This week is a good example of what is wrong with trade unions, it is not the employer that suffers but the customer.
As things are the government is likely to try and impose more legislation on union members activity.
Instead of trying to be fair to their fellow workers they simply put two fingers up and say we’re alright Jack.
nedflanders:
Make sure u don’t pass the interview stage solves this problem,
Her is a few ways out
Turn up for interview a follows,Under the influence,
Falling around the place
Appear disillusioned
Tell the interviewer you can hear voices telling you do certain stuffThere is loads of ways to prevent them from hiring you !
Some of these can help as well -
eagerbeaver:
People get what they deserve in my opinion. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but if you are happy to be taken for a ride, don’t complain when someone throws a saddle on your back.About time people stood their ground a bit.
In this game ?Your kidding right ?
Winseer:
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…“In-Work benefits now pay more even for people with no kids than basic JSA”.
SO… If you can get a job - ANY job - you’ll get more benefits than if you just watched daytime TV, and ■■■■■■ about all day, not bothering to look for work.
The local employers know there is this desire to get a “Tax Credits Fodder Job”, and provide many of them to as many people as they can take on at once.
Other would-be employers, now cannot find anyone to take their minimum waged jobs they had intended for the same community, so they just move on, and away.“No other job” in the area, means these staff are now slaves to the firm though. If they lose the job, they lose the plum benefits that go with it. So they’ll run uphill a lot to keep those jobs.
So… Boss can make the in-work regime as had as he ■■■■ well likes. It’s licensed Slavery and it’s all down to the “Minimum Wage” being too low, and “Tax Credits” being made available for everyone, not just working parents, long-distance commuters, etc. which would probably have been better.
Have you researched the WTC calculator recently ? .if you had you would know that what you have said regarding those who are single getting WTC if you were getting a poultry sum of £16,000 per annum you would get didly squat you would probably have to be earning less than £250.00 per week, I can remember when i did agency work some weeks i earned £600 before deductions other weeks nothing, i claimed WTC and the amount i got was the same amount as my CT monthly instalment a f*ing joke
Albert1- Why do you ask if I am kidding?
Always flog a willing workhorse. That is many an employers mantra.
eagerbeaver:
Albert1- Why do you ask if I am kidding?Always flog a willing workhorse. That is many an employers mantra.
Have a look on the Newbie forum, I don’t usually go there but was pm.d to have a look.
Think he’s a bit ■■■■■■ with the job.
Edit: Oh right… Just had another look, I see you have got involved. 
So I’ll leave you to it.
I usually try not to bite DD, but here goes not wanting a spat so let’s keep it friendly.
Firstly by your own admission in countless posts you admit, (bordering on boasting) that you have little regard to drivers hours law, and all the rest of it, and that you run the job in the Wild West style of Irish trucking,… fair do.s mate, nothing to do with me, so crack on if you get away with it, each to his own, live and let live, and all that stuff.
I once (as we ALL did) in the 80s free for all days, ran the job in a similar way with my own truck, …go like [zb], work around the clock (and somtimes beyond) wires, fuses, cables, interupters, 2 cards, etc etc, been there, done that, got the t shirt AND the sweatshirt hoodie. 
Having said that, I have now moved on, I run 100% legal, to the point where I’m not in the slightest bit [zb] interested in maxing out, minimum rests (daily and/or weekends) work sleep patterns, and all the rest of the crap that most practice in this job…
I have seen the light if you like, if that makes me one of your ‘‘lazy plobbers’’ in your eyes, well so be it, that is your prerogative for interpretation bud. I prefer to look it as seeing through the mist and bull crap as to how things REALLY are.
To keep on thread here,
The MAIN problem is, with a lot of lads in this job today is that they HAVE to do it. Not run bent, but work this 70+ ■■■■■■■■.
The job (and my main gripe) the wage structure DICTATES it, to allow them to provide for their families and pay their mortgages.
There is a vast difference between working 70+hours on an old style (Union provided) time and a half or similar basis, that provides a lucrative wage, to a 70 hour paid same low rate right through that only provides a wage to live with a little left over for a sweetner.
This system of forcing people into crap ts and c.s is carried out to the ultimate degree in these modern sweatshop style warehouses.
Unlike you I can see the benefit of a union, but only if they are kept in their place to their reason to be, rather than rule the [zb] country as I said last post.
However like you, I also work in a way to to suit ME , but maybe in a different way to you.
Your point about ‘the foriegners’ is quite valid, but to be fair it is too easy just to blame them for everything, but our own workforce share a lot, if not more of the responsibility in reality I reckon.
So hey!..keep it lit in your yoke, with the dealer boots V8 jacket, and all the other Tang stuff, and good luck with it. Seriously
I won’t insult your intelligence by saying it is only a matter of time before things go ■■■■ up and you are busted, I know you are fully aware of that, part of the attraction live dangerously and all that.
In some respects I do miss those days, but in others I deffo do not,… but to be fair DD, you can not just write off guys as lazy bastds or whatever, just because they do not share your enthusiasm for working around the clock.
Crack on mate.
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sure im always friendly…
theres a difference surely to working legal and getting on with the job and the steering wheel attendant type that is dumbing down the job working for the dumbing down the job type employers…ive had a cpl jobs that run legal but prob similar to yours,they just let you get on with it and leave you to your own devices and initiative…
oh…and i dont have super hamptons,a scania jacket or a check ben sherman…i cant abide the taste of red bull or similar,and have never needed any of the over the counter wakeup pills.
since horses and carts,then the job was more like a way of life than a normal job.would you not be bored to tears tramping 40 hours a week and parked up somewhere for the remaining time? not so bad abroad but theres not a lot of frivolity to be had when your cabbing it in the uk.
if they increased the hourly rate to £15 per hour,then theres still plenty who would want to max out same as now…as well as others who would want to do the bare minimum.
ive no beef with the indiginous population doing the double or getting what they can as the gov just give more and more to people newly in the country to the detriment of the original population anyway so i can see how a lot of folk would think…i wouldnt normaly do this,but their giving the money away elsewhere,so why not…they all know how to milk the system for every penny between renting accomodation between themselfs for inflated rent,and minimum hours false employment so that they can claim tax credits and work elsewhere…just a fact of life and a way of life that the goverment allows.
and…you never once during that last sermon referred to me as a prickend…i could be going in the huff shortly. 
robroy:
Winseer:
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…Thing is though your theory is a symptom of the situation, not the root cause.
Right I’ve read your ‘theory’ so now here are the FACTS as to why.
(I will try and avoid going into a Carryfast style btw.
)
The reason for every goddam problem in British industry, including ours, (and some would say especially ours when you consider the excessively long days and weekly hours in ratio to wage comparison to most other industries) is the drip feed eradication over the years of workers rights.Unions became pariahs among much of the general public after the Scargill Thatcher fiasco (still trying not to sound like a Carryfast post here btw so bear with me
The echelons of the Establishment as far up as the government, took full advantage of this new anti union feeling among ordinary people like us, brought about by dissatisfaction with the ridiculous levels of union power, which created a paradox, and started to put the squeeze on said people .
So now we are at the level we are, ok most of us get by, we aint gone as far as the Victorian workhouse days yet, but we are back to the pre Trade Union days, where governments actually and actively try and prevent any type of union (with a small ‘u’) and The Trade Unions have virtually no say or are unable to represent the working man/woman.
So again like pre industrial revolution days (ok maybe not as harsh) we have crap conditions, unscrupulous employers, dodgy holiday schemes, relatively poor pay, derisory pay structures like time and a quid after 60 hours, and all the rest of the stuff just handed back on a plate that our granfathers fought for.
People such as Mike Ashley love this fact.I won’t insult you with the ‘‘If we all stood together’’ chestnut, as there is an endemic backbone faliure in place somehow today.
Here endeth this mornings Social History lecture.
Sorry to bore the arse off everybody, but facts are better than theories.
This isn’t “Theory vs Fact” though, more “Subjective vs Objective”. “History” of past events, especially “Political History” is as much a theory, and the only facts to be had are “who lost”. It’s not even clear “Who won” if you think about it… Did Thatcher win out? - Nope, she was hated and is now dead. Did the management win? - Which management? Being a member of the NCB isn’t what it used to be.
I reckon there can only ever be theories into why we all ended up being losers out of events already done and dusted.
It takes a brave politician to try and break out of this rut that just has politics swinging right and left over the decades.
As for “Worker’s Rights” - At the end of the day - no one even has the right to a job. We’re not a communist state with a planned economy where one will be provided for you “as your right”.
The EU is trying to ape the old Soviet Union. “Rights” this, “Planned” that, “must not question, must not argue” the other. The difficulty that the EU now has is that if we pull the plug on Britain being part of the Cash Cow Triumvirate - who picks up the tab once we’re gone?
I’d like to say “Bugger Germany, let 'em pay themselves”. - So I shall. 
dieseldog999:
sure im always friendly…
theres a difference surely to working legal and getting on with the job and the steering wheel attendant type that is dumbing down the job working for the dumbing down the job type employers…ive had a cpl jobs that run legal but prob similar to yours,they just let you get on with it and leave you to your own devices and initiative…
oh…and i dont have super hamptons,a scania jacket or a check ben sherman…i cant abide the taste of red bull or similar,and have never needed any of the over the counter wakeup pills.
since horses and carts,then the job was more like a way of life than a normal job.would you not be bored to tears tramping 40 hours a week and parked up somewhere for the remaining time? not so bad abroad but theres not a lot of frivolity to be had when your cabbing it in the uk.
if they increased the hourly rate to £15 per hour,then theres still plenty who would want to max out same as now…as well as others who would want to do the bare minimum.
ive no beef with the indiginous population doing the double or getting what they can as the gov just give more and more to people newly in the country to the detriment of the original population anyway so i can see how a lot of folk would think…i wouldnt normaly do this,but their giving the money away elsewhere,so why not…they all know how to milk the systemfor every penny between renting accomodation between themselfs for inflated rent,and minimum hours false employment so that they can claim tax credits and work elsewhere…just a fact of life and a way of life that the goverment allows.
and…you never once during that last sermon referred to me as a prickend…i could be going in the huff shortly.
Agree with your point about the corporate ‘up their own arse firms’ who prefer the steering wheel attenants rather than drivers.
The 40 hour thing…I wasn’t advocating a 40 hour max week, although I reckon a 60 hour in 5 days is enough for anybody tbh, tramping or otherwise.
I have had jobs in the past where about Thurs pm after 40 hours, the rest of the week is paid at time and a half premium rate, aka ‘incentive’
I certainly do not get excited with the present system in my firm where you are on time plus about 50p after 50 hours (or in my case after 40, being that I have cut down to 4 days plus Sat am) this came about after we got a raise on our basic but the overtime rate stayed the same 
…how ■■■■ poor is that eh?
The 15 quid an hour you mention would be ok, if paid on 40 + time and a half, as opposed to same right through, but given that nobody represents us, (like a Union ) it will not happen in most cases.
Don’t believe for one second you don’t wear a Ben Sherman, And no V8 fitted jacket with the collar up?? 
Things have changed since I was last on the Stena Superfast.
Tang?? you sound more like a ‘‘prickend’’
Happy now■■? 
Re the above (im not going to quote), the way you end up working is always going to be who you drive for and where. From what i read on this forum alone is enough to not ever want to drive back in the UK but Re ‘wild west’ style and having no regard for the law i think DD’s comments (as mine are sometimes) a little tongue in cheek, if it was heavy pedal for the boat literally everywhere the points would soon rack up. Ill be the first to admit i bend things a little bit but i dont take the pish or drive dangerously and im sure DD doesnt either.
The drivers who choose to plob for Tescos and the like its horses for courses and each to their own but you take what goes with that job (with lots of rules/regs/H&S ect), theres too many that moan about hours/ conditions/ pay ect because they go in with eyes wide closed and dont look into the downsides before committing…
Don’t believe for one second you don’t wear a Ben Sherman, And no V8 fitted jacket with the collar up??
Things have changed since I was last on the Stena Superfast.
Tang?? you sound more like a ‘‘prickend’’
Happy now■■?
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thats better…no point inventing the 2017 buzzword and not adding it to every conversation possible…il be expecting to see it in wikipidia by next year.
dieseldog999:
and not adding it to every conversation possible…
along with the word “tang”
Winseer:
robroy:
Winseer:
Here’s a theory for you as to why such “sweatshops” are now proliferating…Thing is though your theory is a symptom of the situation, not the root cause.
Right I’ve read your ‘theory’ so now here are the FACTS as to why.
(I will try and avoid going into a Carryfast style btw.
)
The reason for every goddam problem in British industry, including ours, (and some would say especially ours when you consider the excessively long days and weekly hours in ratio to wage comparison to most other industries) is the drip feed eradication over the years of workers rights.Unions became pariahs among much of the general public after the Scargill Thatcher fiasco (still trying not to sound like a Carryfast post here btw so bear with me
The echelons of the Establishment as far up as the government, took full advantage of this new anti union feeling among ordinary people like us, brought about by dissatisfaction with the ridiculous levels of union power, which created a paradox, and started to put the squeeze on said people .
So now we are at the level we are, ok most of us get by, we aint gone as far as the Victorian workhouse days yet, but we are back to the pre Trade Union days, where governments actually and actively try and prevent any type of union (with a small ‘u’) and The Trade Unions have virtually no say or are unable to represent the working man/woman.
So again like pre industrial revolution days (ok maybe not as harsh) we have crap conditions, unscrupulous employers, dodgy holiday schemes, relatively poor pay, derisory pay structures like time and a quid after 60 hours, and all the rest of the stuff just handed back on a plate that our granfathers fought for.
People such as Mike Ashley love this fact.I won’t insult you with the ‘‘If we all stood together’’ chestnut, as there is an endemic backbone faliure in place somehow today.
Here endeth this mornings Social History lecture.
Sorry to bore the arse off everybody, but facts are better than theories.
This isn’t “Theory vs Fact” though, more “Subjective vs Objective”. “History” of past events, especially “Political History” is as much a theory, and the only facts to be had are “who lost”. It’s not even clear “Who won” if you think about it… Did Thatcher win out? - Nope, she was hated and is now dead. Did the management win? - Which management? Being a member of the NCB isn’t what it used to be.
I reckon there can only ever be theories into why we all ended up being losers out of events already done and dusted.
It takes a brave politician to try and break out of this rut that just has politics swinging right and left over the decades.
As for “Worker’s Rights” - At the end of the day - no one even has the right to a job. We’re not a communist state with a planned economy where one will be provided for you “as your right”.
The EU is trying to ape the old Soviet Union. “Rights” this, “Planned” that, “must not question, must not argue” the other. The difficulty that the EU now has is that if we pull the plug on Britain being part of the Cash Cow Triumvirate - who picks up the tab once we’re gone?I’d like to say “Bugger Germany, let 'em pay themselves”. - So I shall.
You two are juggling really are juggling with fire. You do know he’ll be along? This crap is like catnip to old Boyce in his jagwaaar
Mind you winseer you sounded like cartypast in your post.
James the cat:
dieseldog999:
and not adding it to every conversation possible…along with the word “tang”
well in my world over here is a well used word,theres still a few on here that have to ask now and then what a tang is…but for me,the one word of the future is…prickend…
until the autocensor kicks in.
You two are juggling really are juggling with fire. You do know he’ll be along? This crap is like catnip to old Boyce in his jagwaaar
Mind you winseer you sounded like cartypast in your post.
My deliberate leaving out of the word “Fed…” Oh bugger mustn’t say it.
I have not used or mis-used the world surreal either. Nor “sublime”.