The first sania I saw

Here’s a restored LV, photographed at a German show. The Frenchman who posted it on the internet (merci monsieur) says the cab is Dutch:

This lorry has the same cab as the two red ones and the two blue ones in Rush Green, but this is another one which sports what appears to be a genuine LB76 grille.

Suprising what comes to light !

Evening Gentlemen, heaven, its pouring with rain, just what we need. [ZB], I think that you must be right about Be-Ge, would be interested to learn more, as what you say would tie in with the outward looking stance of Scania, from really the mid fifties. (South America, Holland Zwole, etc). Regarding the “odd” screen example, yes Hugglund did produce bus bodies with similar windscreens, but so did we at Saviem on some of the very early SC models, and that integral van of Gorettes, (taken me all day to remember the name, I`m getting old)! was certainly bodied by Veth&Zn, Ven Rijswijk, so perhaps the complete assembly was a “bought in” item. Andrew, (Pete359), you are right, the Krupp screen is very similar, so we have four matches , Van Hool, Be-Ge, Krupp, and possibly Mercedes, so someone had a volume order for windscreens, did they all pay the same price?? Belgium was a fascinating market in the 70s, everyone was , or had been there. Near my digs in Antwerp was an operator with a beautiful coachbuilt sleeper cab Foden, fitted with an 8LW Gardner. There were still a few Brossels with Leyland, (both their parent and executioner), diesels, Krupp Atkinsons, Willemes, with AEC and Detroit as well as their own engines, Hanomags, Bussings, and I regularly used to see a smart fleet of 8x4 half cab Foden concrete mixers, plus copius quantities of Bedfords. I remember lots of L &LS Scanias, but I do not remember the LV! Oh, and those ugly DAFs, but a lot wore smart coachbuilt cabs by Cottard, and Pelpel. Incidentally, Cottard supplied a trial cab to Mack, made a really handsome lorry, but Mack ended up using the Motor Panels cab,and gave it a front panel that made it possibly the ugliest lorry ever sold, (and they sold a few), in Europe! Are those LVs still at Rush Green, I presume the mechanics were as the L & LS. Bubbs picture of the W&M Wood 76 reminded me of my friend John Ball who drove a 76 for them, and I think bought one off them to start on M/E, around 72ish. Was it Cy Gran who ran Woods, or was that Incotrans, and do I recollect something about Chinese hair, for Nigerian dreadlocks? Funny how the old memories flow is it not. Very smart 76s were those of J&H from Peckham, and the really smart ones from John and Vivian Davies, Gorsinon. Ah well, I think that I shall retire, and study the world through a nice bottle of chilled Bollinger, and see where my memory takes me, Cheerio for now mes amis.

Well done Bill, another one captured for the Trucket history lesson!

There used to be a column in one of the comics called “Cab Rank,” where the author would go through the various types of shed fitted to the British motors of the 50s and 60s. This is much more fun, partly because these foreign vehicles are a novelty to us Brits and partly because they seem to be better lorries- those two yellow tractors look really impressive, especially for the era (pre-1963). The space in the cab and the elevated driving position would have seemed out of this world to drivers of typical UK motors of the time. One would expect the intrusion of the engine hump to be minimal, and noise levels to be lower as a result. I bet the air filter housing was not fitted next to the driver’s ear, as it was in some Guys (it said that somewhere else on the forum). A gold star for the poster who puts up interior shots of an LV.

The cab on those fabulous yellow lorries was the work of a coachbuilder called Roset, I think. I superimposed an LB110 over it and they are about the same size, although at a casual glance, that LV looks almost as tall as a Transcon. Here’s another one:

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The drawbar outfit in the upper photo (which is a Volvo, according to its badge!) has a similar 'screen assembly to the (assumed) Hagglund-cabbed vehicle, although it is not the same- the quarter and “under” lights are a different shape. I guess it would not be difficult to produce small numbers of any variation on such an arrangement, given that the glasses are flat. Incidentally, I have found another, identical, photo of the Hagglund(?) tractor and the poster says it was built in 1960.

Hello Mr. Saviem, you beat me to the post. Regarding the 'screen shapes on the Be-Ge/Van Hool/none of the above -cabbed LVs, I have had a look at the Krupp and Mercedes cabs and think the Merc 'screen is an almost exact match, albeit mounted more vertically on the Scania-Vabis. The Krupp 'screen seems to have more of a “wrap-around” shape where it meets the A-post. What do you reckon?

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Those cabs with LB76 grilles may have been on chassis built after the LB76 was launched. This would not be unusual, since some operators may have preferred cabs from their chosen coachbuilder, to the factory ones. The cabs we have seen certainly looked very well built and were a bit bigger than the LB (Mercedes, for example ,was still fitting some coachbuilt cabs after it introduced its own forward-control cab in 1955. There is a lovely 1957 Kassbohrer-cabbed example on the show circuit in Germany; I would post a pic of it but we’ve already had three non-Scania wagons on the thread today!). Of course, no 75 chassis would have been built after '63, so would that make these vehicles LV76s? The owner of the restored Setz-liveried blue rigid may be able to help here. I wonder if he posts on any forums? I’ll have a look.

Frankie Flintstone:

ramone:

Frankie Flintstone:
First Scania 110 I drove was MKW 421G for Leather Chemical Co out of St Helens, shortly after I drove NAK 715H for same company, the units were supplied by B & W Motors of Wolverhampton on a one year lease, at the end of the lease the returned to B & W who sold them on to a Midland company called Foulkes, I hope the spelling for Foulkes is correct

The first Scania 140 I ever saw was a LHD one for an owner driver from Todmorden Eric Isherwood who traded as Britannia transport running a tanker and I was always led to believe that this was the first 140 in Britain it may not have been so but it was quite early and was supplied by B & W from the new depot at HYDE.

NAK i think was a Bradford registration (i`m sure Chris Webb will know) but Leathers were also in Bradford ,i remember Colin Connolly having a 110 dont know the registration though he also had a V8 Mandator before that for Leathers at Bradford

I knew Colin very well he left to set up on his own, I think he moved to Spain to live but not sure.

Yeah i heard he moved to Spain just outside Benidorm somewhere,he started with a Saviem then 2 F88s he got shut of the Saviem and bought an ERF he was in partnership with a bloke nicknamed Hoss i think they traded as C and A transport.Then he went solo with a DAF which he parked in Renwicks yard that went up in smoke 1 bonfire night he got another DAF 3300■■? i think ,then swapped that for his last motor a brand new and very smart mettalic green 6 wheeler Foden with a big cat engine i think it was a 450 on for Gee Bees pop


It lives in this museum in Switzerland:
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Google Setz Museum; there are other sets of photos of the exhibits- lots of lovely old lorries (and some c*rs). Unfortunately, it seems that it is not open to the public, but they do cater for parties by prior arrangement. Anyone fancy a trip?

LB76:
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I can rember these when i worked for buitelaar,s in 1968, ex the dutch fleet but they came with out there draw bar trailer,s.By hell they were heavy ■■■■■■ at 18 ton empty with there frdge body on,but by hell they were insanely fast as i can rember,But so was all buitelaar fleet,Can any body rember the two a e c mogul and draw bar trailer,s that where on the livestock sider eg number if i rember right ODO152 /ODO153,If anybody has any photo,s of any of these or the other buitelaar wagon & drags i would love to see them please

swampygist:

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I can rember these when i worked for buitelaar,s in 1968, ex the dutch fleet but they came with out there draw bar trailer,s.By hell they were heavy [zb] at 18 ton empty with there frdge body on,but by hell they were insanely fast as i can rember,But so was all buitelaar fleet,Can any body rember the two a e c mogul and draw bar trailer,s that where on the livestock sider eg number if i rember right ODO152 /ODO153,If anybody has any photo,s of any of these or the other buitelaar wagon & drags i would love to see them please

Hi swampy. There’s a Buitelaar site on the web, but the only lorries on it are moderns. Did you get to drive the LV75s? What were they like?

An old bonneted L 76 pictured in Germany.

All these pictures of old Scania’s are wonderful. The 440 highline i drive today just pales into insignificance compared to them.

rab-c123:
All these pictures of old Scania’s are wonderful. The 440 highline i drive today just pales into insignificance compared to them.

But I bet the windscreen wipers are better than the old ones. My first 110 the 3 wipers used to fight each other. :laughing:

Mine too Harry, and the motors used to melt quite often!


Doodle. :smiley:

LB76:
Mine too Harry, and the motors used to melt quite often!

The wiper motors were not up to the job,Bill.

LB76:
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I think it was the fibre washer that broke all the time, and the wipers on the older LB76 were not so good either mine went all funny on me on the way home from Portugal and the only way to get them to work as to keep switching them on and off, my hand was red raw time i got back!