milodon:
OVLOV JAY:
youtu.be/CoyM-g1DS4U
Give that a watch while you’re licking your wounds
Nah, couldn’t be bothered, considering it has naff all to do with me. I’m just observing human nature at work. Whereas you should be happy over the outcome, the prevalent emotion in the leave ranks seems to be hatred and content towards the remain camp. People have a right to their opinion and when the sun rises on the great British Empire, you still have to live with thy neighbour, nevermind their political stance.
Happy independence, I hope it’s all you wished for! 
I think you’ve selectively missed the bit about the remainers carrying on in the media and in office as though they won it.Together with whingeing about the result by the usual suspects and calls for the vote to be overturned because the margin is supposedly too small.
Happy independence ( more like leaving a scam in which we are ripped off and ruled by zb’s like Juncker ) will only obviously be happy independence if/when the vote to Leave is actually implemented.No surprise there’s no sign of that happening any time soon.
You sure are the life of a party, aren’t ya 
I actually do think that running your fists after the fight is a bit far-fetched, there was a vote, so get on with it.
Carryfast:
Happy independence ( more like leaving a scam in which we are ripped off and ruled by zb’s like Juncker ) will only obviously be happy independence if/when the vote to Leave is actually implemented.No surprise there’s no sign of that happening any time soon.
Looks like we are going to have to wait until at least late September when they will decide on a new tory prime-minister at their annual conference, she/he will consider the vote for 3 seconds, conclude it was no more than advisory, thank the public and continue as though it had never occurred.
Yep, there is nothing under law or constitution that requires this vote to be acted upon, it is technically just ‘advisory’
OVLOV JAY:
Nobody believed the £350 million a week would be spent on the nhs. To say leave voters were stupid and threw away their vote on that, or to say if you’re not a thick voter you’re a racist voter, shows the arrogance of most remain voters
Of course the remain supporter featured at about the 20-25 minute mark really makes the eyes roll.
bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gctff
SNP member voted to leave because it was a Westminster plan and he realy wanted to reject the Westminster plan.
Resistance of the result - is what’s causing most of the damage right now.
It’s even possible that Brexit would have won with a decent majority - had it not been for the nutcase who blew away Jo Cox a week earlier. It appalls me how the Remain camp have let the full effect of that “act of a madman” narrow the result to “too close to call” on Referendum Day. By staying silent - they effectively accused the killer of being “set up by the Brexit camp” in a similar way that Putin was accused of shooting down MH17 when it was obviously in favour of the Kiev ‘Borgias’ to “make this evil play” before the world stage.
In my mind, it would have been better for the campaigns of both arguments - to push for it being a compulsory vote with “can’t be arsed” being treated as a “vote for status quo” even. I reckon that would have got the “missing 28%” worked up enough to tip one side fully one way or the other - and not necessarily for Remain either, as people don’t like being “forced” to vote, especially in the bad weather of Thursday as it was.
It’s not just the Australian immigration Points System we need then - it’s the Australian Compulsory Vote as well!
It won’t be much longer until we start saying G’dday at the office at this rate. 
Winseer:
Resistance of the result - is what’s causing most of the damage right now.
Nonsense. The complete lack of a plan and power vacuum caused by inevitable Cameron exit is what is causing the damage.
The dithering because even the Brexiters didn’t think it’d happen is what is making us look ridiculous in the world’s eyes
I am only pleased it didn’t go to Remain by 52%. In that case we’d have all the swivel eyed loons out in the streets with pitchforks claiming the result had been rigged, led by Carryfast at the front with his tinfoil crown on.
Winseer:
It’s not just the Australian immigration Points System we need then - it’s the Australian Compulsory Vote as well!
It won’t be much longer until we start saying G’dday at the office at this rate.
To be honest I suspect that many politicians would prefer to not have the inconvenience of the populace voting. That certainly is the case at the top of the EU IMO, and why I voted out. The way the whole campaign was conducted has not reflected well on the body politic in this country with threats that amount to bulling and stirring up of hatred, promises that have been suddenly withdrawn and lying point blank (both sides). I truly think these people regard anyone with a different view to theirs as week and easily bullied or bigots/racist/xenophobic morons.
Why shouldn’t we have a mechanism to hold them to account?
From where I’m sitting, I reckon they could do just that. I don’t know how its possible but the mere fact that its been put forward is worrying.
King Edward I said, on handing control of Scotland to a Lieutenant that “a man does good business when he gets rid of a turd.” That rings true today. Let that vile Sturgeon thing go crying to stay in the EU.
OVLOV JAY:
Only the prime minister can invoke article 50.
Correct; and as Cameron is now a lame duck PM he doesn’t have the ability to make the call. Whether Cameron’s played a blinder or just walked away before the sh hits the fan I don’t know but nothing can now happen until a new PM is installed, and that won’t happen until the Conservative Party conference in October - which in my mind is a good thing.
The EU apparatchiks are desperate to get rid of the UK for two main reasons - contagion and a weak PM who is sympathetic to the EU cause . . . apparently. Negotiations with Cameron would be so much easier for the EU as he would bow down as easily as he did when he negotiated for the so called ‘concessions’ he brought back to us. But by resigning he cannot conduct these talks with any kind of credibility knowing that the new PM would refuse to accept the terms and throw them out and we’re back to square one. Also, cunningly, no one else can call for a vote of no confidence in him, nor a general election. A party leadership contest will ensue which will bring about a euroskeptic leader and PM who will then have the backing of his party membership, and the backing of the people through the referendum, to forge ahead with policies for the removal of the UK from the EU.
The EU’s desperation is to get the negotiations under way before this happens. Their problem is that until the UK invokes Article 50 the UK is in charge of proceedings - and nothing can change that. Once Article 50 is invoked the EU then has the upper hand in procedure, if not negotiation. Having all the policies ready before invoking Article 50 is therefore paramount.
The EU is terrified that other countries will go down the same route as the UK and yesterday a meeting was held in Brussels between the original six members to produce a document which will, in effect, make it nigh on impossible for member states to have a referendum with the same t’s and c’s as the UK. In effect the EU will change from being a membership club of 27 countries into a prison. A further meeting is to take place on Wednesday with all the other 27 nations except the UK to press this policy forward. Should be an interesting meeting with Sweden, Denmark, Hungary and Austria having made it clear that they are seeking ‘assurances’ and the people of The Netherlands in uproar about the way they were treated following their recent referendum which voted to repeal the application of the Ukraine which was summarily dismissed by both the Netherlands government and the EU.
The French Presidential elections and the German Federal elections are due next year with neither of the incumbents looking good. The Spanish GE is today, six months after the inconclusive result which brought stalemate.
Looooo:
Winseer:
Resistance of the result - is what’s causing most of the damage right now.
Nonsense. The complete lack of a plan and power vacuum caused by inevitable Cameron exit is what is causing the damage.
The dithering because even the Brexiters didn’t think it’d happen is what is making us look ridiculous in the world’s eyes
I am only pleased it didn’t go to Remain by 52%. In that case we’d have all the swivel eyed loons out in the streets with pitchforks claiming the result had been rigged, led by Carryfast at the front with his tinfoil crown on.
It wouldn’t have made any difference whether it was rigged or not.The real issue in the case of a remain win being that no one has the right to vote the country out of existence.While swivel eyed loons don’t come much more swivel eyed than the closet Communists and Bolsheviks who form the EU zb pile.
On that note it’s a clash of ideologies in which luckily the out vote has given everyone an amicable way out.But the zb remainers obviously want to continue the fight by not being prepared to accept the vote.
As for the post referendum situation it’s obvious that we’ve got an ideologically Federalist crippled Con government that obviously never had any intention of leaving the EU project.Because if they had Cameron would now already be gone and we’d be out of the thing ASAP.
Radar19:
Uh oh.
Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could refuse Brexit consent - BBC News
Sky have just interviewed a top barrister and he said… “Scotland cannot veto brexit in fact Sturgeon has overreached herself in saying so as Parliament overrides Holyrood in this case”
moomooland:
Radar19:
Uh oh.
Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could refuse Brexit consent - BBC News
Sky have just interviewed a top barrister and he said… “Scotland cannot veto brexit in fact Sturgeon has overreached herself in saying so as Parliament overrides Holyrood in this case”
And as far as I’m aware she has to ask the British PM for permission to hold another referendum!
I can’t see Dodgy Dave being interested in answering that, and guess he will just say that is a question for his replacement…
moomooland:
Radar19:
Uh oh.
Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could refuse Brexit consent - BBC News
Sky have just interviewed a top barrister and he said… “Scotland cannot veto brexit in fact Sturgeon has overreached herself in saying so as Parliament overrides Holyrood in this case”
Send that Jimmy Krankie impersonator the same way as William Wallace.
Evil8Beezle:
moomooland:
“Scotland cannot veto brexit in fact Sturgeon has overreached herself in saying so as Parliament overrides Holyrood in this case”
And as far as I’m aware she has to ask the British PM for permission to hold another referendum!
I can’t see Dodgy Dave being interesting in answering that, and guess he will just say that is a question for his replacement…
And this is one of the reasons why I think Cameron has received some bloody good advice. Anything like this his standard reply is nowt to do with me, see the next guy: And this buys the next guy, and the Conservative party, three months grace in which to sort their house out whilst Labour rip themselves to bits - as usual.
Looooo:
Winseer:
Resistance of the result - is what’s causing most of the damage right now.
Nonsense. The complete lack of a plan and power vacuum caused by inevitable Cameron exit is what is causing the damage.
The dithering because even the Brexiters didn’t think it’d happen is what is making us look ridiculous in the world’s eyes
I am only pleased it didn’t go to Remain by 52%. In that case we’d have all the swivel eyed loons out in the streets with pitchforks claiming the result had been rigged, led by Carryfast at the front with his tinfoil crown on.
I agree the Cameron resignation has a lot to do with it as well - but it’s just one of many factors.
Cameron should either have stayed, or resigned straight away. Giving three months bloody notice just chucks a hand grenade into the house of commons as it stands.
The Tories don’t have the leader they need to implement Brexit quickly - and thus we must ALL now suffer the downsides of Brexit - with none of the upsides realizeable until we’ve got it all sorted out.
If Boris has got any sense, he’ll hand over power to Theresa May for coronation instead of himself, and ask Osbourne to disappear from number 11 - a job that Boris should probably do for himself.
Theresa May as PM should placate the remainers, Osbourne being gone should placate the brexiteers, and Boris being subservient to it all - should placate everyone else.
I’m thinking “any attempt to do it the other way around” is probably going to fall flat, and then start up a lengthy leadership contest that won’t be resolved in time to prevent further downsides to the economy during the now “extended period of uncertainty”. 
Evil8Beezle:
moomooland:
Radar19:
Uh oh.
Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could refuse Brexit consent - BBC News
Sky have just interviewed a top barrister and he said… “Scotland cannot veto brexit in fact Sturgeon has overreached herself in saying so as Parliament overrides Holyrood in this case”
And as far as I’m aware she has to ask the British PM for permission to hold another referendum!
I can’t see Dodgy Dave being interested in answering that, and guess he will just say that is a question for his replacement…
IF the Tories pick “the wrong replacement” - they’ll face Labour teaming up with Krankie with Boris and UKIP out with the washing for the last time.
“We need more investment” then turns into “How do we borrow $hitloads of money when the long gilt bond market is collapsing?”
It’s going to take Sturgeon being proven as “ineffective at raising cash” - before she will be removed as “just another politician who can’t deliver on her money promises”. 
