the nodding donkey:
You’ll have a choice of conservatives, who will sell you and what ever is left that is not bolted down, to foreigners and their mates. Or labour. Old labour took charge of a broke and broken country after the war, and gave it the NHS. The tories have sold everything to China, and are now eying up the NHS.
If our government do happen to do things I don’t like, at least i’ll be able to vote them out at the next general election.
No such course of democracy exists with the European Parliament. Nobody really knows who many of the big guns running the show in Brussels are & we can’t vote them out!
Daytrunker:
Also the guy next door’s nephew sells cars last week had a Romanian bloke turn up put a deposit on a car next day turn up with a cheque from …you guessed it the DSS he said they give me money for car to look for job,it was for £2750 now how does that work? Really? So have always worked and claimed nowt and he been here 8 weeks and gets that?.
Vote out and get our country back our land our laws,don’t get me started on the dirty smelly goat humpers.
Can you show where the proof is that any of that is going to change if a leave vote is the result? And where it says that immigration will be curbed to only those deemed worthy?
I keep hearing that this is peoples reason for a leave vote but I cant see anything that tells me itll happen if we do leave.
the nodding donkey:
Evil, don’t forget that whilst you drive a comfortable truck, and earn enough money to take your missus for a slap up harvester on a Sunday, to your government you are still just a serf. And you are going to vote to tell them that you are happy for them to return to those good old English times of forelock tugging poverty.
So you suggest we stay and get ever more swamped with cheap labour and associated stresses on our infrastructure?
I’ll take my chances thanks…
I’m guessing it may not be pretty in the short term, but there will be a transition and it’s up to us to go through that for the benefit of our future generations. Hang on, I don’t have kids? 
I’m still voting out! 
Daytrunker:
I’m voting Out for a few reasons firstly I’m English and proud of it.
My great grandad was gassed at the somme and spent 12 months in hospital for this country and will stand stuffing if I let him down by voting to stay,The Empire ruled half the world on its own before and to think the Government is scared of 1 short arse German bint to stand up for itself when millions of brave boys and girls in the 2 wars went months on end of being shot and killed for nothing makes my blood boil.
Also the guy next door’s nephew sells cars last week had a Romanian bloke turn up put a deposit on a car next day turn up with a cheque from …you guessed it the DSS he said they give me money for car to look for job,it was for £2750 now how does that work? Really? So have always worked and claimed nowt and he been here 8 weeks and gets that?.
Vote out and get our country back our land our laws,don’t get me started on the dirty smelly goat humpers.Ask the relatives of Paris and Brussels attacks how they feel about a together more peacefully better europe Mr dodgy dave
The Empire ruled the world when ships had sails. And the natives had spears. This country has not been an independent country for over a hundred years.
Darkside:
Long way in truck though Einstein…
It doesn’t matter how far it is when the Turks and Romanians are driving all the trucks when Cameron fast tracks Turkish membership and lifts the cabotage restrictions Bohr.
Evil8Beezle:
the nodding donkey:
Evil, don’t forget that whilst you drive a comfortable truck, and earn enough money to take your missus for a slap up harvester on a Sunday, to your government you are still just a serf. And you are going to vote to tell them that you are happy for them to return to those good old English times of forelock tugging poverty.
So you suggest we stay and get ever more swamped with cheap labour and associated stresses on our infrastructure?
I’ll take my chances thanks…
I’m guessing it may not be pretty in the short term, but there will be a transition and it’s up to us to go through that for the benefit of our future generations. Hang on, I don’t have kids?
I’m still voting out!
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
I’m voting “Leave”, as far as I’m concerned it’s not about jobs economics or immigration, although those things are obviously important, it’s about democracy and that’s not for sale.
Furthermore, if we stay in the EU and Camerons reforms are not ratified in full, and I don’t think they will be, we should demand another referendum.
Looooo:
Remain.
Isolationism is not the way the world needs to go, now or ever.
America is verging on that dangerous path.
Without collaboration you get factionalism. Factions disagree and fall out.
I’d rather a peaceful United Europe than what our previous generations lived through.
It is all very well to stand up for your countries “rights”, but within a framework of cooperation.
NTSA.I think you’ll find every European war in recent history and plenty before have been about the defence/secession of the Nation State from Federal expansion/takeover/aggression and pushing Islam out of Europe.Sorry if it doesn’t fit the bs Socialist script.
If you really want ‘co operation’ what’s wrong with a Confederal Europe which is based on co operation by consent,in the form of local democracy.Within the accepted frame work of the sovereignty of the Nation State.Not foreign Socialist Federalist dictatorship and imposition.Oh no that doesn’t fit in with Altieri Spinelli’s founding Communist ideal for the EU. 
the nodding donkey:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
How can you quote living standards from times gone by? They are simply not relevant…
As for not getting it, we have a far better chance of dictating to our lying scum politicians if we only have them to deal with, and not the ones in Brussels as well!
Carryfast:
Looooo:
Remain.
Isolationism is not the way the world needs to go, now or ever.
America is verging on that dangerous path.
Without collaboration you get factionalism. Factions disagree and fall out.
I’d rather a peaceful United Europe than what our previous generations lived through.
It is all very well to stand up for your countries “rights”, but within a framework of cooperation.
NTSA.I think you’ll find every European war in recent history and plenty before have been about the defence/secession of the Nation State from Federal expansion/takeover/aggression and pushing Islam out of Europe.Sorry if it doesn’t fit the bs Socialist script.
If you really want ‘co operation’ what’s wrong with a Confederal Europe which is based on co operation by consent,in the form of local democracy.Within the accepted frame work of the sovereignty of the Nation State.Not foreign Socialist Federalist dictatorship and imposition.Oh no that doesn’t fit in with Altieri Spinelli’s founding Communist ideal for the EU.
No mate. It’s because the people are sick to the back teeth of pretentious waffling pseudo intellectuals, giving it large with a string of pseudo big words, to try and impress how cleverer (sic) they are. Why don’t you go and see your comrade Russel, and pontificate off into the sunset?
the nodding donkey:
albion:
Looooo:
Remain.
Isolationism is not the way the world needs to go, now or ever.
America is verging on that dangerous path.
Without collaboration you get factionalism. Factions disagree and fall out.
I’d rather a peaceful United Europe than what our previous generations lived through.
It is all very well to stand up for your countries “rights”, but within a framework of cooperation.
Personally, I don’t think it’s isolationism. It actually removes some of the restrictions that prevent us negotiating with major non EU countries. It allows to collaborate globally in a way we can’t now. I expect we would still trade as much with Europe as ever, so to me it’s anything but isolationism.
I also think that the peace we have had owes far more to NATO than the EU.
As ever all this is an opinion, very little any of us say is hard fact.
Someone told me that voting leave made me a quitter; well I quit my job once and built a business. Perhaps part of how you intend to vote is related to the individuals appetite for risk.
But what do we export, to the rest of the world? In large enough quantities to sustain the economy? This country became rich of coal and wool. Then invested that money in building an empire, taking other countries wealth by force…
Dunno, but apparently if we leave we won’t be able to sell whatever it is we sell now to the EU, so that should leave quite a lot.
the nodding donkey:
The danger is Russia, and the former East bloc countries. They will be abandoned by western Europe, and fall under the influence of Russia once more. A volatile military situation will develop was again, aided by Britain and America, because the arms industry is one of the last industries this island has left…
Feel free to tell us how you intend to defeat Russia.The only way to sort out Russia is by Mutually Assured Nuclear Destruction.Do you want to end the world for Eastern Europe.If so what’s changed between now and when Churchill and Roosevelt decided to cut them loose to prevent WW3.
Strange how the Federalists preach peace in Europe but then want to kick off WW3 with Russia.When they should be negotiating with Russia to de militarise the East Euro buffer states.
Evil8Beezle:
the nodding donkey:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
How can you quote living standards from times gone by? They are simply not relevant…
As for not getting it, we have a far better chance of dictating to our lying scum politicians if we only have them to deal with, and not the ones in Brussels as well!
Your track record of telling your government has not been impressive since 1978…
the nodding donkey:
But what do we export, to the rest of the world? In large enough quantities to sustain the economy?
So how does our massive trade deficit with the EU help in that regard.
the nodding donkey:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
But that’s illogical. Working conditions improved immeasurably since even the latest of those dates, 1926. And before we joined the EU. The UK has better holiday allowance, far better maternity leave an d pay, IIRC the instigator for a NMW, those aren’t going to just disappear.
the nodding donkey:
Evil8Beezle:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
How can you quote living standards from times gone by? They are simply not relevant…
As for not getting it, we have a far better chance of dictating to our lying scum politicians if we only have them to deal with, and not the ones in Brussels as well!
Why 1748 not 1960-1972.Oh wait stronger unions,higher employment,higher economic growth,trade surplus with Europe,the pound worth more and democratic control over our own government.As opposed to today.
the nodding donkey:
Evil8Beezle:
the nodding donkey:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
How can you quote living standards from times gone by? They are simply not relevant…
As for not getting it, we have a far better chance of dictating to our lying scum politicians if we only have them to deal with, and not the ones in Brussels as well!
Your track record of telling your government has not been impressive since 1978…
And staying in will do what?
Sounds like you’ve dropped your trousers bent over and are waiting for Dipper to pop up! 
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
The danger is Russia, and the former East bloc countries. They will be abandoned by western Europe, and fall under the influence of Russia once more. A volatile military situation will develop was again, aided by Britain and America, because the arms industry is one of the last industries this island has left…
Feel free to tell us how you intend to defeat Russia.The only way to sort out Russia is by Mutually Assured Nuclear Destruction.Do you want to end the world for Eastern Europe.If so what’s changed between now and when Churchill and Roosevelt decided to cut them loose to prevent WW3.
Strange how the Federalists preach peace in Europe but then want to kick off WW3 with Russia.When they should be negotiating with Russia to de militarise the East Euro buffer states.
You not only selectively quoted my post, you also miss interpreted it. Deliberately, to peddle your Russel Brand copied big word arguments. Yawn.
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
Evil8Beezle:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
How can you quote living standards from times gone by? They are simply not relevant…
As for not getting it, we have a far better chance of dictating to our lying scum politicians if we only have them to deal with, and not the ones in Brussels as well!
Why 1748 not 1960-1972.Oh wait stronger unions,higher employment,higher economic growth,trade surplus with Europe,the pound worth more and democratic control over our own government.As opposed to today.
Ahh, and what happenedafter 1972? What happened to your unionised car industry? Your unionised bus industry? Your unionised train industry? Your unionised local authorities? Your unionised coal industry? Your unionised steel industry?
albion:
the nodding donkey:
Sorry evil, but you don’t get it. If you had a government that had the best interests of the people of this island at heart, yes, I would agree with you. But you government has only it’s own interests at heart. And will return the working people of this country to what it was like then. And let’s not bulls hit each other. What was the standard of living of the man in the street like in 1830? Or 1926? Or 1748?
But that’s illogical. Working conditions improved immeasurably since even the latest of those dates, 1926. And before we joined the EU. The UK has better holiday allowance, far better maternity leave an d pay, IIRC the instigator for a NMW, those aren’t going to just disappear.
And who instigated those improvements, and who endeavours to uphold them? David Cameron? Maggi Thatcher? Tony Bliar?