The first sania I saw

Going back further, some LV75s I found on the wonderful archive that is the internet.

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Big cabs were not a new thing when the LB110 was launched, if these late 50s/early 60s efforts of Belgian and Dutch (and other?) coachbuilders are anything to go by. I wonder if Mr. Sherrow got his inspiration for the 110’s grille from that last one? I daresay he was not over-enamoured with the 'screen arrangement! The LV75 has its own Facebook page, oddly enough. At least it did the last time I looked.

Did anyone ever “meet” an LV in the flesh, possibly on travels over the water?

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the first scania i saw that i can remember was in 1980 i were a 6 years old it were 141 demo model that i saw at smurfit alders paper mill tamworth

LV75? Never even knew such a lorry existed…until I saw those pics.

hi all,
i never knew,or had seen a picture of an lv75 :blush: a google image search found this photo,would that be heston?

Dont know if they were 75s but Rush green had some square like coach built type one in there for a long time

I think those were ex Buitelaar from Boston i’ve got some pics of those somewhere

Hiya …CRS transport sandbach had a early 110 daycab in may have been on a G plate
it was painted at Jennings of sandbach (cab and coach builders)
John

Hello,just one pic at a time seems to be all I can get up at the minute lads,heres another 76 :smiley:

Cheers Bubbs, :wink:

Another. :smiley:

Cheers Bubbs, :wink:

LB76:
I think those were ex Buitelaar from Boston i’ve got some pics of those somewhere

Used to load out of Buites Boston for Algeria.

mrken:
Hi Steve
That was Robert and that was the old one we had at Bloomfields TUR 9E there was also a Greg one as well

hi ken,
there’s a picture of it here cant get it up though(if you know what i mean)
i was 24 when i had it and i could split shift it with two hands :laughing:

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steve.


That is the first British registered LV I have seen, making this post appropriate to the original thread title (if photographs count)! Great stuff. It is on the D plate (1966), suggesting that it was imported secondhand, since the LB76 was launched in '63.

These are from the same coachbuilder as the red rigid above- they must have been well-equipped and very skilled to make that cab, with all steel panels. I thought (incorrectly) that coachbuilders used to use fibreglass to make the more heavily-formed panels, but look at the upper front panel and roof- I know that you can put compound curves into sheet with a wheeling machine, but the corners of the panels suggest that some rudimentary press tooling was used. Surprising, since they cannot have built a great number of cabs, given that there were quite a few coachbuilders doing LV cabs. What a shame such fine workmanship was left to rot.

I reckon the rear quarterlights are from an F86 and the 'screen may be from a round-cab Merc LP, although I am not sure. The cab shares some similarities with this one which, I would wager, does have a 'glass front panel and wheelarches:

That looks like a prancing horse motif on the grille- was that not the logo of the Belgian coachbuilder, Jonckheere, or was it Van Hool? Other members may be better informed.

Great photos Bill. Made my day, almost!

Hello again,another 76,this one from W&M Wood

Cheers Bubbs, :wink:

Hello Gentlemen, nice bit of rain eh? Sad this thread is stopping, [ZB]s LV75 pictures came as a surprise to this non Scania man, and Bills (LB76),Rush Green photographs, well the depth of knowledge of the contributors is a real joy. That cab, it set me thinking, early 60s most manufacturers would produce a chassis for sale, cab coachwork being the responsibility of the selling agent. The photographs depict Dutch operators vehicles, and I know at the time, early 60s, the cab over engine design would give around 7cubic meters extra space for payload, over the conventional design, of the L75, or LS75, ( and we all appreciate what short arms and deep pockets the Dutch have)! So who produced these cabs? The pressed curves are reminicent of the cabs produced by Emil Frey AG, of Safenwil Switzerland, or Desoil, the French Coachbuilder, from Aulney la Valenciennes in the 60s. There is a similarity to the limited number from Facel Metallon, Eure et Loire, better known for the most exclusive of motor cars the Facel Vega. [ZB], must be on the right track with a Belgian coachbuilder, but which one? Jonkheere from West Flanders? they had produced commercial bodywork, as well as bus and coach bodies, but when you look closely at the red rigid, and the first photograph, the curves, front windscreen, and front panel and lights are similar, if not identical to the early 60s coach fronts from Bernard Van Hools Lier works. They had the press tools, and experience of working with alloy, steel and fibreglass. But if they were produced by Van Hool, there is an interesting commercial point. Since 1957 Van Hool had worked almost exclusively with Fiat, who supplied engines and running gear for VHs coaches, to the exclusion of other makes. This entente lasted untill 1981. So did De Beers “twist” Van Hools arm to produce these cabs on a limited basis, or was there a volume order for the Dutch market? and if so how many, and why does it appear that so little is known of the LV75? The bottom picture of the Van Brul artic, that protruding windscreen, when I was sent to our Antwerp branch in 1974 I used to regularly see a Saviem JL19 integral box van fitted with an identical front end, and operated by a Dutch furniture manufacturer, (whose name will just not come), blue and white, with very distinctive signwriting. The bodywork was by Veth , Ven Rijswijk, if I remember correctly, so did they build some cabs, or was the windscreen assembly a propriatory bought in component. Interesting is it not? Wonder how many markets the LV appeared in? To my knowledge the Samyns family only imported the L&LS conventionals into France, prior to the LB76 in 1963. (and they sold very, very well)! Incidentaly, the Vabis symbol, the bicycle pedal crank was dropped in 1968, along with the Scania Vabis name, following a long battle with Mercedes Benz, who claimed that the Vabis symbol was confused with the three pointed star! The sole name Scania was then adopted along with the Griffin head. It would be nice if a real Scania historian could “flesh out” the background would it not? Cheerio for now.

So did an LV ever make it to Britain, or was the LB76 the first Scania (Vabis) we had :question: ETA: just seen the pics on previous page of the one at Rush Green :blush:

Saviem/ ■■■■ anorak, as you’re probably well aware, the windscreen and door frames are the biggest (most expensive) things to engineer on a lorry cab, as has been said, the panels appear pressed, so they would’ve been bought in and the rest of the cab moulded around those parts.

hi all,
that lv 75 to me looks similar to a krupp from the same era.amazed to see a uk registered one still at rush green :sunglasses:
regards andrew.

Great stuff Mr. Saviem. I read on a thread somewhere (God knows where; I must be more disciplined in future- this machine is, after all, a telly attached to a typewriter attached to a filing cabinet. You would have thought a man could keep things in it and not lose them) that the LV was developed in the Netherlands and that there were up to a dozen or so coachbuilders fitting their cabs to them. In that way, in the fifties, I guess Scania-Vabis were similar to AEC or other British chassis builders. Imagine driving the uncabbed chassis from Sodertalje to the Low Countries in the winter! Maybe they went by boat from Stockholm to Rotterdam?

Have you noticed that the grilles on some of the LVs are similar in style to the later, factory-built LB76? The one below is almost identical, if not the same component:

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This suggests that the factory worked quite closely with at least one of the coachbuilders (or that the above lorry was built after the LB76 was launched), perhaps leading to some sort of agreement to present a common, recognisable style. According to the book “Scania and its vehicles, 1891-1991,” by Bjorn-Eric Lindh, Swedish coachbuilder Be-Ge Karosserifabrik was the leading supplier of cabs to Scania after the War and it had a Dutch subsidiary. It was taken over by Scania-Vabis in 1966, coinciding with the introduction of all-steel cabs on the bonneted Scanias.

The one with the six-piece 'screen has a grille which looks a bit like those on those Scania-Vabis buses which were bodied by Hagglund in the 1950s.

ramone:

Frankie Flintstone:
First Scania 110 I drove was MKW 421G for Leather Chemical Co out of St Helens, shortly after I drove NAK 715H for same company, the units were supplied by B & W Motors of Wolverhampton on a one year lease, at the end of the lease the returned to B & W who sold them on to a Midland company called Foulkes, I hope the spelling for Foulkes is correct

The first Scania 140 I ever saw was a LHD one for an owner driver from Todmorden Eric Isherwood who traded as Britannia transport running a tanker and I was always led to believe that this was the first 140 in Britain it may not have been so but it was quite early and was supplied by B & W from the new depot at HYDE.

NAK i think was a Bradford registration (i`m sure Chris Webb will know) but Leathers were also in Bradford ,i remember Colin Connolly having a 110 dont know the registration though he also had a V8 Mandator before that for Leathers at Bradford

I knew Colin very well he left to set up on his own, I think he moved to Spain to live but not sure.