With every Nat Min wage increase…
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Kin el
Doesn’t bode well
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Cheer up as soon were all.be getting a pay rise. When we’re on minimum wage government will give us one .
To be honest although it was probably good for a small minority of workers who were being exploited, prior to its introduction, I think in general the minimum wage isn’t a good thing for most workers as rather than push their wages up, every time it’s increased, it actually just ■■■■■ more jobs that were better paid into the minimum or close to minimum wage category.
Still much depends on area. I could sell my (not over the top) house and buy a five bed in the Stoke area.
Looking at anywhere between £11-£15 an hour by me for class one.
toonsy:
Still much depends on area. I could sell my (not over the top) house and buy a five bed in the Stoke area.Looking at anywhere between £11-£15 an hour by me for class one.
Don’t think it’s that tbh,it’s just that certain companies have stagnated wages giving no or very little pay rises over the last 10 years to Hgv drivers,place I worked here paid £13 ph doing days no nights out,it’s ridiculous to think any companies now see anything under £10ph for hgv driving as acceptable giving the responsibility and risk it carries,not forgetting the cost to gain licences.
And granted here in stoke there are certain areas where a 5 bed house could be had for around 180 - 200k but it’s whther you’d want to live in that particular area of the city…most don’t,in the better areas a 5 bed detached would set you back at least 300K upwards.
From Gilbraith being the highest paid job to the lowest
Pollocks are notorious for paying ■■■■ poor wages.
The boss came on here a few years back spitting his dummy out because he didn’t like hearing home truths. 
Wheel Nut:
From Gilbraith being the highest paid job to the lowest
I think you must be talking about Gilbraith Tankers Wheelnut, originally Jacks Motors and finally sold to Hargreaves, same family different company. It was Gilbraith Transtore which Pollock bought, having originally been P&G Fogarty, they paid average at best.
acd1202:
Wheel Nut:
From Gilbraith being the highest paid job to the lowestI think you must be talking about Gilbraith Tankers Wheelnut, originally Jacks Motors and finally sold to Hargreaves, same family different company. It was Gilbraith Transtore which Pollock bought, having originally been P&G Fogarty, they paid average at best.
I presumed with it being a tanker job, is it Balls?
Shopping at my local Aldi yesterday,an advert on their wall seeking job applicants claimed they pay £8.85/hour at entry level.
Own Account Driver:
To be honest although it was probably good for a small minority of workers who were being exploited, prior to its introduction, I think in general the minimum wage isn’t a good thing for most workers as rather than push their wages up, every time it’s increased, it actually just ■■■■■ more jobs that were better paid into the minimum or close to minimum wage category.
Tbh I think this discussion has been had before, but I never understand the logic of why people think putting wages up, reduces their own?
I mean, if the bosses could get workers at less than they currently do, why aren’t they already? If you wouldn’t take a pay cut and work for £2 above minimum wage before, why would you take a pay cut and work for £1 above a minimum wage that has been raised by £1?
Moreover, if work in widely-skilled jobs become (on account of minimum wages) better paid and comparable to jobs that involve specialist skills, why would that lead to the specialist-skilled jobs becoming lower paid? When it gives those specialist workers more opportunity to just walk out and get a job at comparable pay in a different industry, requiring no special skill?
I’ve just remembered that when we last discussed this issue here, someone (or possibly me, inspired by what others had said), conceived that maybe an increase in minimum wage acts as a signal for bosses to coordinate an attack on the wages of those who are paid above minimum wage but non-unionised, because if all bosses in a particular sector attack wages at once (and they may be encouraged to do so, to redistribute the existing wage bill between workers rather than increase the wage bill and pass the cost downstream to clients or end-consumers), the worker can’t just leave for a better paid job in the same sector (and thus bosses do not experience churn as a result of each of their attacks).
But even this analysis still requires that workers were basically being paid more than they deserved based on their expectations and underlying bargaining power (perhaps because there was a hangover of high wages from unionisation or worker shortages in the past, and any single employer who tried to assault the previously-established rate expected to suffer too much disruption, poaching, and bad will by doing so, but not when they all attack the entire workforce of the sector at once).
Either way, with Labour promising a £10 an hour minimum wage, there will be a lot of wagon drivers getting a legally-mandated pay rise. And that’s before considering the steps they may take to improve collective bargaining.
Can I just point out that there is a difference between the National Minimum Wage, and the National Living Wage.
Let me define it as this…
The National Minimum Wage (NMW) is the minimum pay per hour most workers under the age of 25 are entitled to by law. £7.38 per hour
Me: This for people up to the age of 24 and 7/8. You are living at home, your parents pay the bills, rent, mortgage, phone, etc. Or maybe you´re just …under 25. This is beer vouchers.
The government’s National Living Wage (NLW) is the minimum pay per hour most workers aged 25 and over are entitled to by law. £7.83 per hour
Me: You pay for everything, everything, I tells ya!
But you get an extra 16 quid a week though, so all is good 
I have the opportunity of asking an employment lawyer their opinion whenever I want, so I get some great insights into the working of the law in these cases.
Basically, we´re f ■■■■■■ ed.
xichrisxi:
toonsy:
Still much depends on area. I could sell my (not over the top) house and buy a five bed in the Stoke area.Looking at anywhere between £11-£15 an hour by me for class one.
Don’t think it’s that tbh,it’s just that certain companies have stagnated wages giving no or very little pay rises over the last 10 years to Hgv drivers,place I worked here paid £13 ph doing days no nights out,it’s ridiculous to think any companies now see anything under £10ph for hgv driving as acceptable giving the responsibility and risk it carries,not forgetting the cost to gain licences.
And granted here in stoke there are certain areas where a 5 bed house could be had for around 180 - 200k but it’s whther you’d want to live in that particular area of the city…most don’t,in the better areas a 5 bed detached would set you back at least 300K upwards.
Exactly. My three bed, or a few of the neighbours ones I should say, have sold recently for nigh on 300k which is mental.
The reason for this I lay at the West Coast Mainline. Before the upgrades it was just a regular town but now suddenly it’s 50 minutes to London Euston and 20 minutes to Birmingham New Street and has become a commuter hub. It’s since then that prove a have rocketed and new build housing estates have cropped up everywhere.
Add in that the M6, M1 and A14 all meet here meaning there’s dozens and dozens of warehouses and associated driving jobs means that wages have to be competitive to keep things moving, because if one place aren’t willing to there is another place around the corner that will pay…
Rjan:
Own Account Driver:
To be honest although it was probably good for a small minority of workers who were being exploited, prior to its introduction, I think in general the minimum wage isn’t a good thing for most workers as rather than push their wages up, every time it’s increased, it actually just ■■■■■ more jobs that were better paid into the minimum or close to minimum wage category.Tbh I think this discussion has been had before, but I never understand the logic of why people think putting wages up, reduces their own?
I mean, if the bosses could get workers at less than they currently do, why aren’t they already? If you wouldn’t take a pay cut and work for £2 above minimum wage before, why would you take a pay cut and work for £1 above a minimum wage that has been raised by £1?
Moreover, if work in widely-skilled jobs become (on account of minimum wages) better paid and comparable to jobs that involve specialist skills, why would that lead to the specialist-skilled jobs becoming lower paid? When it gives those specialist workers more opportunity to just walk out and get a job at comparable pay in a different industry, requiring no special skill?
I’ve just remembered that when we last discussed this issue here, someone (or possibly me, inspired by what others had said), conceived that maybe an increase in minimum wage acts as a signal for bosses to coordinate an attack on the wages of those who are paid above minimum wage but non-unionised, because if all bosses in a particular sector attack wages at once (and they may be encouraged to do so, to redistribute the existing wage bill between workers rather than increase the wage bill and pass the cost downstream to clients or end-consumers), the worker can’t just leave for a better paid job in the same sector (and thus bosses do not experience churn as a result of each of their attacks).
But even this analysis still requires that workers were basically being paid more than they deserved based on their expectations and underlying bargaining power (perhaps because there was a hangover of high wages from unionisation or worker shortages in the past, and any single employer who tried to assault the previously-established rate expected to suffer too much disruption, poaching, and bad will by doing so, but not when they all attack the entire workforce of the sector at once).
Either way, with Labour promising a £10 an hour minimum wage, there will be a lot of wagon drivers getting a legally-mandated pay rise. And that’s before considering the steps they may take to improve collective bargaining.
One of the worst posts ive ever read on here. Terrible
SuperMultiBlue:
Rjan:
Own Account Driver:
To be honest although it was probably good for a small minority of workers who were being exploited, prior to its introduction, I think in general the minimum wage isn’t a good thing for most workers as rather than push their wages up, every time it’s increased, it actually just ■■■■■ more jobs that were better paid into the minimum or close to minimum wage category.Tbh I think this discussion has been had before, but I never understand the logic of why people think putting wages up, reduces their own?
I mean, if the bosses could get workers at less than they currently do, why aren’t they already? If you wouldn’t take a pay cut and work for £2 above minimum wage before, why would you take a pay cut and work for £1 above a minimum wage that has been raised by £1?
Moreover, if work in widely-skilled jobs become (on account of minimum wages) better paid and comparable to jobs that involve specialist skills, why would that lead to the specialist-skilled jobs becoming lower paid? When it gives those specialist workers more opportunity to just walk out and get a job at comparable pay in a different industry, requiring no special skill?
I’ve just remembered that when we last discussed this issue here, someone (or possibly me, inspired by what others had said), conceived that maybe an increase in minimum wage acts as a signal for bosses to coordinate an attack on the wages of those who are paid above minimum wage but non-unionised, because if all bosses in a particular sector attack wages at once (and they may be encouraged to do so, to redistribute the existing wage bill between workers rather than increase the wage bill and pass the cost downstream to clients or end-consumers), the worker can’t just leave for a better paid job in the same sector (and thus bosses do not experience churn as a result of each of their attacks).
But even this analysis still requires that workers were basically being paid more than they deserved based on their expectations and underlying bargaining power (perhaps because there was a hangover of high wages from unionisation or worker shortages in the past, and any single employer who tried to assault the previously-established rate expected to suffer too much disruption, poaching, and bad will by doing so, but not when they all attack the entire workforce of the sector at once).
Either way, with Labour promising a £10 an hour minimum wage, there will be a lot of wagon drivers getting a legally-mandated pay rise. And that’s before considering the steps they may take to improve collective bargaining.
One of the worst posts ive ever read on here. Terrible
Would you care to elaborate? Is it the content, points made or writing style. If you find it so bad what does good look like?
SuperMultiBlue:
Rjan:
[…]One of the worst posts ive ever read on here. Terrible
Plenty more where that came from!
Ten years ago I was earning £8.55 an hour for days.
toonsy:
xichrisxi:
toonsy:
Still much depends on area. I could sell my (not over the top) house and buy a five bed in the Stoke area.Looking at anywhere between £11-£15 an hour by me for class one.
Don’t think it’s that tbh,it’s just that certain companies have stagnated wages giving no or very little pay rises over the last 10 years to Hgv drivers,place I worked here paid £13 ph doing days no nights out,it’s ridiculous to think any companies now see anything under £10ph for hgv driving as acceptable giving the responsibility and risk it carries,not forgetting the cost to gain licences.
And granted here in stoke there are certain areas where a 5 bed house could be had for around 180 - 200k but it’s whther you’d want to live in that particular area of the city…most don’t,in the better areas a 5 bed detached would set you back at least 300K upwards.Exactly. My three bed, or a few of the neighbours ones I should say, have sold recently for nigh on 300k which is mental.
The reason for this I lay at the West Coast Mainline. Before the upgrades it was just a regular town but now suddenly it’s 50 minutes to London Euston and 20 minutes to Birmingham New Street and has become a commuter hub. It’s since then that prove a have rocketed and new build housing estates have cropped up everywhere.
Add in that the M6, M1 and A14 all meet here meaning there’s dozens and dozens of warehouses and associated driving jobs means that wages have to be competitive to keep things moving, because if one place aren’t willing to there is another place around the corner that will pay…
Rugby then.
TomCrin:
toonsy:
xichrisxi:
toonsy:
Still much depends on area. I could sell my (not over the top) house and buy a five bed in the Stoke area.Looking at anywhere between £11-£15 an hour by me for class one.
Don’t think it’s that tbh,it’s just that certain companies have stagnated wages giving no or very little pay rises over the last 10 years to Hgv drivers,place I worked here paid £13 ph doing days no nights out,it’s ridiculous to think any companies now see anything under £10ph for hgv driving as acceptable giving the responsibility and risk it carries,not forgetting the cost to gain licences.
And granted here in stoke there are certain areas where a 5 bed house could be had for around 180 - 200k but it’s whther you’d want to live in that particular area of the city…most don’t,in the better areas a 5 bed detached would set you back at least 300K upwards.Exactly. My three bed, or a few of the neighbours ones I should say, have sold recently for nigh on 300k which is mental.
The reason for this I lay at the West Coast Mainline. Before the upgrades it was just a regular town but now suddenly it’s 50 minutes to London Euston and 20 minutes to Birmingham New Street and has become a commuter hub. It’s since then that prove a have rocketed and new build housing estates have cropped up everywhere.
Add in that the M6, M1 and A14 all meet here meaning there’s dozens and dozens of warehouses and associated driving jobs means that wages have to be competitive to keep things moving, because if one place aren’t willing to there is another place around the corner that will pay…
Rugby then.
Yep.