The end of rh freight

Just to put things into Perspective, here in Bulgaria the wages are as follows:

LGV Drivers Local i.e in Bulgaria and not crossing borders £15, International Work i.e crossing borders £25

Factory work £4.50

Shop Worker £2.18

Electrician £10

Note that an LGV Driver is the highest paid job probably because theres a shortage

Do you think thats a good wage? Moreso when I’ve quoted it by the 8hr DAY not the Hour !!!

Yes Eastern Europe is cheaper to buy things for us, but when your on this sort of wage is it any wonder Johnny Foriegner cooks out the side of his trailer? Diesel here regardless of the grade is currently 2.50 BGN thats roughly £1.11 per Litre and in my experience Bulgaria is cheaper than Belgium Germany France and Austria and yes the locals are concerned about the current Libya crisis.

Go back to the wages listed above and you’ll realise that the grass isn’t greener over here for the locals and they maybe doing work cheaper in international work, but the taxes they pay are higher than in the UK i.e Employers tax and national insurance, yep the UK aint the only country with NI charges.

Until such a time as wages are the same throughout the EU things will never change, but in the meantime, the locals from our village will always flock to Kent to pick strawberries in the spring because 3 months in the UK on minimum wage is better than 8 months in a factory over here :wink:

Carryfast:
But the ironic thing is if a Brit owner driver,who could afford to live on the minimum wage,or less,(because a truck would still earn a lot more than the same capital left in the bank earns) the old rate cutting bs starts flying around.So it’s a case of double standards in the case of a big fleet employer,using cheap foreign labour,versus a Brit owner driver beating the zb’s at their own game.

With out any respect, instead of waffling on here about competing with the Eastern Europeans, why do you not break into your piggy bank and go and prove it, we will welcome you back in 3 months when you are on the bones of your arse with a broken double drive lorry with a leaky Euro One engine.

Harry has put the Kepstowe point forward well, and a twice a week shunt to Calais wasn’t as interesting as tipping in Dresden and loading Magdeburg for Holland. But it paid the same money!

I used to work on the continent, my UK lorry was able to do the job cheaper than the lorries of the countries I visited, I bought my fuel in the cheapest country and I never gave a toss about how it affected anyone else, no matter what their nationality, it paid my mortgage and bought my beer, that’s all I cared about, if I was still doing that now how many people would be getting upset about it and jumping in to defend the poor foreigners :question: :bulb:

I used to work for some major freight forwarders, K&N being one of them, they’re only doing what they’ve always done, when it put money in my pocket I never questioned it, I won’t question it now because if it’s good for the Goose, then it’s good for the Gander :wink:

Talking of Uni graduates, you could blame them for turning us into a commodity, cutting things down to the bone and always taking the cheapest option in the pursuit of making the highest profit possible, but that’s the nature of business, people have been doing it for years, some of the biggest penny pinchers/successful businessmen have been uneducated, in our industry especially :bulb:

Carryfast, you’re ideas of global ■■■■■■■■■■ are part of the ‘perceived’ problem, but that’s the better of the two possibities, we either have your way, where we all do what we can, the law of the jungle applies and only the fit survive, or we have communism :open_mouth: Mind you I think communism would suit Carryfast, the former commie countries loved a 6x4 :laughing:

newmercman:
I used to work on the continent, my UK lorry was able to do the job cheaper than the lorries of the countries I visited, I bought my fuel in the cheapest country and I never gave a toss about how it affected anyone else, no matter what their nationality, it paid my mortgage and bought my beer, that’s all I cared about, if I was still doing that now how many people would be getting upset about it and jumping in to defend the poor foreigners :question: :bulb:

I used to work for some major freight forwarders, K&N being one of them, they’re only doing what they’ve always done, when it put money in my pocket I never questioned it, I won’t question it now because if it’s good for the Goose, then it’s good for the Gander :wink:

Talking of Uni graduates, you could blame them for turning us into a commodity, cutting things down to the bone and always taking the cheapest option in the pursuit of making the highest profit possible, but that’s the nature of business, people have been doing it for years, some of the biggest penny pinchers/successful businessmen have been uneducated, in our industry especially :bulb:

Carryfast, you’re ideas of global ■■■■■■■■■■ are part of the ‘perceived’ problem, but that’s the better of the two possibities, we either have your way, where we all do what we can, the law of the jungle applies and only the fit survive, or we have communism :open_mouth: Mind you I think communism would suit Carryfast, the former commie countries loved a 6x4 :laughing:

My ideas are more 1960’s America certainly not communism.What we need to do is to look after our own interests not helping to make other countries richer at our expense.I can’t see as the US government would have handed their economy to the Chinese and there were’nt many bleeding heart US uni students calling for a massive US foreign aid budget and development of less rich Asian and East European states to help every foreign no hoper and their dog get richer while their own workers get put on the dole or have to compete with workers on third world wages. :imp:

And don’t get me started on fuel prices in the US then versus here now and surely a KW with a big Detroit in it is the reality and sound of freedom and capitalism not China. :wink:

But you’re right about the law of the jungle applies but what I’m saying is that it’s right to try to trade in the national interest and as Germany showed to have a strong economy you need a strong domestic industrial base and home market,for home produced goods,made in a high wage economy relative to prices.But what we’ve got with the global free market is the opposite to that.It’s that issue of wages versus prices that will probably make the present German recovery unsustainable in the longer term,being that it’s based on relatively low wages in order to export to relatively underdeveloped economies rather than selling big Mercs and BMW’s etc on the home market to domestic workers.

The main issue with uni students is that too many of them are on a guilt trip about being lucky enough to be living in a developed western economy and want to give away that advantage to other countries less fortunate.Not surprising being that many of those students originate from those countries.Although having said that they are’nt so keen when it comes to paying for that by higher income taxes on their future potential earnings,assuming they can find a high paid office job not being done by Indians in foreign based offices.

But the trading conditions are’nt anything like when it was just the UK competing with other developed EU states in that we’ve now got east european competition,with far less wage expectations,far different to the difference between what you were earning compared to your competitors,when you beat them for the work.The conclusion of all that is probably why there’s not many western european trucks,driven by western european drivers,doing international/euro import export work now.They are more likely to be found driving the local dustcart. :open_mouth:

What about NAFTA then Carryfast, millions of jobs went south of the border after that, Mexico is not far removed from a third world country, most of the goods in US stores are made in Mexico or China :unamused:

Soon, as you say and think, that will bite them on the arse, nobody in the USA will be working so can’t afford the imported goods, but by that time the Chinese and mexicans will have their own Middle Class and they’ll buy the stuff and the worldwide economy continues, the rich will carry on being rich while the rest of us do what we can to survive :cry:

newmercman:
What about NAFTA then Carryfast, millions of jobs went south of the border after that, Mexico is not far removed from a third world country, most of the goods in US stores are made in Mexico or China :unamused:

Soon, as you say and think, that will bite them on the arse, nobody in the USA will be working so can’t afford the imported goods, but by that time the Chinese and mexicans will have their own Middle Class and they’ll buy the stuff and the worldwide economy continues, the rich will carry on being rich while the rest of us do what we can to survive :cry:

Not exactly the mid to late 1960’s America that those who died in Vietnam would remember or recognise if they’d have lived to see it and they’d be turning in their graves if they knew. :frowning:

But somehow I reckon that there’s an ironic flaw in that idea of western technology and production know how and jobs being lost (given away) to those countries that would have been (rightly) viewed as no hopers back then and in which the old order of strong,advanced,western economies gets reversed so that we become the new third world. :open_mouth:

The surprising bit is how the yanks don’t see any threat in all this to their strategic defence interests assuming that they have to cut their defence budget in line with the contraction in their GDP and therefore tax take in their economy.

FH16Globetrotter:

hammer:
With respect, I can’t believe you are not fishing with the bit I’ve underlined? Our diesel is 20/30/40ppl more than many European countries. They DO NOT run on the same fuel and therefore pay no UK tax upon that fuel.

With respect, how many UK hauliers trucks on international work do the trip on UK fuel? That’s right, virtually ZERO! They all run on fumes (most likely left over from their last continental job!) until they get across the channel, and promptly fill their 1500 litre tanks to the brim with the continents finest cheap diesel, and then do the same on the way back! But of course, it’s perfectly accpetable for a UK haulier to do that with the Union Jack draped over his shoulders - but if Johnny Foreigner does the same thing suddenly he has an unfair advantage? :smiley: :open_mouth:

Your point is fair enough but I would contend that there are far more foreign vehicles plying their trade in the UK than the other way around. The Bulgarian/Polish haulier does have a significant advantage in that they are on about ten quid a day rather than ten quid an hour

hammer:
They also don’t pay any road tax or contribute to the UK economy in terms of corporation tax, drivers PAYE and NI contributions or provide custom to our garages and mechanics.

hammer:
UK drivers need more money to simply live.

As far as I am aware, there is no law which forces anyone to seek employment as a truck driver. If any driver cannot afford to live on the level of wages which the market has decided is what the job warrants, he is free to seek employment elsewhere.
Cos theres loads of other jobs out there for people to do isn’t there?

Carryfast:
From what I’ve seen of the newer generations they are just a load of brainwashed pc robots who’ve swallowed all the bs that the government and pc lot have told them about being a nation of university qualified office workers and that we are a greedy western economy who should be only too pleased to hand over any wealth we’ve earnt to those poor developing countries etc etc.
They are going to get a shock when they suddenly find themselves living in a third world country and find all those poorer countries,who they were so keen on helping,won’t be as keen to help them.

Totally agree… probably one of the best comments I’ve seen on here.

end of RH
foreign owners sell English company
to another foreign owner
doh
the end WAS nigh :unamused:

hitch:
end of RH
foreign owners sell English company
to another foreign owner
doh
the end WAS nigh :unamused:

I believe the Baxter clan that owned RH before the sale were English.

49er:

FH16Globetrotter:
Again, you are letting your arse do the talking. I have never inherited anything as of yet. I bought the assets of a failing haulage firm, started it again from scratch with a new company and o’licence, and grew the business from there. I knew sweet F.A about haulage when I started, but started from scratch and struggled in the beginning just like everyone else! And whilst the haulage firm may not take up the majority of my time, it does in fact make more money than my IT company currently, and if it wasn’t providing a decent return would have been gone long ago!

Take my hat off to you good sir!!

in your defence fh its not the operaters fought its drivers that work for peanuts with the excuse the works easy or i have a new motor then moan about how crap the money is i work for money if the job didnt pay enough i wouldnt do it its certain drivers fought for working for it the sooner drivers stop working for crap money the poor payers will have to put there wages up or not get drivers from what you posted on your wages not the best for my area but good for yours a lot of people forget that cornish wages are even worse some brum hauliers dont pay much better so some people need to reseach before they start arguing the toss oh but most drivers bullsht about what they earn ive always told others what i earn and its more than some get for 5 nites out when i only do 1 or 2 a week :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

dreva:

49er:

FH16Globetrotter:
Again, you are letting your arse do the talking. I have never inherited anything as of yet. I bought the assets of a failing haulage firm, started it again from scratch with a new company and o’licence, and grew the business from there. I knew sweet F.A about haulage when I started, but started from scratch and struggled in the beginning just like everyone else! And whilst the haulage firm may not take up the majority of my time, it does in fact make more money than my IT company currently, and if it wasn’t providing a decent return would have been gone long ago!

Take my hat off to you good sir!!

in your defence fh its not the operaters fought its drivers that work for peanuts with the excuse the works easy or i have a new motor then moan about how crap the money is i work for money if the job didnt pay enough i wouldnt do it its certain drivers fought for working for it the sooner drivers stop working for crap money the poor payers will have to put there wages up or not get drivers from what you posted on your wages not the best for my area but good for yours a lot of people forget that cornish wages are even worse some brum hauliers dont pay much better so some people need to reseach before they start arguing the toss oh but most drivers bullsht about what they earn ive always told others what i earn and its more than some get for 5 nites out when i only do 1 or 2 a week :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

You don’t seem to realise that it’s an employers’ labour market and has been since the late 1970’s and try saying that if the job does’nt pay enough I won’t do it to the job centre when you’ve been on the dole for a while.
But most of the lot who shout about only working if the price is right would be the first ones to ditch a local multi drop job paying £8 per hour for a long distance/trunking job paying £7 or even less.That’s if they’ve got any sense.

ive always worked never been on the dole and the human rights act is a wonderfull thing id advise you all read it there is some crap in it but theres some good stuff in it too like the dutch security guard who refused to work for less then he was earning he won it was classed as slave labour :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: world gone mad yes but if you know your rights there no hassle for you so the working for peanuts mate dont wash with me you dont like the job leave go elsewareinstead of bleating :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Maybe you should all be concerned with the future of the whole industry , not arguing about where drivers come from .this thread was about the sale of RH Freight to K&N , it went straight into an argument about the LT subbies they took on a few years ago and then about eastern europe in general.
Eastern european companies in the last few years have had harder knocks than any of us, they had their boom when first invited to join up ,and were pursueded to get into our markets by the EU and truck manufacturers who gave them fleets of trucks with no payments for two or three years and then low interest reypayments , when the payments kicked in they started to wake up to the facts that their was no profit from the work they had been given by the large organisations,Shipping lines, large forwarders.
Alot went bust , fleets of trucks sat all over the east, drivers unemployed or forced to work for bandits etc.
Drivers were able for the first time take credit for a car ,apartment, new Kitchen etc,they never had the oppertunity before and were suckered into loans etc , Citi bank in hungary one the worst for givin it out to anybody and not explaining the conditions.All went bad the bankers cried for a day or two then got back to bonus payments ,hookers and champagne!
RH shut down its full load operation about 18 months ago sent home maybe 50 subbies sold alot of the trailer fleet .They still offered the service by selling the loads to the hundreds of empty operators available.They developed and put all their efforts into the groupage and scandinavian markets which obviously has paid of by the fact they have been profitable and succesfull in the industry.The offer from K&N must have been good or they can see the future is not so bright and have taken the money to do other things .
The former drivers on here have commented and have respect for RH (even after the loss of continental runs to lt boys) . Hope the Baxters get on or even come back to the industrty soon.

44 Tonne Ton:

stuh:
why the good riddance?

I worked for RH for 8 good years, excellent family run company.

They went down the foreign driver route, wasn’t popular decision at the time but with hindsight now probably saved the company.

I’m so happy for them. Saved the company for who exactly?

Your gaffer will look after himself first before his employee’s, dont believe anything different.

dreva:
ive always worked never been on the dole and the human rights act is a wonderfull thing id advise you all read it there is some crap in it but theres some good stuff in it too like the dutch security guard who refused to work for less then he was earning he won it was classed as slave labour :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: world gone mad yes but if you know your rights there no hassle for you so the working for peanuts mate dont wash with me you dont like the job leave go elsewareinstead of bleating :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

If that bs was right then the government would have been taken to the european court years ago on the basis that the minimum wage is slave labour.

So you’ve always worked and never been on the dole but there’s plenty of others who are’nt going to be that lucky and there’s always a first time and turning down a job on the basis that the minium wage is slave labour (or that the jobs on offer are mostly zb) won’t cut it as an excuse when they terminate benifits. :open_mouth:

But I’ve got nothing to bleat about because I’m not working,I don’t need a job,and I’ve got enough in the bank to not need to claim any benefits thanks. :smiley: :laughing:

toureg123:
Maybe you should all be concerned with the future of the whole industry , not arguing about where drivers come from .this thread was about the sale of RH Freight to K&N , it went straight into an argument about the LT subbies they took on a few years ago and then about eastern europe in general.
Eastern european companies in the last few years have had harder knocks than any of us, they had their boom when first invited to join up ,and were pursueded to get into our markets by the EU

Sounds like a re writing of history to me.

The east europeans actually wanted to join the eu for what was in it for them in the form of handouts paid for by the developed western european economies.But it was Britain that was the most supportive for the obvious reasons of cheap labour potential for the big employers and wherever there’s a potential for cheap labour you can bet that the British government will be only too pleased to sell the country down the river.

Carryfast:

dreva:
ive always worked never been on the dole and the human rights act is a wonderfull thing id advise you all read it there is some crap in it but theres some good stuff in it too like the dutch security guard who refused to work for less then he was earning he won it was classed as slave labour :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: world gone mad yes but if you know your rights there no hassle for you so the working for peanuts mate dont wash with me you dont like the job leave go elsewareinstead of bleating :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

If that bs was right then the government would have been taken to the european court years ago on the basis that the minimum wage is slave labour.

So you’ve always worked and never been on the dole but there’s plenty of others who are’nt going to be that lucky and there’s always a first time and turning down a job on the basis that the minium wage is slave labour (or that the jobs on offer are mostly zb) won’t cut it as an excuse when they terminate benifits. :open_mouth:

But I’ve got nothing to bleat about because I’m not working,I don’t need a job,and I’ve got enough in the bank to not need to claim any benefits thanks. :smiley: :laughing:

google it mate you heard about the sat bit with the landlady in pompey you dont know till you try if you have plenty of cash why you moaning about :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

dreva:
you heard about the sat bit with the landlady in pompey you dont know till you try if you have plenty of cash why you moaning about :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

WTF has a landlady going to the European court of Justice got to do with Human Rights■■?

Her case is based simply on the fact they are allowed to sell Belgium and German Beer, French Wines and Greek Cheeses etc but not allowed to watch Greek Television that she pays for.

Its got nothing to do with low wages or slave labour

dreva:

Carryfast:

dreva:
ive always worked never been on the dole and the human rights act is a wonderfull thing id advise you all read it there is some crap in it but theres some good stuff in it too like the dutch security guard who refused to work for less then he was earning he won it was classed as slave labour :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: world gone mad yes but if you know your rights there no hassle for you so the working for peanuts mate dont wash with me you dont like the job leave go elsewareinstead of bleating :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

If that bs was right then the government would have been taken to the european court years ago on the basis that the minimum wage is slave labour.

So you’ve always worked and never been on the dole but there’s plenty of others who are’nt going to be that lucky and there’s always a first time and turning down a job on the basis that the minium wage is slave labour (or that the jobs on offer are mostly zb) won’t cut it as an excuse when they terminate benifits. :open_mouth:

But I’ve got nothing to bleat about because I’m not working,I don’t need a job,and I’ve got enough in the bank to not need to claim any benefits thanks. :smiley: :laughing:

if you have plenty of cash why you moaning about :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Because when the economy sinks it’ll take everyone down with it except those with a lot more than I’ve got who’ll probably zb off to Switzerland and live on the money that they’ve invested in China. :imp: