.Having said that, I have now moved on, I run 100% legal, to the point where I’m not in the slightest bit [zb] interested in maxing out, minimum rests (daily and/or weekends) work sleep patterns, and all the rest of the crap that most practice in this job…
I have seen the light if you like, if that makes me one of your ‘‘lazy plobbers’’ in your eyes, well so be it, that is your prerogative for interpretation bud. I prefer to look it as seeing through the mist and bull crap as to how things REALLY are.
To keep on thread here,
The MAIN problem is, with a lot of lads in this job today is that they HAVE to do it. Not run bent, but work this 70+ ■■■■■■■■.
The job (and my main gripe) the wage structure DICTATES it, to allow them to provide for their families and pay their mortgages.There is a vast difference between working 70+hours on an old style (Union provided) time and a half or similar basis, that provides a lucrative wage, to a 70 hour paid same low rate right through that only provides a wage to live with a little left over for a sweetner.
This system of forcing people into crap ts and c.s is carried out to the ultimate degree in these modern sweatshop style warehouses.
Unlike you I can see the benefit of a union, but only if they are kept in their place to their reason to be, rather than rule the [zb] country as I said last post.However like you, I also work in a way to to suit ME , but maybe in a different way to you.
Your point about ‘the foriegners’ is quite valid, but to be fair it is too easy just to blame them for everything, but our own workforce share a lot, if not more of the responsibility in reality I reckon.
So hey!..keep it lit in your yoke, with the dealer boots V8 jacket, and all the other Tang stuff, and good luck with it. Seriously
I won’t insult your intelligence by saying it is only a matter of time before things go ■■■■ up and you are busted, I know you are fully aware of that, part of the attraction live dangerously and all that.
In some respects I do miss those days, but in others I deffo do not,… but to be fair DD, you can not just write off guys as lazy bastds or whatever, just because they do not share your enthusiasm for working around the clock.
Crack on mate.
Well put that man.
robroy:
Winseer:
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…Thing is though your theory is a symptom of the situation, not the root cause.
Right I’ve read your ‘theory’ so now here are the FACTS as to why.
(I will try and avoid going into a Carryfast style btw.
)
The reason for every goddam problem in British industry, including ours, (and some would say especially ours when you consider the excessively long days and weekly hours in ratio to wage comparison to most other industries) is the drip feed eradication over the years of workers rights.Unions became pariahs among much of the general public after the Scargill Thatcher fiasco (still trying not to sound like a Carryfast post here btw so bear with me
The echelons of the Establishment as far up as the government, took full advantage of this new anti union feeling among ordinary people like us, brought about by dissatisfaction with the ridiculous levels of union power, which created a paradox, and started to put the squeeze on said people .
So now we are at the level we are, ok most of us get by, we aint gone as far as the Victorian workhouse days yet, but we are back to the pre Trade Union days, where governments actually and actively try and prevent any type of union (with a small ‘u’) and The Trade Unions have virtually no say or are unable to represent the working man/woman.
So again like pre industrial revolution days (ok maybe not as harsh) we have crap conditions, unscrupulous employers, dodgy holiday schemes, relatively poor pay, derisory pay structures like time and a quid after 60 hours, and all the rest of the stuff just handed back on a plate that our granfathers fought for.
People such as Mike Ashley love this fact.I won’t insult you with the ‘‘If we all stood together’’ chestnut, as there is an endemic backbone faliure in place somehow today.
Here endeth this mornings Social History lecture.
Sorry to bore the arse off everybody, but facts are better than theories.
Aye Robroy you’re correct here. Much as I couldn’t stand Thatcher and what she stood for she was a clever twunt.
Council house sales, govt privatisations, confronting the miners. All part of the same plan to make it untenable for the average worker to strike. Council house sales then fuelled house price inflation which was probably a bonus as two people now need to pay a mortgage.
Mind you if the post war unions hadn’t got too carried away with the power they wielded and been more realistic working with industry not against it things may have been so different.
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